The Trump/Putin summit predictions thread

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Anyone who continues to support Trump after this needs surgery to remove their heads from their rectums. Disgraceful and stupid beyond belief even for Trump. And that's saying something. This, along with his performance in the UK, should be enough for even his fans to see the man is simply not competent and a danger. But, sadly, I fear that most of them will just find yet more excuses for him rather than have the brains or maturity to admit they were wrong to support him.

I'm appalled. But I'll be even more appalled when the excuses start rolling in from his supporters. Shameful.
 
WilliamSeger said:
To me, the most crushing part of Trump's election was realizing that I live in a country that would elect Trump. Great nations do not elect ignorant, self-absorbed, self-serving, fear-mongering, race-baiting demagogues with empty promises of restoring the nation to some imaginary greatness by demonizing politically powerless ethnic groups. Somehow, we have become a nation dominated by resentful ****heads.

ETA: And don't give me the "but Hillary's emails" crap. Republicans had nearly 20 candidates to choose from.
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I couldn't agree more! I just returned from 3 weeks in Europe. I cannot tell you how many times I was asked (with disgust) about Trump...and I have never been so embarrassed for being an American.
 
Stacyhs said:
But I'll be even more appalled when the excuses start rolling in from his supporters. Shameful.
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Most likely they will not see anything to excuse. Trump is just trying to improve U.S.-Russian relations. Why should he trust a bunch of spies?

It's hard for me to believe this won't peel off at least 5 percent of his support, but I've thought that before and nothing changes.
 
Minoosh said:
Most likely they will not see anything to excuse. Trump is just trying to improve U.S.-Russian relations. Why should he trust a bunch of spies?

It's hard for me to believe this won't peel off at least 5 percent of his support, but I've thought that before and nothing changes.
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Stupid is not curable. It goes bone deep and is permanent.
 
Minoosh said:
Most likely they will not see anything to excuse. Trump is just trying to improve U.S.-Russian relations. Why should he trust a bunch of spies?

It's hard for me to believe this won't peel off at least 5 percent of his support, but I've thought that before and nothing changes.
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Nothing will happen. Nothing will change. MRGA.
 
I watched the Helsinki press conference and failed to see it. This is the equivalent of Nixon’s ”I am not a crook” speech. There is no going back for Trump. This will drag out for months, but the momentum is there now. Treason is obvious, collusion is obvious.
 
Shalamar said:
Nothing will happen. Nothing will change. MRGA.
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His approval ratings aren't going to tank (probably) but there are other factors in play. To me he has seemed especially "off" since the Kim meeting. He was so excited for that to happen - as excited as I've seen him - only to get mostly negative or mediocre reviews. He seemed let down.
 
A question from ignorance: There seems to be broad consensus from practically everyone but Trump that Russia did meddle in the election. Not that they "hacked" it, or that they colluded, but that it definitely meddled.

Has it been made public why even a Republican House committee agrees with this assessment? I just remember the unanimity of the intelligence community, but don't remember what the evidence was, or even if it's been publicly presented at all.
 
Minoosh said:
As satisfying as it must have been for Putin, he's aware that Trump may incur substantial backlash, when even Fox News is struggling to present any upside to Trump's performance.
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The thing is, for Putin, this is all profit. I'm sure he didn't actually expect his meddling to result in Trump getting elected. I think he just wanted to stir up enough **** that Clinton's presidency would be hobbled with the same sort of CT crap and obstructionism that Obama's was.

With Trump actually winning, all the nonsense that's gone on, which all directly impact the US's influence on world affairs, that's all gravy to Putin. Like Osama bin Laden on 9/11, I think he succeeded far beyond his expectations. Unlike bin Laden, Putin doesn't really have to worry about the US coming down hard on him as a consequence.


Craig4 said:
We need to see how this plays out. It's possible the success was so complete it was a failure. There are several possibilities here that could be bad for Russia. Trump might try to prove he's not a Russian whore and do something crazy like approve arms sales to Ukraine. Congress might attach funds to strengthen NATO and make recognition of Crimea a matter of law in the NDAA. The attack ad against pro Trump Republicans basically writes itself with those quotes.


Even one high-profile defection from the Trump cabinet could put him in a death spiral. Lower level staffers with careers to think about may jump ship even faster to keep from being too badly damaged. Before we get all crazy about Putin winning, we need to see how this plays out.
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I don't think anyone will actually let Trump do anything that stupid, but the process of preventing that would be so destructive to the structure of the US government that the US would be years recovering from it. Meanwhile, Russia will quietly consolidate their gains.
 
This is where the Democratic propaganda machine needs to get to work and into the faces of Americans. For the next three and a half months they need to be shoving this in the faces of Americans, especially those areas that are high in Trump support. Take clips from the presser, the reactions from FOX and Republicans, use clips of FBI, CIA, etc saying that there was interference, push a whole "United States of Russia" vs "Patriotic Americans" theme, and include the response (either pro-Trump or silence) from the GOP candidate in the district following up with a message that in November you either stand with 'Merica or you stand with Putin.

Of course they won't do it.
 
WilliamSeger said:
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ETA: And don't give me the "but Hillary's emails" crap. Republicans had nearly 20 candidates to choose from.
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That's a big part of the problem. Trump was winning primaries with 20% of the vote because the 80% of Republicans who wanted somebody else were divided 16 different ways. The Repubs should have found a way to shut Trump down early.
 
JoeMorgue said:
This is a statement from Senator John McCain.

For those of you outside the US, Senator John McCain is member of the Republican Party, a former Republican Candidate for President, and has been either a Senator or a Representative since 1983 and is one of the more influential members of Trump's party.

The statement reads:
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Wow. Good for McCain.
 
Even the apologists on this board are quiet trying to figure out how to twist this into something they can support. Give 'em time. They'll figure out something. It won't make sense, of course, but they'll still try. It's what they do.
 
So a few GOP legislators spoke out, Paul Ryan for one.

Put your time in the pool for how long until Ryan takes it back with some fudgey excuse.

I give him one day, he'll put his finger in the wind and if the wind leads to witch hunt, he'll be right there.
 
Trump is going to do something even more outrages withing the next 48 hrs to distract from re-runs of him looking like a weakling.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
So a few GOP legislators spoke out, Paul Ryan for one.

Put your time in the pool for how long until Ryan takes it back with some fudgey excuse.

I give him one day, he'll put his finger in the wind and if the wind leads to witch hunt, he'll be right there.
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Nah, he can say what he pleases, he's not running for re election.
 
lobosrul5 said:
Nah, he can say what he pleases, he's not running for re election.
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It reminds me of the apocryphal stories of all the French people who joined the Resistance after the war.

There are Republicans criticizing Trump, but only the ones who are not running for re-election or who have otherwise announced their retirement, including the talking heads who will never run for elected office again. The Republicans who still want to hold elected office are (with a few exceptions) withholding criticism.

Which is doubly shameful since the primaries and caucuses are over for this cycle. They don't need to worry about getting booted by the caucuses or primaries for almost two years from now.
 
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