The supernatural

[MarkCorrigan]

Hello. There is exactly hell. But it is singularity. This is the destiny of the universe. Which goes the other way. Of course, there are many scientific lessons in all the allegorical and allegorical verses of the Qur'an. Do not forget that I told you the number 19 in hell. This is the number 19 elementary particles in hell. Which will heat 10 to 32 degrees Kelvin. And the universe will enter it completely. And the whole universe will experience it. This is not a claim. If you would like to discuss this with NASA. To be sure. I am ready to participate in this negotiation.
Let me remind you that Professor Hawking has confirmed this. Hawking brought physics closer to the Qur'an. Of course, there are many issues of modern science in the Qur'an that one can not imagine. And maybe in the future we will understand some of them. And we can discover. We have 3 verses in Quran for extremely advanced technology of quantum teleportation. I personally enjoyed it immensely. You will not see these interpretations of the Qur'an anywhere. And you will not hear from anyone. I have not said this anywhere. Nowhere. Even in my country. In my city. And I did not say it in Quranic meetings.

This is absolute gibberish.

Hawking didn't believe in your religion you know.

We do know that you are alone in your interpretation of the Quran though, that part is true. Have you ever wondered why that is?

 

[heydarian saeed]

... Clay is an excellent environment for polymerization. The non-biological type of amino acids and other biomonomers in dilute aqueous solution bind to the chemical groups of the clay structure. In this type of bonding, metal atoms act as catalysts in the reaction of monomers to polymers.
Clay can bind monomers closely together. Of course, there are many key points about how DNA molecules are formed and in what program in the sticky black mass. In other words, how life is created from inanimate matter at this moment.
And this is the only power and will of the essence of transcendence. That science is unable to comprehend. And will fail. That knowledge is only with God. It is invaluable that scientists have reached the origin of life through their studies.
AGCairns-Smith of the University of Glasgow and David C. Mauerzall of Rockefeller University in New York, during their research on Ton mineralien clay minerals, concluded that the chemical evolution of many organic molecules on the crystals of these minerals acted as a closed system.
Due to the electric charge on their outer surfaces, these crystals absorb organic molecules such as amino acids and nucleic acids and catalyze the synthesis of macromolecules. And cause the formation of macro organic biomolecules. The crystal structure is the nature of information data and forms the primary matrix in organic molecules.
As well as more complex organic macromolecules have been formed to achieve reproducibility without the aid of molten clay (heat dried).
Wolfgang Weigand and Mark Doerr of the University of Friedrich-Schiller Jena performed this experiment on iron sulfide.
Aharon Katchalassky was able to produce protein from a dilute aqueous solution of protein clay with a chain of more than 50 pieces of amino acids with 100% efficiency. Numerous numerous experiments have been performed in this field. Here are a few examples for those who are interested. Follow up the issue was mentioned. The important thing is: all the experiments are cooked on minerals and clay and left in the heat on the sticky black soot mineral that contains organic macromolecules.
See verses 26 to 29 of Sura 15:
And indeed We created man from a dry mud of black and stinking mud (26)
And before that We created the jinn (useful forces and energies hidden in man) from a burning and smokeless fire. (27)
And when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I will create mankind of dry clay, of black and stinking mud. (28)
So when I made it and decorated it. And I blew my soul in it, and you prostrated before him. (29)
See how beautiful God in the Qur'an describes all the scientific stages of the evolution of living beings and human beings in just two words: dry mud - black and smelly mud. Twice in the Qur'an, God symbolically tells the angels to prostrate before the living creature I created. Interestingly, he first says to prostrate to the unicellular creation of eukaryotes (verse 29). That is, praise this creation of mine with greatness. And the second time in the symbolic story of the creation of "Adam" from mud!
These two words are mentioned 7 times in the Quran. Each is expressed with an interesting explanation.

 

[Scorpion]

You will not see these interpretations of the Qur'an anywhere. And you will not hear from anyone. I have not said this anywhere. Nowhere. Even in my country. In my city. And I did not say it in Quranic meetings.

It seems that you think you are the only one who can interpret the Quran.

I see you say you have not told anyone in your country. I advise you not to because you will undoubtedly be accused of blasphemy.

 

[heydarian saeed]

This is absolute gibberish.

Hawking didn't believe in your religion you know.

We do know that you are alone in your interpretation of the Quran though, that part is true. Have you ever wondered why that is?

We know that Hawking does not believe in God. And he was an infidel. You are not reading my article correctly. Note: Hawking brought physics closer to the Qur'an with his discoveries. That is, by discovering the contents of physics in the Qur'an, he was inadvertently discovered. As an example, I say that: Only more than 10 are mentioned in the Qur'an in singularity and single. Of course with the Arabic Quranic word. Yes, I am Alone. And I do not need the support of anyone but God. God is enough for me. And I answer with the book of God, which is the Qur'an.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

But your god isn't real. He's literally logically impossible.

Plus you are grossly distorting the Quran to make it try to fit your notions and even then you still get science wrong. Did humans evolve, yes or no?

 

[heydarian saeed]

It seems that you think you are the only one who can interpret the Quran.

I see you say you have not told anyone in your country. I advise you not to because you will undoubtedly be accused of blasphemy.

Exactly. You made a good recommendation. Thank you. I have a question for you. These interpretations, as you say, are blasphemous. Aren't the members of this group infidels? So why do not these infidels want these interpretations of modern science from the Qur'an? Is there a problem other than my blasphemy? No. I do not blaspheme. I tell the truth of the Qur'an as much as I understand. But the friends of this group do not have a problem with blasphemy. The problem is something else .... What do you think? Thanks

 

[Scorpion]

I do not need the support of anyone but God. God is enough for me. And I answer with the book of God, which is the Qur'an.

So God is supporting you. How do you know this?

As for the Quran, I stake the fate of my immortal soul on it that God had nothing to do with it. It is all the lies of the bandit Muhammad.

 

[Pixel42]

Is there a problem other than my blasphemy?

Many problems, all of which have been explained to you at length.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

So God is supporting you. How do you know this?

As for the Quran, I stake the fate of my immortal soul on it that God had nothing to do with it. It is all the lies of the bandit Muhammad.

Be fair Scorpion, some of it was blatantly copied directly from the Bible, so those bits are the lies of whoever wrote those bits of the Bible.

 

[Scorpion]

Exactly. You made a good recommendation. Thank you. I have a question for you. These interpretations, as you say, are blasphemous. Aren't the members of this group infidels? So why do not these infidels want these interpretations of modern science from the Qur'an? Is there a problem other than my blasphemy? No. I do not blaspheme. I tell the truth of the Qur'an as much as I understand. But the friends of this group do not have a problem with blasphemy. The problem is something else .... What do you think? Thanks

I am saying that your contemporary Muslims will accuse you of blasphemy if you tell them your interpretations of the Quran.

As for the infidels on this forum, none of them believe in God so they do not believe the Quran contains modern science, because it is not a revelation from God. You are misinterpreting simple verses to try and make them fit scientific discoveries, but they don't.

 

[heydarian saeed]

I remember you saying you loved me. I guess the honeymoon is over.

Rashad Khalifa is the one who invented the number 19 theory that you have quoted. He was killed for blasphemy for interpreting the Quran.

I do not need to read a biography of Muhammad written by some dumb blond like Karen Armstrong, because I have read enough hadiths to know Muhammad was a murdering bandit. He ordered savage killings in several hadiths.

The soul is the immortal and divine child of God that dwells in us all. The souls consciousness is not in the human body, it is channeled down into the brain through the chakras in the etheric body. After death the soul goes to the spirit world. Which it inhabits until seeking a new incarnation. Or until it reaches enlightenment. After which it remains in the spirit world as an immortal being.

Hello. We share the theme of the soul in general. And we almost agree. Of course, you have not told us your scientific source yet! If possible, tell us on what basis you know this information from the soul. And where is the evidence for your content? But there are a few other questions: What is there of the soul? What is her gender of the soul? Do you believe that the soul is the child of God? Does God have other children? Do you associate partners with God? Is the purpose of the creation of the soul by God only the immortality of the soul? What is the reason for this purpose of God? If all these processes are for the soul. What is the need for human matter and body? If the soul must be incarnated in the bodies one after the other. Do not the bodies or the soul itself suffer? Because they have to endure many difficulties in the interaction between body and soul. What is the purpose of this mechanism? Please explain to clear our minds. Thanks

 

[abaddon]

Hello. We share the theme of the soul in general. And we almost agree.

Nope. There is no such thing as a soul.

Of course, you have not told us your scientific source yet! If possible, tell us on what basis you know this information from the soul. And where is the evidence for your content? But there are a few other questions: What is there of the soul? What is her gender of the soul? Do you believe that the soul is the child of God? Does God have other children? Do you associate partners with God? Is the purpose of the creation of the soul by God only the immortality of the soul? What is the reason for this purpose of God? If all these processes are for the soul. What is the need for human matter and body? If the soul must be incarnated in the bodies one after the other. Do not the bodies or the soul itself suffer? Because they have to endure many difficulties in the interaction between body and soul. What is the purpose of this mechanism? Please explain to clear our minds. Thanks

Sure. Souls don't exist. Why is this so difficult for you?

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Souls aren't real Heydarian. We've rather comprehensively mapped out a lot of human brain function and can even make changes to people's brains with magnets and surgery and such. There's no room left for a soul to hide in. They don't exist.

 

[Scorpion]

Hello. We share the theme of the soul in general. And we almost agree. Of course, you have not told us your scientific source yet! If possible, tell us on what basis you know this information from the soul. And where is the evidence for your content? But there are a few other questions: What is there of the soul? What is her gender of the soul? Do you believe that the soul is the child of God? Does God have other children? Do you associate partners with God? Is the purpose of the creation of the soul by God only the immortality of the soul? What is the reason for this purpose of God? If all these processes are for the soul. What is the need for human matter and body? If the soul must be incarnated in the bodies one after the other. Do not the bodies or the soul itself suffer? Because they have to endure many difficulties in the interaction between body and soul. What is the purpose of this mechanism? Please explain to clear our minds. Thanks

Yes, we almost agree, up until you claim the Quran is from God.

The sources of my beliefs come from fifty years of attending spiritualist church services, and attending many trance lectures by mediums at the spiritualist association in London during the 1970s. I have studied theosophy and I have also looked into the beliefs of a number of cults.

I believe we are all the immortal children of God. We are created as untried souls and soon descend into a cycle of incarnations that test our souls, and allow us to act freely. Which we cannot do in higher realms where the presence of God is obvious. If God made his presence known we would be constrained and would not experience free will. To evolve spiritually we need to make our own mistakes and learn from them. We grow wiser and stronger through the suffering and struggles of many lifetimes, and we gradually find our way back to uniting with God. Some have said it is not the destination of the soul which is important, but the journey.

The soul is asexual and there is no sex or reproduction in the spirit world. Spirits or souls are created by being breathed out of God, and they cannot reproduce new spirits.

PS> I am not going to discuss or justify my beliefs with anyone else but heydarian on this thread. I do not believe I am going off topic in answering his questions.

 

[catsmate]

Nope. It merely illustrates that you have no clue what "theory" means in science.

Is this a surprise to you?


As a wider point, it mildly amuses me to see how the godbotherers (of all persuasions) are so pathetically desperate to co-opt science to prop up their particular brand of delusion. As if their 'faith' was so weak that they couldn't cope.

 

[MRC_Hans]

We are now 55 pages into:

"God is awesome in the way I say he is awesome because the Quran says so and I know the Quran is right because God wrote it" arguing with "No God is awesome in the way I say he is awesome because the Bible says so and I know the Bible is right because God wrote it" and literally no other arguments.

That is because there ARE no other arguments.

But yes. This is a waste of time.

Hans

 

[abaddon]

Is this a surprise to you?

Nope. Disappointing perhaps. I always find myself disappointed that the harrassers of god fail at reality.

As a wider point, it mildly amuses me to see how the godbotherers (of all persuasions) are so pathetically desperate to co-opt science to prop up their particular brand of delusion. As if their 'faith' was so weak that they couldn't cope.

This is one of the things that is utterly risible. "What would you do if you got up in the morning and god wasn't real"?

Same thing I did yesterday morning.

I already believe in no god whatsoever so the question makes no sense.

 

[JoeMorgue]

"Faith" has always been a lie. It doesn't actually work.

It's just a codeword for a mixture of misinformation and post-fact rationalization.

For all the big talk about "their faith" from the God Botherers I have yet to actually meet one for whom "faith" really intellectually sustains them.

 

[LongFuzzy]

Is heydarian saying the fate of the universe is to collapse into a singularity? Hasn't observations shown that the universe is expanding at an increasing rate, and therefore not going to collapse, into what was called the "big crunch"?

 

[JoeMorgue]

Is heydarian saying the fate of the universe is to collapse into a singularity? Hasn't observations shown that the universe is expanding at an increasing rate, and therefore not going to collapse, into what was called the "big crunch"?

That's the current accepted theory given what we know about the expansion of the universe, but "Big Crunch" and even "Expanding Forever" proponents are still kicking around in the margins.

The "Big Crunch" fell out of favor starting in 1990s when growing measurements of background radiation showed that the expansion of the universe is not slowing down as most "Big Crunch" models depend on.