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Cont: The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Re-opened Part III

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Vixen said:
[...] Or maybe there was a tip-off the Swedish SäPo were waiting for it in Stockholm. Note how all the senior officers mysteriously 'disappeared' after being rescued.

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Add to the fact Sweden wanted to bury the whole thing...
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I really like this theory. It has potential.

Sweden caught wind of illegal smuggling, and they were ready to bust the smugglers as soon as they got to Stockholm. The smugglers (who may or may not have been the senior officers) somehow found out and sank the ship at Swedish midnight (maybe intentionally, maybe accidentally), killing 852 people. After that, Sweden decided the smugglers were alright. They gave up trying to arrest them and started a decades long, globe-spanning conspiracy to cover up the truth.

This one is plausible. Any new investigation should check into this story.
 
Stamuel said:
I really like this theory. It has potential.

Sweden caught wind of illegal smuggling, and they were ready to bust the smugglers as soon as they got to Stockholm. The smugglers (who may or may not have been the senior officers) somehow found out and sank the ship at Swedish midnight (maybe intentionally, maybe accidentally), killing 852 people. After that, Sweden decided the smugglers were alright. They gave up trying to arrest them and started a decades long, globe-spanning conspiracy to cover up the truth.

This one is plausible. Any new investigation should check into this story.
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:D
 
Maybe some crewman got too close to the radioactive waste and turned into the Incredible Hulk. Enraged by the loud pounding of the storm waves he smashed the bow door open and escaped.

We shouldn't discount any possibility.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Maybe some crewman got too close to the radioactive waste and turned into the Incredible Hulk. Enraged by the loud pounding of the storm waves he smashed the bow door open and escaped.

We shouldn't discount any possibility.
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Mothra?
 
Vixen said:
All he has to do is calculate the centre of gravity of the boat and work out at which point it becomes unstable
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I asked you to show us how that's done, back when you were talking about "principles" instead of instructing Myriad how to sink his boat in the way you assured us all boats sink. Of course you're ignoring that request. You don't know how to do it. You're still conflating buoyancy with stability. You don't know the difference. Your knowledge of sea vessel dynamics is flawed at the fundament, conceptual level.

(clue: when it is less than zero).
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Center of gravity is not a scalar quantity. It's a three-dimensional point reckoned in an arbitrary coordinate framework associated with the vehicle. Saying "when it is less than zero" is meaningless.
 
Myriad said:
Why not? I explained how I will easily recover the sunk boat when the tide goes out. There's a full moon (which means larger tidal swings, higher high tide and lower low tide) in a few days.

Do you not want me to test your claim? Are you afraid your claim that inflowing water will certainly cause it to turn upside down might be wrong?
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Truth is, I don't really care, when it is something so elementary and basic, that you can easily look up for yourself.
 
Stamuel said:
I really like this theory. It has potential.

Sweden caught wind of illegal smuggling, and they were ready to bust the smugglers as soon as they got to Stockholm. The smugglers (who may or may not have been the senior officers) somehow found out and sank the ship at Swedish midnight (maybe intentionally, maybe accidentally), killing 852 people. After that, Sweden decided the smugglers were alright. They gave up trying to arrest them and started a decades long, globe-spanning conspiracy to cover up the truth.

This one is plausible. Any new investigation should check into this story.
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I was simply trying out Ruotsalainen's theory. I wasn't endorsing it.
 
JayUtah said:
I asked you to show us how that's done, back when you were talking about "principles" instead of instructing Myriad how to sink his boat in the way you assured us all boats sink. Of course you're ignoring that request. You don't know how to do it. You're still conflating buoyancy with stability. You don't know the difference. Your knowledge of sea vessel dynamics is flawed at the fundament, conceptual level.



Center of gravity is not a scalar quantity. It's a three-dimensional point reckoned in an arbitrary coordinate framework associated with the vehicle. Saying "when it is less than zero" is meaningless.
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Do refer back to that Marine Insight link I provided. That explains in simple terms all you need to know.
 
Vixen said:
Truth is, I don't really care, when it is something so elementary and basic, that you can easily look up for yourself.
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What about the people who have looked it up, concluded that your half-assed attempts to play teacher are probably in error, and require that you put your money where your mouth is to show that you correctly understand the principles you're trying to teach?
 
Vixen said:
Do refer back to that Marine Insight link I provided. That explains in simple terms all you need to know.
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No, it doesn't, and I'm not asking for simple terms. I'm asking for the full-blown vector analysis of ship stability in the roll axis that proves a ship will capsize inevitably, when -- in your naive terms -- its center of gravity "becomes less than zero." You're still conflating buoyancy with stability, and you're doubling down on your ignorance in the face of people who know you're bluffing.

Show us the math, Vixen. I want to see your vector sums.
 
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