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Cont: The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Re-opened Part III

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Vixen said:
He's claiming he saw some kind of sonar map when he was a intern in Nov 1994.

He says had the cargo gone through the bow ramp there was the real risk of it colliding with the vessel.

I suspect he is some kind of counter-intelligence agent who has suddenly conveniently popped up after 27 years to spread disinformation.
He's been put forward by some Russian guy. How else do these people get the ear of a State Parliament (the Estonian Riigskugu) and the national press?

His theory seems absurd.
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Why did you post it?
 
Another theory recently put forward is that on board there was an American contingent which has been kept secret.

Well there were about 70 members of Stockholm police on board the Estonia coming back from a conference in Tallinn. Hmmm.


Reminds me of the missing flight MH 370 rumours.
 
Vixen said:
He suspects that the person who commanded Estonia was ordered to sink the ship on top of the cargo dumped at sea.
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Throw out the cargo in a storm, cause the ship to founder, to lose power and let it get carried back to sink exactly on top of the neat pile of stuff you just dropped overboard.

Wow. That's literally a dumber theory than Mothra.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
They were not exposed to the very high pressure outside which would have killed them straight away, and which was the relevant point. Nobody in the Estonia would have been in a pressure sealed compartment and they would have quickly succumbed to the effects of normal air at very high pressure.

I'm not aware that the Kursk sailors survived longer than anyone expected. They had emergency oxygen generators and used those.
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CO2 scrubbers would have been of more value.
 
Vixen said:
He's claiming he saw some kind of sonar map when he was a intern in Nov 1994.

He says had the cargo gone through the bow ramp there was the real risk of it colliding with the vessel.

I suspect he is some kind of counter-intelligence agent who has suddenly conveniently popped up after 27 years to spread disinformation.
He's been put forward by some Russian guy. How else do these people get the ear of a State Parliament (the Estonian Riigskugu) and the national press?

His theory seems absurd.
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If counter-intelligence means acting counter to anything intelligent then yeah, maybe.
 
Vixen said:
How can I take people claiming to be expert engineers and shipbuilders seriously when they come out with claims such as 'The Herald of Free Enterprise sank faster than the Estonia, dishonestly pretending the two incidents are like for like.
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Until the moment the HOFE touched the bottom, in what way were the two sinkings significantly different?

It's very obvious that you have at best no better idea that I do about whether the HOFE would have sunk entirely had it not stranded, but my reference is the official report (which says it would have sunk) and yours seems to be sufficiently embarrassing that you won't present it lest it be roundly mocked. What should that tell us?
 
New Wilhelm Gustloff Video released

This is a new video on youtube of the Wilhelm Gustloff Real Time Sinking. Given it is 'real time' it lasts less than an hour.



It is relevant as I believe it shows remarkable similarities to the Estonia sinking insofar it has the Russian hallmark fingerprints all over it.
 
Vixen said:
This is a new video on youtube of the Wilhelm Gustloff Real Time Sinking. Given it is 'real time' it lasts less than an hour.



It is relevant as I believe it shows remarkable similarities to the Estonia sinking insofar it has the Russian hallmark fingerprints all over it.
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Before I waste an hour on YouTube, what "hallmark fingerprints" exactly?
 
Okay I watched it at double speed. CGI ship sinks at night. Captions appear with stuff you could have gleaned from Wikipedia in a tenth of the time. Runs out of stuff to say about halfway through.

I spent much of the time trying to work out if the stars in the background were accurate or random. Curious how much they shifted as the camera position rose and fell a couple of hundred feet. Not sure that was accurate. That was the most interesting bit.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
It was hit by torpedoes.

Apparently only Russians torpedoed ships in WW2.
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For them to be "hallmark fingerprints" we'd have to conclude that it's only Russians who torpedo ships at all.

Does Mothra carry torpedoes? I think we need to know.
 
Vixen said:
This is a new video on youtube of the Wilhelm Gustloff Real Time Sinking. Given it is 'real time' it lasts less than an hour.



It is relevant as I believe it shows remarkable similarities to the Estonia sinking insofar it has the Russian hallmark fingerprints all over it.
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How many car decks did Wilhelm Gustloff have? How many bow doors/visors? How many stern doors? How soon after the torpedoes did its watertight doors seal?

Face it, Vixen, they are not remotely comparable with Estonia.
 
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