The Trump/Putin summit predictions thread

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Regarding individual subsidiaries "losing money" in a private business - it can be a bit of a movable feast. Within limits, I can allocate a greater or lesser proportion of shared costs to that subsidiary or take write-offs because it may be advantageous to run a loss in that tax jurisdiction.

That said, Donald Trump seems to run his business on "gut" and doesn't necessarily make business decisions based on profitability and so he could easily be throwing good money after bad at Turnberry.
 
The Putin regime


  • supports a Syrian dictator who uses nerve chemicals against his own civilian children, women and men
  • suppresses the free press
  • allows election tampering and intimidation of opposing politicians
  • allows its sinister agents to use highly dangerous nerve chemicals against former citizens, on foreign soil
  • allows its sinister agents to administer polonium to a former citizen, on foreign soil
  • openly annexed Crimea
  • openly makes fun of having influenced the US election campaign and Brexit
  • openly humiliates the POTUS in front of the world's cameras
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Today 4 years ago, Kremlin-backed separatists in #Ukraine shot down #MH17, killing 298 civilians. Every single person responsible for this horrible terror act should be brought to justice. And that includes #Putin #Russia
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https://twitter.com/Isa_Yusibov/status/1019166974268592128

The Helsinki Summit highlights just how far Russia dominates world politics.
 
Vixen said:
The Putin regime


  • supports a Syrian dictator who uses nerve chemicals against his own civilian children, women and men
  • suppresses the free press
  • allows election tampering and intimidation of opposing politicians
  • allows its sinister agents to use highly dangerous nerve chemicals against former citizens, on foreign soil
  • allows its sinister agents to administer polonium to a former citizen, on foreign soil
  • openly annexed Crimea
  • openly makes fun of having influenced the US election campaign and Brexit
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And...

Vixen said:
The Putin regime


  • openly humiliates the POTUS in front of the world's cameras
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See, everyone has at least one redeeming quality
 
The Don said:
None of the "usual suspects" is appearing so I'll do my best to defend President Trump.

President Trump is trying to put his own personal, short term, reputation in jeopardy in order to forge closer links between the US and Russia. He is confident that there was no substantive Russian meddling in the election.
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Thanks for stepping up as devil's advocate, you're a good sport ;).

Problem: Why is he so confident? His own closest advisers, like John Bolton, called Russian meddling an "act of war." Not a Fake News outlet or some wild-eyed leftist, but Trump's handpicked advisers. And it's not just lame ducks criticizing him. Probably 10 Republican senators came out swinging today. More may follow. Others may say, "We trust our intelligence services," not referencing Trump at all but the unspoken words will hang in the air.

The Don said:
In the same way that "Only Nixon could go to China", only President Trump has the foresight and deal-making nous to develop the US-Russia relationship, reverse nuclear proliferation, bring peace to the Middle East and the Korean Peninsula and crush ISIS. All previous Presidents have lacked the nerve to meet with these so-called dictators, stare them in the eye to see what is in their soul and make those deals which will save the world.
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I don't think that Trump's 40 percent ALL buy into this glowing narrative. I see him easily losing 5 percentage points there.

But something else is happening, IMO: Trump is beginning to look unhinged and desperate. Yes, more so than usual. He might kind of snap, leading to more unforced errors.

Not sure what the highlighted means.

The Don said:
Despite all the flak that President Trump has taken - AFAIK not a single word of reproach from any GOP politician in a position to seek re-election.
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Not sure that's totally accurate, but yes, Ryan, Corker, McCain, Flake have been vocal. Lindsey Graham is in till 2020 and he criticism of Trump may become sharper. IMO there's a chance Flake would be appointed to McCain's seat if his health forces him to resign, extending his influence.

The Don said:
As treasonous and traitorous as it's alleged to be (I personally think that's being waaaaaaaaay over-egged) no-one in the GOP who is in a position to lose anything has said a peep - IMO that's disgraceful. :mad:
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That doesn't mean they won't start to distance themselves in the near future. I imagine they will be hearing from constituents and in some districts it could really hurt the candidate. After all, Trump supporters are still a minority, and some gerrymandered districts have thin margins as far as I understand it.

Treasonous? I don't know. Aid and comfort to the enemy? His televised encouragement for Russia hacking Hillary? (Hack in a loose sense). His involvement in the Donald Jr. incident in Trump Tower? Not much there, I know. Treason may well be an overstatement but we don't know what he's told Putin in private.
 
carlvs said:
Better be careful, or someone may accuse you of being a homophobe* ...:boggled: :confused: :rolleyes: ;)
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Dislike of hanky-waving cowards is an entirely different proposition. Nothing to do with disliking sexual orientation, everything to do with rejecting the bullies that kept humankind in caves for 99% of the species' history, now looking for their umpteenth comeback.
 
The Don said:
Despite all the flak that President Trump has taken - AFAIK not a single word of reproach from any GOP politician in a position to seek re-election. As treasonous and traitorous as it's alleged to be (I personally think that's being waaaaaaaaay over-egged) no-one in the GOP who is in a position to lose anything has said a peep - IMO that's disgraceful. :mad:
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How is this playing now that the UK/European news cycle is underway? Times editorials etc.?

I imagine the UK enjoying a bit of Schadenfreude, but of course this is no joke on that side of the Atlantic, especially in Eastern Europe.
 
What has Putin got on Trump? Pee-tape? So what if he has a pee-tape, that's nothing. What he DOES have is loan markers to Trump for just about all the businesses Trump has bungled since the US banks turned their collective backs on him...in the 90's? It gave the Russian mafia a gateway to launder their money into the USA using Trump's hotels and golf courses - all nice and expensive property worth hundreds of millions. Trump,the narcissist, got the rake-off for being the conduit, although he thought they were just being kind to him when the US banks were not. That he went bankrupt a few times didn't worry his Russian handlers at all. As long as he picked up and moved on, they had their pipeline.

And guess which former KGB chief and now high-flying politician has been famously working at the top of the Russian mafias for decades...

Putin has Trump's balls in a jar in his desk. And he likes to give them a squeeze every now and then to remind the owner who is boss.
 
The Don said:
Despite all the flak that President Trump has taken - AFAIK not a single word of reproach from any GOP politician in a position to seek re-election. As treasonous and traitorous as it's alleged to be (I personally think that's being waaaaaaaaay over-egged) no-one in the GOP who is in a position to lose anything has said a peep - IMO that's disgraceful. :mad:
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I think there's a more direct cause than mere cowardice: a LOT of the top GOP brass are going to be implicated when it all goes down. Cohen as RNC finance chair, Russia funnelling money through the NRA, etc. I strongly suspect the rot goes all the way to the core.

They don't even have to have been directly involved in the Russia thing. In the US, if you are aware of the existence of a serious crime and take steps to obstruct investigations into it, that is a separate serious crime. Someone's [Mueller] eventually going to ask some hard questions of the congressmen who tanked so many intelligence committee interviews of people who were later indicted.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Putin has Trump's balls in a jar in his desk. And he likes to give them a squeeze every now and then to remind the owner who is boss.
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Nah, he has a whole row of Trump voodoo dolls on his desk. :D

There's exactly one felony mentioned in the US Constitution, and Trump just committed it.

And I hope someone in the White House has enough smarts to remove the batteries from that Furby soccer ball.
 
ddt said:
Nah, he has a whole row of Trump voodoo dolls on his desk. :D

There's exactly one felony mentioned in the US Constitution, and Trump just committed it.

And I hope someone in the White House has enough smarts to remove the batteries from that Furby soccer ball.
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You do realise Putin offered swapsies - his football for Trump's?
 
PhantomWolf said:
This is where the Democratic propaganda machine needs to get to work and into the faces of Americans. For the next three and a half months they need to be shoving this in the faces of Americans, especially those areas that are high in Trump support. Take clips from the presser, the reactions from FOX and Republicans, use clips of FBI, CIA, etc saying that there was interference, push a whole "United States of Russia" vs "Patriotic Americans" theme, and include the response (either pro-Trump or silence) from the GOP candidate in the district following up with a message that in November you either stand with 'Merica or you stand with Putin.

Of course they won't do it.
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Trump supporters are still 100% behind him. Because they voted for him. They can’t admit that their abortion/tax/immigrant/etc stance put a dangerous man in the White House.
 
Minoosh said:
Not that they "hacked" it, or that they colluded, but that it definitely meddled.
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The narrative seems to be shifting from "meddled" to "interfered". At this point "meddled" is just not strong enough.

LSSBB said:
Sub drop.
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I learned a new term today. Yeah, and thanks for making me look that up.

The Great Zaganza said:
Trump is going to do something even more outrages withing the next 48 hrs to distract from re-runs of him looking like a weakling.
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I think his only option is to shave his head.
 
Minoosh said:
I'm beginning to dislike all the sexual imagery people use when describing the Trump-Putin relationship. It's borderline homophobic IMO.

Not to say that I've never used it.

It is astonishing how all alone Trump is. Nobody is defending him. Even Pence said something so backhanded and generic, it only barely qualifies as support. Pence must be pretty happy about today actually. "He will always put America's prosperity and liberty first." Note that liberty comes after prosperity. He danced around the Putin meet and kind of praised Trump for his tough line on NATO and the EU.

ETA: The White House isn't even bothering to defend him, as far as I can tell.
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BDSM and Homosexuality are not synonymous.
 
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