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bruto said:
On the other hand, I have read that some of the characters in Beowulf were based on real people. By your own standards, this makes Beowulf history. And thus, by your standards, we can say that there's historical evidence that a large assemblage of mead drinkers could result in a visitation of monsters. Maybe those monsters were another manifestation of your saucer gods. If so, a big mead drinking party is not such a bad idea. I suppose it's heartless to use Uncle Frank as bait, but we all must sacrifice a little for progress and truth.
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So, I don't think building a big drinking hall, and have people party all night works, anymore.

Have you see a movie called "The Thirteenth Warrior"?
 
In the Spirit of Full Disclosure:

The father in law in question in an above posting, was NOT 'the' radar operator at Pearl Harbor. He was 'A' naval radar operator stationed in 'California'. He past away recently, and I confirmed through family that he was never stationed in Hawaii. It seems as though I have been the victim of "confabulation" too. :)
 
bruto said:
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But whether or not the moment skyward is a good idea, you have a serious problem. If your idea that many people must do this at once in a particular location is valid, then you lack the fundamental resources to make it happen. First you must persuade people that you're not just being silly. This seems so far to have been a difficult hurdle. Viewing this thread as a test run of your persuasive skills I don't think you should be making short term plans for your event. You have a lot of work ahead of you.
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I think the ONLY thing I need to do, is get enough people to sign a petition, or otherwise contact the Olympic Committee, and suggest we insert "a moment skyward" into the Opening Ceremonies.

I can't be held responsible for other people taking me or this idea in something than a less than serious manner.
 
King of the Americas said:
I think the ONLY thing I need to do, is get enough people to sign a petition, or otherwise contact the Olympic Committee, and suggest we insert "a moment skyward" into the Opening Ceremonies.

I can't be held responsible for other people taking me or this idea in something than a less than serious manner.
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If you want your idea to be implemented, you must take responsibility. If it has merit, it's your job to find a way to show it. Of course you can go on as you're doing, being utterly unable to convince even a single person that you're not laboring under a delusion and making an utterly absurd and silly proposal, but this will not get your idea implemented, will it? You can always say, as the delusional always do, "It's not my fault that nobody understands my brilliant ideas," but in fact it is. If you can't make a good idea clear and believable, the failing is yours. Blaming the world for not buying it is just shuck and jive.
 
King of the Americas said:
We've got:

-"a moment skyward"

-reverting back to the bronze age

-flaunting our whores

-ending civilization

-stack up a big pile of rocks

-build big ass runways or pictograms

Of these, I think the only ones with any credence would be the last two, given some who made huge piles of stone and the Nazca pictograms are 'gone'.

That said, I have no rocks, nor any large sectors of land on which to doodle.

So, given all that I think the "moment skyward", is the best most doable plan.

I am however, still open to any serious suggestions, that might coax our heavenly onlookers to descend once again.
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Don't forget about our butts, the ETs are apparently fascinated by our butts. They're always pokin' and probin' 'em.

Perhaps a "backsides skywards moment" might entice them to descend.
 
bruto said:
If you want your idea to be implemented, you must take responsibility. If it has merit, it's your job to find a way to show it. Of course you can go on as you're doing, being utterly unable to convince even a single person that you're not laboring under a delusion and making an utterly absurd and silly proposal, but this will not get your idea implemented, will it? You can always say, as the delusional always do, "It's not my fault that nobody understands my brilliant ideas," but in fact it is. If you can't make a good idea clear and believable, the failing is yours. Blaming the world for not buying it is just shuck and jive.
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How can 'I' take responsibility for how skeptics refuse to even accept the possibility that there's even someone TO descend?
 
King of the Americas said:
So you and Cuddles think changing a "6" to a "7", within the whole of a story, is a significant change...?
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In the context of a discussion about the reliability of the story, it certainly seems significant - and given the subsequent post suggesting it was from 5 to 6, we now have around 40% uncertainty in the number - was it 5, 6, or 7 ? For a number less than 10, this seems significantly unreliable :D
 
dlorde said:
In the context of a discussion about the reliability of the story, it certainly seems significant - and given the subsequent post suggesting it was from 5 to 6, we now have around 40% uncertainty in the number - was it 5, 6, or 7 ? For a number less than 10, this seems significantly unreliable :D
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It was "6"...

It was six.

It was VI.

It was 3+3.

It was 1+1+1+1+1+1

"6"

It was "6".
 
Psiload said:
Don't forget about our butts, the ETs are apparently fascinated by our butts. They're always pokin' and probin' 'em.

Perhaps a "backsides skywards moment" might entice them to descend.
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I wonder how the Olympic committee would like that idea?
It would at least be an unusual event in opening ceremonies, and likely to grab attention somewhere.

(I doubt if the message sent would be agreed to by all. "We welcome the probes of our elvish overlords")
 
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Hi KoTA. Just been watching the recent part of this thread, and its come to touch on something I've been wanting to talk about, but the "reasearch evidence" thread is not really suitable, imo. It just seems to be lots of yelling, and mayble slightly exclusive.
Its the anecdote part Im interested in (of solid type, or whatever, ufos). Im not of the Rramjet ilk, but I DO believe some of these reports(firsthand, uneditorialised, opinion free). Not spacemen ones, not abduction ones etc. Im a bit biased.
There is utterly no evidence, not what I'd call evidence anyway, and I reckon it all comes down believing, or not, a few unusual observations by some very reliable people. Some people lie, some are mistaken, some have no explanation. I personally like to keep them as ufo's - cool solid flying things, not identify them as spaceships or whatever - I reckon thats a bit of a leap.
I also observe here that the most reliable type sightings go ignored. And its (I feel) dissapointing to see some of the explanations offered by some. Though in fairness, more info needed is always pertinent.
Anyway, it comes down to just believing someone, unless you see something yourself, and I do believe some of these people. (Qualify; ufos are my pet topic ) :)
 
Jono74 said:
Hi KoTA. Just been watching the recent part of this thread, and its come to touch on something I've been wanting to talk about, but the "reasearch evidence" thread is not really suitable, imo. It just seems to be lots of yelling, and mayble slightly exclusive.
Its the anecdote part Im interested in (of solid type, or whatever, ufos). Im not of the Rramjet ilk, but I DO believe some of these reports(firsthand, uneditorialised, opinion free). Not spacemen ones, not abduction ones etc. Im a bit biased.
There is utterly no evidence, not what I'd call evidence anyway, and I reckon it all comes down believing, or not, a few unusual observations by some very reliable people. Some people lie, some are mistaken, some have no explanation. I personally like to keep them as ufo's - cool solid flying things, not identify them as spaceships or whatever - I reckon thats a bit of a leap.
I also observe here that the most reliable type sightings go ignored. And its (I feel) dissapointing to see some of the explanations offered by some. Though in fairness, more info needed is always pertinent.
Anyway, it comes down to just believing someone, unless you see something yourself, and I do believe some of these people. (Qualify; ufos are my pet topic ) :)
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Thank you for your retort.

Skeptics fight the fights they can win...

Personally, I don't like labeling 'them' either, which is why I go with not-so-descript: "technologically advanced non-humans that dwell in our heavens".
 
You're welcome :)

I dont agree with all your points, but definitely some.
I'd really like a good discussion, just not one that gets really nasty, which seems all too common. Easy to say, harder not to get drawn into though...
Im wary of being accused of trolling also.
I may have chosen the wrong thread also, as "something descending" type thing is something I've thought about not at all, since I was young, anyway.
 
Jono74 said:
You're welcome :)

I dont agree with all your points, but definitely some.
I'd really like a good discussion, just not one that gets really nasty, which seems all too common. Easy to say, harder not to get drawn into though...
Im wary of being accused of trolling also.
I may have chosen the wrong thread also, as "something descending" type thing is something I've thought about not at all, since I was young, anyway.
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Well, this thread was intended to discuss manners of getting 'them' to descend, but as you can tell it has covered other aspects of their existence.

Which of my points do you find disagreement with?
 
OK - I havent read the entire thread, so sorry in advance if I recover points etc. (Hey - its huge, and didnt really appeal to me, but I keep an eye on recent posts, and did the OP and first few pages.)
I disagree with what I perceive as the assumption that there is a "they, that has descended before". But I honestly dont know if you believe that, or are just arguing from there. Not to worry.
I think of the natives/explorers analogy. Natives find a log washed up that looks a bit like one of their canoes, but clearly not one of theirs. They assume its from the god people, and set about trying to get them to come to their islands. At this point, they dont even know for sure the god people exist or not. They pray, sacrifice, hold games, look at chicken entrails, sacrifice virgins etc. Clearly they are not having any luck.
One day a ships show up on the horizon, and not due to the natives' efforts. They natives had better hope that those ship people are friendly and have better ethics and value systems than perhaps their own.
Thats how I see it I guess.
Im more interested in strange things seen by reliable people.
 
King of the Americas said:
How can 'I' take responsibility for how skeptics refuse to even accept the possibility that there's even someone TO descend?
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Refusing to accept responsibility for your failure to convince is a rather common event in the unraveling of crackpots. Flat earthers and time-cubists and other possessors of perpetual motion, the secrets of the universe or the alphabet of the corn gods end up standing alone on their respective dungheaps cursing the blind and stupid for failing to get it.

Of course you might well be the only one in the world who holds the truth. Poor you if that's so. Quixotism has a certain romantic air, but more to the don than to those who get the joke. The fact remains that if you can't convince anyone of your viewpoint, you'll never get anywhere beyond where you are now. You can blame that failure on anyone or anything you want, but in the end it's yours to own.
 
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