The Truth Movement: Finally, Lost in Space

metamars said:
While I'm not claiming that JREF's 911 sub forum doesn't have any redeeming social value, I would say that serious skeptics would do well to also read the911forum.freeforums.org, as well as 911blogger.
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Yes, the911forum is where OneWhiteEye, femr2, Major_Tom, and countless* others develop their skills.

000063 said:
I agree. People should read the Truther forums to see how nutty they are. Such as this thread.
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I thought that was one of the less nutty threads I've read there.

[size=-2]*While I was reading the thread, their up-to-the-minute statistics said I was the only person visiting the site. The STATISTICS column on its home page says:

Topics per day: 0
Posts per day: 15
Users per day: 0
Topics per user: 4
Posts per user: 119
Posts per topic: 30

Total members 129
Our newest member Clayton Moore[/size]
 
000063 said:
W.D.Clinger said:
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I thought that was one of the less nutty threads I've read there.
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That thread is where they bring up scientific claims proven wrong just so they can reassure themselves science isn't reliable.
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Yes, but science isn't perfectly reliable. It just looks that way when compared to what you get without it...

...as demonstrated by some of that forum's other threads.

ETA: Or by some of this subforum's threads, for that matter.
 
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Telltale Tom said:
Mr Mackey,

I think that it is way to early to predict the demise of ae911truth and our CD theory. Certainly the killing of Bin Laden is a serious blow to the ae911truth movement. So is the discussion about releasing the photographs, because it explores the issue of rational debate and beliefs.

Certainly now is an uncomfortable time for us with too much sanity and respectful debate. As you know ae911truth thrives on doubt and suspicion. But all we need is a few succesful terrorist attacks, or even a natural disaster and we will get back to everyone blaming everyone else, particularly if we can blame the government.

Then we will get back to business. And then we can explore some serious issues like..
- a seals attack on George Bush's ranch
- evidence of collaboration and plotting with the Bush regime on Osama's computers. ( I am sure he must of kept some notes )
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Bad trolling. Trying too hard.
 
Oz1976 said:
I'm sorry, I started to read it, but in the very first paragraph...

"Is it so difficult to believe that the complex and highly successful military attack on US soil that was 911 (levelling three gigantic sky scrapers, blasting a hole into the Pentagon, and destroying four commercial jets and their passengers) was not orchestrated by a religious zealot from a cave in Afghanistan and executed by failed Cessna pilot trainees with box cutters? Or that those who measurably benefited in the trillions had nothing to do with it?"

...he lost all credibility. This "cave dweller" notion is ludicrous. OBL and Al'qaida had free reign in Afghanistan. To suggest they were living in caves borders racism IMO. The "boxcutter" argument is just as ridiculous, prior to 911 you were allowed to carry a 4 inch blade on flights. That coupled with the Cleveland Air Traffic recordings of "we have a bomb..." paints an entirely different picture.

I'm sorry, logic dictates to me, that a conspiracy that stretches throughout the Administration, the FAA, the Military, FEMA, et al...would have a whistleblower by now. Everything can't be faked without some papertrail or someone with a conscience. So many things happened that day, a conspiracy about each, yet I've never seen one coherent theory that encompassed all the days events from the "Truth Movement".

I'm sure that would serve as "something new" for the movement. It's never done this.
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The chest thumping about the small knives that is a common mantra amongst truthers destroys me. A knife does not have to be a giant rambo esque thing to be effective, especially in the right hands.

I am a small guy, with an advanced laymen's knowledge of knife fighting techniques ( many, many books read. And experience in martial arts.), nothing compared to a trained seasoned soldier. And i can say, with all internet tough guy emotions aside, armed with a 2-4 inch knife, i am now on at least equal footing with people much larger than myself.

Now arm someone much stronger, and more intimidating with the same item, give them more training, and it becomes painfully obvious in a plane full of people with no knife fighting experience, this person would have been calling the shots.

Unless Gil Hibben himself was on the plane, the fact that a trained soldier could use a pretty effective weapon ( against unarmed, untrained people.) in order to cause havoc is no where outside of the realm of possibility.
 
Further to the topic of Steven Jones and the Amazing Technicolor Paint Chips, I came across this video a couple of days ago, from a presentation of Dr. Jones in 2009. In it, he makes mention that Jeffrey Farrer had been in contact with Dr. Tom Tillotson of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

Since that contact dates back roughly two years, if there had been any confirmation regarding the nanothermite claims of Farrer, Jones et al., one presumes they would have been trumpeted all over Trutherdom.
The deafening silence indicates exactly the opposite.....

Anyone have any further info regarding said exchanges?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-_EBhmiJwg&t=20s
 
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alienentity said:
Further to the topic of Steven Jones and the Amazing Technicolor Paint Chips, I came across this video a couple of days ago, from a presentation of Dr. Jones in 2009. In it, he makes mention that Jeffery Farrer had been in contact with Dr. Tom Tillotson of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

Since that contact dates back roughly two years, if there had been any confirmation regarding the nanothermite claims of Farrer, Jones et al., one presumes they would have been trumpeted all over Trutherdom.
The deafening silence indicates exactly the opposite.....

Anyone have any further info regarding said exchanges?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-_EBhmiJwg&t=20s
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Oystein is currently having some fun with the topic - http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7158182&postcount=587

Some of his claims have triggered a massive attempted rebuttal which he links to.
 
Thanks, but I'm really curious as to the responses of Dr. Tillotson, who is a recognized expert in nanothermite.

Am checking the Oystein links now (which I also came across a few minutes ago)
 
ergo said:
Agreed. I find the OP unintelligible.
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It's written in english.

ergo said:
I think Ryan Mackey, having been exposed by his own minions as someone lacking appropriate engineering credentials for a proper evaluation of Bazant/NIST,
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1st, Ryan Mackey doesn't have "minions". There's no hierarchy here.

2nd, I'd be interested to hear how you came to that conclusion, but I suspect it would boil down to "he doesn't agree with ME".
 
metamars said:
But seriously, this post doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and it seems deliberately misleading. What kind of mind, with any extensive reading about 911 conspiracy theories, could possibly think that a Bin Laden who wasn't "in on it" rules out an "inside job"? It may rule out a complete inside job, but not "inside job" in the sense that a terrorist act was preventable, as the government had a man on the inside, but let the terrorist act proceed. (I.e., a combination of LIHOP and MIHOP).
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At first glance, it appears that you have a point. As far as the claimed logical, rational basis for 9/11 conspiracy theories is concerned, bin Laden's death means nothing. Explaining away the death of bin Laden and its circumstances is no more difficult than explaining away any of the rest of the mountain of evidence upon which the consensus historical narrative of 9/11 is based. The conspiracy theorists will pull it off, no doubt. The effects on your plausibility will be utterly unnoticeable, comparable to dumping a bucket of sand in the Sahara.

But 9/11 Truth is not, and never was, about plausibility or logical inference or evidence or the results of investigation. It's about making up stories that sound cool. It's literary theory, it's coffee-house improv poetry, it's performance art, it's human tragedy fan fiction.

All of which is a lot easier to do, and a lot more fun, for a story that's still in progress.

Remember all the wild theories all over the Internet, about the plot of the TV show LOST? All the predicted endings, alternative "what-if" plot lines, scripts that filled in "missing" scenes, fanciful explanations of every odd detail, and most of all, theories that "explained everything"? They were everywhere, not so long ago.

Seen any new ones lately?

Of course you haven't, and the reason is the story they were all being based on, ended. And that does tend to take the fun out of fannish speculation.

To a very large extent, bin Laden's death has ended the real-world story of 9/11. The last plot thread that sustained the remaining mystery and suspense is wrapped up.

You'll find that interesting the general public in your fan-fiction alternate versions of the story will be, from now on, about as easy and worthwhile as making book on last season's Super Bowl.

Show's over, folks. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Finally.

ergo said:
I guess those bees aren't gonna dunk themselves! ;)
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Yes, they are.

Bin Laden's survival up until May 2011 was the wedge that held the asylum door open. On occasional quiet nights the howls from within were heard all over town, and if you didn't know better you might think the whole world had gone mad.

Door's closed now, kiddo. Of course the inmates will only rave louder than ever, but apart from a few curious visitors in the galleries, no one will hear.

;)

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But, this does seem to be an appropriate time to thank you both for some very entertaining diversion over the past couple of years.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
I spent a year working with a professional apiarist, once upon a time. (That's "beekeeper," for those with dodgy command of the English language.) From my experience, the little critters really do not like to be "dunked," whatever that's supposed to mean.

Clock's ticking. No even potentially worthy entries yet.

I've spent a little time going through the Truther sites -- 911Blogger, AE911T, etc. -- and haven't found anything new there, either.

Y'all Truthers should be embarrassed. If you ever look back at the last ten years (or whatever) and wonder why you failed so horribly, this is why. You just aren't doing anything at all.
 
R.Mackey said:
I spent a year working with a professional apiarist, once upon a time. (That's "beekeeper," for those with dodgy command of the English language.) From my experience, the little critters really do not like to be "dunked," whatever that's supposed to mean.

Clock's ticking. No even potentially worthy entries yet.

I've spent a little time going through the Truther sites -- 911Blogger, AE911T, etc. -- and haven't found anything new there, either.

Y'all Truthers should be embarrassed. If you ever look back at the last ten years (or whatever) and wonder why you failed so horribly, this is why. You just aren't doing anything at all.
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First, it takes a massive arrogance to call someone's English dodgy because they aren't familiar with the esoteric term for beekeeper.

Second, this calling out of "failure" by people of your ilk is a sad attempt to turn life into a football game. It isn't. Any lack of penetration that this information has had can be blamed, not on us, but on people such as yourself. You've believed in a lie. That's nobody's fault but yours. It isn't up to the rest of us to make you believe something one way or another.

In fact, considering the number of people who believe in a 9/11 cover up, I contend that you've failed. With so many resources in every facet at your disposal, there are still a huge number of people in the US and Europe who call BS on the official story.

If you call that a victory, then that's your prerogative. You seem to act as if people who post on the internet work full time for The 9/11 Truth Movement Inc. or some odd thing. They are simply people who disagree with you. Get over yourself.
 
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