'The Third Intifada has already begun'

[dudalb]

Can somebody explain to me the 'zombie' thing?

Gee, I thought he was making a reference to the Jerusalem scenes in the film version of "World War Z".

 

[trustbutverify]

The World knows the location of Israel. The World knows the location of Palestine.

Time for Israel to stop occupying Palestine - and stealing land, and brutalizing Arabs.

Many Palestinians don't agree with you (and the "world"). And those folks might continue resistance until their version of Palestine is restored.

 

[Jules Galen]

As I said earlier, if Israel had simply honored her '67 temple mount agreement, decades worth of terrorist attacks would have been avoided. Just this one simple and intelligent decision.

Considering Gandhi's advice to the Jews on their "conflict" with his friend Adolf...maybe he should just take a pass on this one.

But none of this changes the fact that Israel Occupies Palestine, Brutalizes Arabs, and Steals Land. The world says Israel should not do this...but Israel is not listening. Instead, Israel is more apt to blame the world for being "meanies" for objecting to Israel's land theft and brutalization.

 

[Ziggurat]

But none of this changes the fact that Israel Occupies Palestine, Brutalizes Arabs, and Steals Land.

What's with the caps, Jules?

And you're a broken record. Try actually addressing the arguments of your opponents instead of spouting the same tired one-line propaganda.

 

[Jules Galen]

People have often used the word "Occupation" to describe Israel's dominance of every major aspect of Palestinian Government....but it's really much worse than that. In fact, a closer description might be referred to as "Imprisonment".

For example, the Gaza Strip is effectively just a giant Concentration Camp - and a pretty good description of that imprisonment is given by the venerable Noam Chomsky in the following article:

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/it...it-to-gaza-the-worlds-largest-open-air-prison

So...the next time you hear someone suggest that Israel does not occupy Palestine, you will know two things: 1. It is a lie, and; 2. The reality on the ground is even worse than "Occupation" - it's more like "Imprisonment". Also, if you would like to know why Israel tells such Whopper Lies, then I suggest you read an article by Chris Hedges, entitled, "Why Israel Lies":

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_israel_lies_20140803

 

[Ziggurat]

Still not actually addressing the arguments of any other posters.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

Concentration camps? Where's the Palestinian fat soap/skin lampshades? Where's the swarthy Palestinian hair used to stuff mattresses? Where's the Palestinians being worked to death as slave labour before having their gold fillings ripped out?

 

[WildCat]

The World knows the location of Israel. The World knows the location of Palestine.

Do they? Do you have any evidence that any Palestinian leaders would accept the 1967 borders?

 

[Aridas]

What's with the caps, Jules?

And you're a broken record. Try actually addressing the arguments of your opponents instead of spouting the same tired one-line propaganda.

Seems like that's all he has. As it is, Israel does occupy Palestine. So that's true enough. Why they're occupying it is generally ignored, though, and the very likely consequences of just ending the occupation are also ignored. Some Israelis do brutalize the Arabs. That's true, too. The Israelis tend not to officially condone such behavior, though, which is a step above the Arab's treatment of such behavior. It's bad, certainly, when and where it happens, and it's worth condemning. It's not of significant value when it comes to the larger arguments regarding occupation and the like, though. "Stealing land," on the other hand, doesn't work as well as an argument, given the legal status of the land in question and the way that it's usually used. It's quite defensible, in a much more limited way than the users tend to use it, though, especially given that much of the claimed recently "stolen" land has been on the table to end up as Palestinian territory, should they ever be honestly willing to settle for co-existence.

Do they? Do you have any evidence that any Palestinian leaders would accept the 1967 borders?

There's certainly evidence that they would accept the land, if they didn't also have to accept Israel's right to exist in addition to it.

Concentration camps? Where's the Palestinian fat soap/skin lampshades? Where's the swarthy Palestinian hair used to stuff mattresses? Where's the Palestinians being worked to death as slave labour before having their gold fillings ripped out?

This line of argument has always seemed more than a little dumb to me. None of these or similar are at all necessary for something to be a concentration camp. Yeah, it's being used as a counter to a similarly bad claim, but there's really no good reason to descend to propping up one's stance with fallacious arguments.

 

[Jules Galen]

It always amazes me how BIG Israel can make a Lie. I mean, Israel can stand before the world and Lie without hestitation and feel absolutely no shame. And, I'm not talking about twisting the truth, I'm talking about outright lying to the World (and I mean telling a lie to the entire World).

For example, here's an article from the UK's Guardian which discusses how Mosad-supplied intelligence directly contradicts Prime Minister Netanyahu's claim that Iran was about to make a Nuclear Weapon - yeah...the same Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu who stood before the United Nations and gave a speech telling the world that Iran was an imminent Nuclear menace - when he knew he was lying!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu-iran-bomb-mossad

So...the next time you hear some story about how Israel is in Mortal Danger from some "Enemy" and must stomp on some Arabs in order to defend themselves from imminent Evil and Utter Destruction, please do a little fact checking, because Israel could be lying.

But most important. When you hear Israel say that the Occupation of Palestine is not the cause of the Violence between themselves and the Palestinians - you are surely hearing a Lie.

 

[WildCat]

It always amazes me how BIG Israel can make a Lie. I mean, Israel can stand before the world and Lie without hestitation and feel absolutely no shame. And, I'm not talking about twisting the truth, I'm talking about outright lying to the World (and I mean telling a lie to the entire World).

For example, here's an article from the UK's Guardian which discusses how Mosad-supplied intelligence directly contradicts Prime Minister Netanyahu's claim that Iran was about to make a Nuclear Weapon - yeah...the same Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu who stood before the United Nations and gave a speech telling the world that Iran was an imminent Nuclear menace - when he knew he was lying!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu-iran-bomb-mossad

So...the next time you hear some story about how Israel is in Mortal Danger from some "Enemy" and must stomp on some Arabs in order to defend themselves from imminent Evil and Utter Destruction, please do a little fact checking, because Israel could be lying.

But most important. When you hear Israel say that the Occupation of Palestine is not the cause of the Violence between themselves and the Palestinians - you are surely hearing a Lie.

Cool story bro, but completely irrelevant to this thread.

Are the Palestinians lying when they say they want to destroy Israel and genocide the Jews?

 

[Aridas]

It always amazes me how BIG Israel can make a Lie. I mean, Israel can stand before the world and Lie without hestitation and feel absolutely no shame. And, I'm not talking about twisting the truth, I'm talking about outright lying to the World (and I mean telling a lie to the entire World).

For example, here's an article from the UK's Guardian which discusses how Mosad-supplied intelligence directly contradicts Prime Minister Netanyahu's claim that Iran was about to make a Nuclear Weapon - yeah...the same Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu who stood before the United Nations and gave a speech telling the world that Iran was an imminent Nuclear menace - when he knew he was lying!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu-iran-bomb-mossad

So...the next time you hear some story about how Israel is in Mortal Danger from some "Enemy" and must stomp on some Arabs in order to defend themselves from imminent Evil and Utter Destruction, please do a little fact checking, because Israel could be lying.

Israel lies about something. News at 11. You also might take notice that the points made here are generally not dependent on Israeli claims like that at all.

But most important. When you hear Israel say that the Occupation of Palestine is not the cause of the Violence between themselves and the Palestinians - you are surely hearing a Lie.

...Feel free to back that up. You'll need to contend with the historical fact that there was distinct hostility long before the "Occupation of Palestine," though, for starters, before getting to the rest. The ongoing occupation is certainly a large point of friction, but is not really the cause, going by what history seems to tell us.

 

[fuelair]

Hamas calls for intifada, takes aim at Palestinian Authority

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/intifada-palestinian-authority


Well...it seems like a high-ranking Hamas Official (Religious Affairs) has called for a third Intifada:

Ismail Radwan...called for a third intifada on Al-Aqsa TV and other media outlets: “Our people in the West Bank, Gaza and inside [Israel], tomorrow is the day of rage, the day of confrontation, and the day of renewing the intifada.”

Really sad. I think Hamas is going has gone crazy.

They have been for a long time - they and all their like who decided it was a good idea to push the Israeli's into the sea.............

 

[fuelair]

It always amazes me how BIG Israel can make a Lie. I mean, Israel can stand before the world and Lie without hestitation and feel absolutely no shame. And, I'm not talking about twisting the truth, I'm talking about outright lying to the World (and I mean telling a lie to the entire World).

For example, here's an article from the UK's Guardian which discusses how Mosad-supplied intelligence directly contradicts Prime Minister Netanyahu's claim that Iran was about to make a Nuclear Weapon - yeah...the same Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu who stood before the United Nations and gave a speech telling the world that Iran was an imminent Nuclear menace - when he knew he was lying!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu-iran-bomb-mossad

So...the next time you hear some story about how Israel is in Mortal Danger from some "Enemy" and must stomp on some Arabs in order to defend themselves from imminent Evil and Utter Destruction, please do a little fact checking, because Israel could be lying.

But most important. When you hear Israel say that the Occupation of Palestine is not the cause of the Violence between themselves and the Palestinians - you are surely hearing a Lie.

No, it is not a lie - at worst it is one of the reasons - but had the Middle Easterners just accepted and welcomed Israel I suspect strongly everyone's lives there would have been much better and quickly so. Israel has seen attacks and terrorism since it was formed and all with the same goal: Wipe out Israel.

Not at all a lie.

As a side note, only the Israeli's have bothered following civilized warfare wherever they can. The other side(s) follow game rules (by doing the things I have listed and more). Still remember the "bombed " ambulance one from 2007 or so (long thread here somewhere)).....

 

[Ambrosia]

And Israel still occupies Palestine and brutalizes Arabs and steals their land. And....when people point out to Israel that this is wrong - Israel screams and stomps it's feet like a little girl and claims the whole world is against it.

You are aware I presume, that both Israel & Palestine are about as bad as each other in this conflict.

Yes, US news media seems biased in favour of Israels POV, that's not a good reason though to then bias in favour of Palestine.

 

[Giz]

You are aware I presume, that both Israel & Palestine are about as bad as each other in this conflict.

Uh, no. Israel isn't perfect by any means but it is incomparably more moral than the Palestinians.

 

[Childlike Empress]

You are aware I presume, that both Israel & Palestine are about as bad as each other in this conflict.

Eric Draitser has written a quite radical (i.e. going to the roots) piece on that common "balanced" but utterly nonsensical notion:

Israel, the Media and the Anatomy of a Sick Society

 

[Jules Galen]

Eric Draitser has written a quite radical (i.e. going to the roots) piece on that common "balanced" but utterly nonsensical notion:

Israel, the Media and the Anatomy of a Sick Society

I remember watching that 13-year-old Palestinian kid (mentioned in the article) laying there and bleeding out while the Israelis shouted "Die...you son-of-a-bitch....Die!" And I remember thinking "Dayum, that Palestinian kid has been quite rotten - stabbed another Israeli kid, but the reactions of those Israeli Adults who were shouting at that kid to "Die" shocked me a bit - it was utterly barbaric!" The whole video was a genuine hate fest.

Anyways, here is an newspaper article that I saw that is very strange and is entitled: Israeli Jew Stabs Another Jew in Failed Revenge Attack

Now...why would the paper (Haaretz) say the Israeli failed? Would the Israeli have been considered successful if he had stabbed an Arab?

But...it gets even worse! From the article we learn:

When the assailant tried to flee the scene — outside the city’s Ikea store — after the stabbing, a security guard shot at him. One bullet hit a bystander, grazing the man’s arm.

You can't make this up.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.680298

 

[Ambrosia]

Uh, no. Israel isn't perfect by any means but it is incomparably more moral than the Palestinians.

We are going to have to agree to disagree there.

 

[Ambrosia]

Eric Draitser has written a quite radical (i.e. going to the roots) piece on that common "balanced" but utterly nonsensical notion:

You might want to read the article you linked again. I don't think it says, what you think it says.

Yes, US news media seems biased in favour of Israels POV, that's not a good reason though to then bias in favour of Palestine.