The supernatural

[IanS]

Hello. We do not challenge science.

Well science certainly "challanges" you! In fact much more than that - science shows how you are worng in everything you have claimed in this thread.

There are NO genuine reserach papers in any genuine high-level science reserach journal (where all of science is published) that support any of the claims you have made here about science in the Koran. All those discoveries are fully published in tens of thousands of papers decribing every experiment and every discovery ever made by Mankind, and nowehere is there any support for your beliefs about science in the Koran.

Although the natural sciences are changing. And this is a big challenge in itself.

The only way that science changes is by scientists themselves discovering new things and making more accurate measurements. The only "challenge" in science is to do our best to discover and explain true answers about everything in the world around us ... and the Koran and your religious belief have failed to have any contribution to that at all. Your religion and your beliefs have no place in science (and hence no place in the "truth" about this world).

But the Qur'an is beyond science. These words of mine are none of my own. It is the words of the Quran. I only translate up to date. The claim is the Qur'an itself. And that's absolutely right. These are the claims of God. Not an ordinary person. God has made these claims. Is there anyone who denies God's claim? not at all.

The Koran is not "beyond" science ... it's beyond just not any part of science at all!

You believe that your ancient book contains words from a heavenly God, but that is merely an ancient religious belief from times of great ignorance. If any of it were true, then it certainly would be in the published science papers ... but none of your beliefs and claims are in any genuine science research papers ... and that IS the final ultimate test of whether your claims are true or not ... if they were true then they would be huge news in every science publication, but on the contrary they are not in any genuine modern science papers, and that means your claims are “proved” untrue ... and that is the bottom line here ... that is the end of the discussion because you have not & cannot get any of your claims published as honest genuine science.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Yes, we almost agree, up until you claim the Quran is from God.

The sources of my beliefs come from fifty years of attending spiritualist church services, and attending many trance lectures by mediums at the spiritualist association in London during the 1970s. I have studied theosophy and I have also looked into the beliefs of a number of cults.

I believe we are all the immortal children of God. We are created as untried souls and soon descend into a cycle of incarnations that test our souls, and allow us to act freely. Which we cannot do in higher realms where the presence of God is obvious. If God made his presence known we would be constrained and would not experience free will. To evolve spiritually we need to make our own mistakes and learn from them. We grow wiser and stronger through the suffering and struggles of many lifetimes, and we gradually find our way back to uniting with God. Some have said it is not the destination of the soul which is important, but the journey. The soul is asexual and there is no sex or reproduction in the spirit world. Spirits or souls are created by being breathed out of God, and they cannot reproduce new spirits. PS> I am not going to discuss or justify my beliefs with anyone else but heydarian on this thread. I do not believe I am going off topic in answering his questions.

Hello. I'm glad we have a lot in common. Exactly the views of Islam and the Qur'an are the same content of your Highlights. Of course with minor changes. But we accept the generality of your article. I mean the sex of the soul: for example, the sex of matter and body? Is it simple? Is it compound? it's simple? Is it complicated and mysterious? And ... I want you to talk more about this. And express your opinions freely. I'm very willing. Thanks.

 

[abaddon]

Hello to both of you. I will say just one example of the supreme science and technology of God that has been said in the Qur'an: For advanced Advanced teleportation technology, we have 4 events in the Qur'an. With teleportation technology, God has moved a human twice twice, approximately 1,200 kilometers in just one second. And with the same technology, he has raised the dead twice. And with the same technology, he will recreate and revive all human beings in the hereafter. Science is unable to understand this. But science has only proved it. Read my article on proof by Hawking Master Roger Penrose in previous posts.
I have the address of the relevant verses and chapters. If you want ...

See? Superstitious load of old bollocks. Go ahead and show where kilometers are mentioned in the koran. Or teleportation technology. Or Hawking. Or Roger Penrose. You cannot. Because you are merely changing what the koran actually says to what you want it to say. That is called blasphemy.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Heydarian, why are you bothering? All you're doing is preaching, and you know that isn't convincing. We've given you detailed reasons why you're wrong and all you do instead of countering those reasons is restate your belief. What are you hoping to accomplish?

 

[Scorpion]

"Man did not evolve into an ape. He evolved into a single-celled eukaryote. Evolved human are not apes. human is an evolved single-celled eukaryote. And the Qur'an mentions all the stages of its evolution.

Please quote all the verses that say this.

 

[Scorpion]

These words of mine are none of my own. It is the words of the Quran. I only translate up to date. The claim is the Qur'an itself. And that's absolutely right. These are the claims of God. Not an ordinary person. God has made these claims. Is there anyone who denies God's claim? not at all.

God does not ramble on, like some demented old man. God is a formless ocean of consciousness. Your so called translation of the Quran seems to me to be entirely wrong.

 

[Mojo]

Man did not evolve into an ape. He evolved into a single-celled eukaryote.

I wondered what was inside your head working the controls.

 

[Mojo]

God does not ramble on, like some demented old man.

Gods generally seem to ramble on like the men who wrote their holy books.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Hello to both of you. I will say just one example of the supreme science and technology of God that has been said in the Qur'an: For advanced Advanced teleportation technology, we have 4 events in the Qur'an. With teleportation technology, God has moved a human twice twice, approximately 1,200 kilometers in just one second.

Fascinating.
In Star Trek TNG, they had to include something called a Heisenberg Compensator to account for the Uncertainty Principle.
How did this god do this?
Oh, that's right- it's science up to the point where it becomes unscientific bollocks, and then it's a miracle, because god is beyond science.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Hello to both of you. I will say just one example of the supreme science and technology of God that has been said in the Qur'an: For advanced Advanced teleportation technology, we have 4 events in the Qur'an. With teleportation technology, God has moved a human twice twice, approximately 1,200 kilometers in just one second. And with the same technology, he has raised the dead twice. And with the same technology, he will recreate and revive all human beings in the hereafter. Science is unable to understand this. But science has only proved it. Read my article on proof by Hawking Master Roger Penrose in previous posts.
I have the address of the relevant verses and chapters. If you want ...

Frankly, I feel you should seek help.

Hans

 

[I Am The Scum]

Hello to both of you. I will say just one example of the supreme science and technology of God that has been said in the Qur'an: For advanced Advanced teleportation technology, we have 4 events in the Qur'an. With teleportation technology, God has moved a human twice twice, approximately 1,200 kilometers in just one second. And with the same technology, he has raised the dead twice. And with the same technology, he will recreate and revive all human beings in the hereafter. Science is unable to understand this. But science has only proved it. Read my article on proof by Hawking Master Roger Penrose in previous posts.
I have the address of the relevant verses and chapters. If you want ...

Good luck to anyone trying to convince this guy that he's wrong!

 

[JoeMorgue]

This is why people who run into discussions to motherhen the smart, sane people for not finding yet another way to explain to the Proudly Wrong why they are wrong bug me so much.

 

[Myriad]

Heydarian, there are things we don't know about the most redshifted objects in the universe. We're launching the Webb Space Telescope to learn more about those things.

You claim that all scientific knowledge is in the Quran. Since you've studied the Quran which contains all scientific knowledge, you should already know what the Webb Space Telescope will find over the next several years.

If tell us now what the Webb will find, and be clear and specific in doing so, it would make your claim that the Quran contains all scientific knowledge much more credible.

If you can't tell us that now, why not?

 

[Tassman]

... Creation and evolution are two key words in the evolution of the Qur'an:
Creation and evolution are two key words in the evolution of the Qur'an.
Verses 14 of Sura 71. Meaning: "God created you in various stages and forms." The material structure of man is made up of chemical elements. And for the creation of man, these elements must first be created. This issue is considered by the Qur'an. In fact, contrary to the opinion of biologists who believe in the beginning of life on Earth.
The creation of life in the Qur'an is related to the first expansion of the universe. That is, when matter is created. Matter has not been created yet and the universe wants to expand from the stage of fog Bang. And the creation of matter begins with the opening of the universe.
God tells us in the words of Abraham in verses 50 and 51 of Sura 17:" I started your creation from the expansion of the universe.
Meaning: "If you are made of stone or iron or anything higher than you think. They say: Who will recreate us? Say, 'Who created you from the expansion of the universe. Shake your head in anger.' "And (angrily) they say, 'When is it? "
Translators mean "opening up" to create. This is a beautiful scientific term with its own meaning. Creation has not yet taken place in the material world. In verse 22 of Sura 36, Ibrahim says: Why do not I worship the One who opened me from the beginning of the expansion of the universe? Each word has its own meaning. This is the first stage of human evolution.
Physicists have written in some of their articles: We are actually made of cosmic gas and dust. And the Qur'an says: No. Before the expansion of the universe. Prophet Ibrahim says: I was before the expansion of the universe. verses 22 of Sura 36. Meaning: "God, you have opened me and we will return to you." The Qur'an speaks to us beyond knowledge. The particles of human existence are made up of elementary particles.
How long do these stages of evolution continue? Verse 7 of Sura 11 says: "When God created the universe, He had planned the creation of water in advance. God's throne is the management of the creation of the universe. It was on the water. To test you towards your good deeds."
The purpose of this program is to create the human test. To progress. And reach a high position.
And good deeds are not our only deeds and behavior. In another verse, he says, "I created all the adornment of the earth, which is its life. For the good deeds of man." Therefore, good deeds are the attainment of the righteous species in the process of evolution.
Of course, this debate is still going on. But I think in response to his message 2161, I have said the complete and necessary material and other friends in the field of the Qur'an's view of "human evolution."
"Man did not evolve into an ape. He evolved into a single-celled eukaryote. Evolved human are not apes. human is an evolved single-celled eukaryote. And the Qur'an mentions all the stages of its evolution.

"Humans are classified in the sub-group of primates known as the Great Apes. Humans are primates, but the primates that we most closely resemble are the apes. We are therefore classified along with all other apes in a primate sub-group known as the hominoids (Superfamily Hominoidea)".

Humans are apes – 'Great Apes' - The Australian Museum

https://australian.museum › science › human-evolution

 

[sackett]

This forum has seen posts by Christians, Jews, Muslims, a Buddhist or two, spiritualists, a sort of Jain, chiropractors, Aryan Brothers, and Berkeleyists.

But never a Cargo believer. Why not? John Frum is still obeyed on the island of Tanna in Vanuatu, and 5 will get you 10 that Cargo even yet has adherents in New Guinea and other places. In this day and age, surely a Frumist could post here to explain his beliefs, in standard English at that -- although I'd prefer Tok Pisin; it's fun, way more fun than poor Heydarian's jargon, and clearer.

Jon Frum e go buggerimup dispella Moe Hommed plenny too muss!

 

[MRC_Hans]

This forum has seen posts by Christians, Jews, Muslims, a Buddhist or two, spiritualists, a sort of Jain, chiropractors, Aryan Brothers, and Berkeleyists.

But never a Cargo believer. Why not? John Frum is still obeyed on the island of Tanna in Vanuatu, and 5 will get you 10 that Cargo even yet has adherents in New Guinea and other places. In this day and age, surely a Frumist could post here to explain his beliefs, in standard English at that -- although I'd prefer Tok Pisin; it's fun, way more fun than poor Heydarian's jargon, and clearer.

Jon Frum e go buggerimup dispella Moe Hommed plenny too muss!

Well, we might as well...

Hans

 

[IanS]

This forum has seen posts by Christians, Jews, Muslims, a Buddhist or two, spiritualists, a sort of Jain, chiropractors, Aryan Brothers, and Berkeleyists.

But never a Cargo believer. Why not? John Frum is still obeyed on the island of Tanna in Vanuatu, and 5 will get you 10 that Cargo even yet has adherents in New Guinea and other places. In this day and age, surely a Frumist could post here to explain his beliefs, in standard English at that -- although I'd prefer Tok Pisin; it's fun, way more fun than poor Heydarian's jargon, and clearer.

Jon Frum e go buggerimup dispella Moe Hommed plenny too muss!

Well, we might as well...

Hans

Well that highlighted sentence is clearly a description of Darwins discovery of evolution! You see where it says "D"-ispella" ... that means it is "spelled out" for "D" ie "Darwin". ... so it says Darwin has "spelled out" "Frum e go" meaning "From The Start", which clearly means the beginning of all life on Earth, ... he spells out "Moe Hommed", which is very clearly meaning "Hominid" ie the evolution of Man!... but he also says "plenny too muss", which obviously tells us "plenty more too!" meaning all other life evolving before Man! ...

... so a verse like that in your religious book is undoubtedly a description/prediction of human evolution. If we take the other verses then we will certainly find a description of all other science ever discovered ... and in the oldest religious books that proves God because those hundreds of predictive-descriptions for all of modern science were made hundreds and thousands of years before Darwin, Newton, Einstein and the rest. And so, God is proved! ... it's a "Fact!" (or else, alternatively, it's all complete bo**ocks).

 

[sackett]

Well that highlighted sentence is clearly a description of Darwins discovery of evolution! You see where it says "D"-ispella" ... that means it is "spelled out" for "D" ie "Darwin". ... so it says Darwin has "spelled out" "Frum e go" meaning "From The Start", which clearly means the beginning of all life on Earth, ... he spells out "Moe Hommed", which is very clearly meaning "Hominid" ie the evolution of Man!... but he also says "plenny too muss", which obviously tells us "plenty more too!" meaning all other life evolving before Man! ...

... so a verse like that in your religious book is undoubtedly a description/prediction of human evolution. If we take the other verses then we will certainly find a description of all other science ever discovered ... and in the oldest religious books that proves God because those hundreds of predictive-descriptions for all of modern science were made hundreds and thousands of years before Darwin, Newton, Einstein and the rest. And so, God is proved! ... it's a "Fact!" (or else, alternatively, it's all complete bo**ocks).

Wo! Na you savvy long makim heap boo sit allsame Hey Darry Ian!

By m by me go back long bush.

 

[IanS]

Wo! Na you savvy long makim heap boo sit allsame Hey Darry Ian!

By m by me go back long bush.

Quite right; indeed you will need a Shovel!

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Well that highlighted sentence is clearly a description of Darwins discovery of evolution! You see where it says "D"-ispella" ... that means it is "spelled out" for "D" ie "Darwin". ... so it says Darwin has "spelled out" "Frum e go" meaning "From The Start", which clearly means the beginning of all life on Earth, ... he spells out "Moe Hommed", which is very clearly meaning "Hominid" ie the evolution of Man!... but he also says "plenny too muss", which obviously tells us "plenty more too!" meaning all other life evolving before Man! ...

... so a verse like that in your religious book is undoubtedly a description/prediction of human evolution. If we take the other verses then we will certainly find a description of all other science ever discovered ... and in the oldest religious books that proves God because those hundreds of predictive-descriptions for all of modern science were made hundreds and thousands of years before Darwin, Newton, Einstein and the rest. And so, God is proved! ... it's a "Fact!" (or else, alternatively, it's all complete bo**ocks).

So, rather like Desmond Dekker singing about the Eukaryotes, then? How did he get this knowledge? PROOF OF GOD AND SCIENCY STUFF BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!!!!!!!!!