Merged Their Return

[dlorde]

Yes - I added the link an above edit. Looks like same one as you - Wally Wallington is the mans name. This vid is all I know of him. I ASSUME its true - ie stone not polystyrene - pretty lazy eh?

Wally has a web site and you can order a DVD of his techniques (it's pretty amateurishly produced, but fascinating). It's real enough, and shows that one carpenter in a few decades can devise techniques to move large structures and monoliths around without pulleys, etc. It's not surprising that early civilizations could do as well, or better, given hundreds of years of practical experience and expertise.

I'm extremely skeptical of anything other than people and hard work being responsible.

Me too. Red sandstone is relatively soft and andesite is tough but not impossible to work.

 

[dafydd]

How is it my fault, that your standard of evidence excludes EVERY piece of data presented to you?

Your stories are not data. And I am not disposed to believe some one who thinks that manta drops from heaven. Is that what killed Steve Irwin?

 

[King of the Americas]

Your stories are not data. And I am not disposed to believe some one who thinks that manta drops from heaven. Is that what killed Steve Irwin?

Yup.

"Manna" from heaven stuck him in his chest...

EVERYTHING is data. Some is good data, some is bad, or otherwise inaccurate data.

Your stance demands that your exclude every piece of 'data' from every source...regardless of their knowledge, experience, or background.

 

[King of the Americas]

Priceless.

That came from the fiance... I thought it was 'mana'.

 

[King of the Americas]

This is the root of the problem.

You have a tendency to accept things told to you or read by you at face value with little critical analysis, and then argue the point here as though the story you've heard or read is "true fact".

You then accuse anyone who disagrees with your "facts" as being ignorant.

I tend to 'first' go with what I'm told.

But I have no problem researching for a truth of the matter.

 

[dafydd]

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[dafydd]

Yup.

"Manna" from heaven stuck him in his chest...

EVERYTHING is data. Some is good data, some is bad, or otherwise inaccurate data.

Your stance demands that your exclude every piece of 'data' from every source...regardless of their knowledge, experience, or background.

I have a tribe of leprechauns in my garden. I never see them,only traces of their activity. Do you believe that they are there?

 

[dafydd]

The came from the fiance... I thought it was 'mana'.

So you've never read the bible.

 

[King of the Americas]

Yes - I added the link an above edit. Looks like same one as you - Wally Wallington is the mans name. This vid is all I know of him. I ASSUME its true - ie stone not polystyrene - pretty lazy eh?


The following is a quote from the Skeptoid Podcast about it, which is also referenced, and can be found here: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4202



Sounds like a hell of a task you have set yourself with the carving. Good stuff. The podcast is well worth a read/listen, if you havent already.
Thanks for the link KotA, promise I'll look, but I'm extremely skeptical of anything other than people and hard work being responsible.

I think that link was posted much earlier.

My plank still stands. They didn't address the evidence I've presented, or others like this: http://api.ning.com/files/gX3HeYgD8...BDlIfeLb156jEa3ZvcgVXA5/PumaPunku011Small.jpg

This cut wasn't made with a stone hammer and chisel. There would literally be no need to cut a square line in a stone. The ONLY tools we have found are copper and bronze alloys.

I use a carbide tipped chisel and diamond tipped bits.

What I find, is that there was an "advanced technology, now lost, at work there".

 

[King of the Americas]

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Me too. Red sandstone is relatively soft and andesite is tough but not impossible to work.

Cutting descending square corners into andesite with copper and bronze alloys is not possible...

Some other process was at work there.

 

[GeeMack]

And yesterday's gods dropped manta from heaven...

That said, another thought just occurred to me, what if they arrived UNINVITED...?

I mean that would make them a pretty rude guests don't you think?

What if they've just been waiting on our front stoop, for us to open the door.

I think we'd better find someway of inviting them down, before they come through an unopened door...

Waiting for an invitation? According to some nuts, they've been dropping in to visit for centuries.

 

[GeeMack]

I think that link was posted much earlier.

My plank still stands. They didn't address the evidence I've presented, or others like this: http://api.ning.com/files/gX3HeYgD8...BDlIfeLb156jEa3ZvcgVXA5/PumaPunku011Small.jpg

This cut wasn't made with a stone hammer and chisel. There would literally be no need to cut a square line in a stone. The ONLY tools we have found are copper and bronze alloys.

I use a carbide tipped chisel and diamond tipped bits.

What I find, is that there was an "advanced technology, now lost, at work there".

Your lack of qualification to speak with any authority on the issue of stone carving has been unequivocally demonstrated several times earlier in this thread.

 

[GeeMack]

I tend to 'first' go with what I'm told.

You've been told that ignorance and incredulity do not constitute valid evidence for the existence of aliens. Go with that.

 

[King of the Americas]

Not sure if you meant that the way it sounds, but people back then were no less intelligent than us.

Are you smarter than your Dad?

Are we smarter than slave holders?

Are we smarter than Homo Sapiens?

I'd like to think that we stand on the shoulders of giants, that our ancestors knowledge and intelligence is our to 'grow' upon.

Aren't we evolving into something 'better' each day?

Or do you propose we have always been the same STUCK in this stage?

 

[GeeMack]

Are we smarter than Homo Sapiens?

We are Homo sapiens.

Now where was that thread about mocking ridiculous arguments?

 

[King of the Americas]

Your lack of qualification to speak with any authority on the issue of stone carving has been unequivocally demonstrated several times earlier in this thread.

"MY" lack of authority...?

You MUST be kidding... I am the ONLY one here with any experience putting chisel to granite.

See, THIS is why you are on my ignore list.

 

[King of the Americas]

I have a tribe of leprechauns in my garden. I never see them,only traces of their activity. Do you believe that they are there?

Sure, if you'll concede the term "leprechauns" is flexible.

 

[King of the Americas]

So you've never read the bible.

In my head, I remembered "mana"...

I haven't read the whole bible, no.

I was raised Catholic.

 

[GeeMack]

Aren't we evolving into something 'better' each day?

We are evolving into something which can more successfully reproduce every time one of our offspring has a child which successfully reproduces... etc... etc. To learn more about evolution and possibly improve your understanding of the issue, go to Talk Origins.

 

[GeeMack]

"MY" lack of authority...?

You MUST be kidding... I am the ONLY one here with any experience putting chisel to granite.

See, THIS is why you are on my ignore list.

I have much experience working with various stone materials including granite, so your argument is another lie. I mentioned it earlier in the thread. Oddly it seems you're ignoring the people who actually know this stuff and could best help you understand your lack of qualification. That's why yours is an argument from ignorance.