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'The Third Intifada has already begun'

HoverBoarder said:
The main thing you are missing, and the main thing that you will likely continue to miss for the rest of your life is that you need a partner on the Palestinian side who actually wants peace not genocide.


It's possible, all that needs to happen is for enough people to just stop ignoring or encouraging the Palestinians from attacking the Israelis and actually work on a solution. That's it, pretty simple in theory and practice, but for over 65 years people cannot put the needs of the Palestinians above their own needs to use the situation for their own selfish purposes.
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And here is the core problem in the Middle East.
 
CapelDodger said:
Another generation, another intifada. Each unique, but the same in that every generation or so has one. Whatever the problem is it isn't being fixed and it isn't going away.
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It's a generational rite of passage, sort of like Woodstock but different. More like that Who concert in Cincinnati
CapelDodger said:
Indeed, one closed by Egypt, who want no part of the mess, and the other by the Israelis.

Gaza was a prosperous (but full) part of Egypt before 1948, but at that point its population was doubled by Palestinians driven in from the north. Since then it's been more trouble than it's worth. A shame, but there it is.
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It's been worth a great deal to people who like any excuse to start shooting and killing. Value is in the eye of the beholder.

HoverBoarder said:
The main thing you are missing, and the main thing that you will likely continue to miss for the rest of your life is that you need a partner on the Palestinian side who actually wants peace not genocide.

It's possible, all that needs to happen is for enough people to just stop ignoring or encouraging the Palestinians from attacking the Israelis and actually work on a solution. That's it, pretty simple in theory and practice, but for over 65 years people cannot put the needs of the Palestinians above their own needs to use the situation for their own selfish purposes.
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Well put. A nice dream, but Ghandi isn't an Arabic name.
 
When Israel says that Gaza is unoccupied - Israel is Lying.

When Israel tells the entire world that Palestinian schools teach their kids to stab Jews - Israel is lying.

When Israel says it is about anything other than Occupation, Brutalization or Land theft - Israel is Lying.

Israel wants Land that is not theirs. Israel wants to Steal Land the land that is not theirs. Israel Steals Land - and lies and murders to do it. This is why there are Intifadas.
 
Jules Galen said:
When Israel says it is about anything other than Occupation, Brutalization or Land theft - Israel is Lying.
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You've been directly challenged on this, repeatedly, and your response is to just keep on claiming this without even trying to address the counters. This behavior seems to primarily occur among those who simply can't back their claims up, in my experience, and has the effect of making the claimant look quite untrustworthy and dismissable.
 
CapelDodger said:
Do you have any evidence that an Israeli leader could agree to a Palestinian State and not get shot as a race-traitor?
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They've already made several offers, the Palestinians refused to even make a counteroffer. Because they want nothing less than the destruction of Israel and genocide of the Jews.
 
McHrozni said:
Can you expand on this? Please show evidence of an Israeli or some other foreign occupation force in Gaza.

McHrozni
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This is a couple years old now, but should still be pretty close. Even without Israeli forces stationed inside the Gaza Strip, Gaza is generally given the status of occupied. It's certainly a weaker use of the term than normal, though, given that Israel has little direct sway on what actually happens within the Gaza Strip and that they're fully within their national rights to limit what passes through their borders into and out of Gaza, for the most part. This is different enough from a standard conception of "occupied" that Israel doesn't actually need to lie when they say that they're not occupying Gaza, though it's not necessarily a proper refutation of the reasons why other political powers categorize the Gaza Strip as occupied.
 
Aridas said:

This is a couple years old now, but should still be pretty close. Even without Israeli forces stationed inside the Gaza Strip, Gaza is generally given the status of occupied. It's certainly a weaker use of the term than normal, though, given that Israel has little direct sway on what actually happens within the Gaza Strip and that they're fully within their national rights to limit what passes through their borders into and out of Gaza, for the most part. This is different enough from a standard conception of "occupied" that Israel doesn't actually need to lie when they say that they're not occupying Gaza, though it's not necessarily a proper refutation of the reasons why other political powers categorize the Gaza Strip as occupied.
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Once again we see properly understood words given entirely different meanings when it comes to Israel, but there's no anti-Semitism involved in any of it no way!

Genocide, refugee, apartheid, occupation... all words with an extra definition that applies only to Israel.
 
Aridas said:
It's certainly a weaker use of the term than normal, though, given that Israel has little direct sway on what actually happens within the Gaza Strip...
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The Israelis use F-16s to drop bombs on a people any time they feel like it - quite regularly, actually.

Israel Controls the Gaza Population Registry - so it controls who considered a citize, and who is not. As well as Passports.

Israel controls all electrical power to the Gaza strip (Israel bombed the only electrical power plant).

Israel controls all lair and sea space of the Gaza strip.

All mail to Gaza must pass through Israel - Israel controls the mail system.

And on...and on...and on....


Yes, Israel occupies Gaza. Israel Occupies Palestine - and that's why there are Intifadas.
 
Jules Galen said:
The Israelis use F-16s to drop bombs on a people any time they feel like it - quite regularly, actually.

Israel Controls the Gaza Population Registry - so it controls who considered a citize, and who is not. As well as Passports.

Israel controls all electrical power to the Gaza strip (Israel bombed the only electrical power plant).

Israel controls all lair and sea space of the Gaza strip.

All mail to Gaza must pass through Israel - Israel controls the mail system.

And on...and on...and on....


Yes, Israel occupies Gaza. Israel Occupies Palestine
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Without getting bogged down in the specifics, none of this actually addresses what I actually pointed out, thus it cannot be a refutation of what was said.

Jules Galen said:
- and that's why there are Intifadas.
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Evidently, this is you just trying again to claim that Israel's effectively 100% at fault for the unhappiness of the Palestinians and that the Palestinians are not truly responsible for their beliefs and actions. Your claims along those lines are rather dehumanizing for the Palestinians, frankly.
 
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Jules Galen said:
The Israelis use F-16s to drop bombs on a people any time they feel like it - quite regularly, actually.
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By that criteria Israel is occupied by Palestine, since they bomb Israel with rockets and mortars quite regularly.
 
Jules Galen said:
Hard as a Mo' Fo': and that's a bad state to be in.
And when I use the word "Zombie", I mean it as a temporary state - not a complete description of the person. And I'm trying to make that clear, because I don't want to spread the feeling that I'm trying to dehumanize or demonize anyone: there's too much of that nonsense out there already - and it's having a bad effect on the overall societal health of Team People.
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IOW, you're using the term in exact opposition to use of the term in contemporary English-speaking societies.

What is wrong with you?
 
Here's the thing. the Israelis are absolutely merciful, especially in the Middle East context. For instance, Bashir Al-Assad would never have tolerated the Palestinians' existence at any stage. And let's not think about what Saddam would do to them...
 
Jules Galen said:
Here is a nice article which thoroughly debunks 5 lies currently told by Israel concerning its occupation of Gaza:

http://www.thenation.com/article/five-israeli-talking-points-gaza-debunked/

Especially enlightening - for many - is the thorough debunking of the Israeli Lie that Palestinians use civilians as Human Shields.
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Pure BS - and did you miss the programs a couple years back explaining how and where school age kids were conscripted (some possibly volunteering, others just assigned) to dig parts of the tunnel system into Israel as well as in other parts of Gaza so militant ass****ers could hide and fight from them?
 
Jules Galen said:
The Israelis use F-16s to drop bombs on a people any time they feel like it - quite regularly, actually.

Israel Controls the Gaza Population Registry - so it controls who considered a citize, and who is not. As well as Passports.

Israel controls all electrical power to the Gaza strip (Israel bombed the only electrical power plant).

Israel controls all lair and sea space of the Gaza strip.

All mail to Gaza must pass through Israel - Israel controls the mail system.

And on...and on...and on....


Yes, Israel occupies Gaza. Israel Occupies Palestine - and that's why there are Intifadas.
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No rebellions , no reprisals. Oh, and by the by, have you done any actual research on the minor point that the other Arab countries have refused since the Palestinian thing started in the 40's to simply take in Palestinian refugees. I have, you just look at the results of that and do not ask why - if you are even aware of that part of all this crap.
 
WildCat said:
By that criteria Israel is occupied by Palestine, since they bomb Israel with rockets and mortars quite regularly.
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Silly you, when Ps do it it is good, When I's do it it is bad. Evenness is not even considered...............

By the by, I am a firm believer of the Untouchables rule (from the movie):
Short version: they beat up one of yours, you kill one or more of theirs. It expands swiftly. And explains why Israel wins. It learned that very hard lesson from the response to the Nazi slimes.
 
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