Cont: The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Re-opened Part III

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Vixen said:
The list came after the feelings of bangs and/or a collision. Even Linde said so. Thus, the fact there was a list leading to the capsize and sinking, does not mean it was the root cause of the sinking. In addition, it would take a lot longer than half an hour for all of those reinforced glass portholes to crack enabling seepage of seawater to replace all of the air. In fact, a Russian vessel at Kaliningrad immediately offered to help rescue those who might be trapped inside air bubbles in the wreck, awaiting death or rescue, but strangely, the Swedes wanted no-one but the Swedes at the scene and they were turned down.
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It was free surface effect on the water flooding the car deck that caused the list.
Why would it take longer than half an hour for the windows to break?

Anyone trapped in the ship would have been dead when it reached the bottom.. Check out what breathing atmospheric air does to you at that pressure.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
It was free surface effect on the water flooding the car deck that caused the list.
Why would it take longer than half an hour for the windows to break?

Anyone trapped in the ship would have been dead when it reached the bottom.. Check out what breathing atmospheric air does to you at that pressure.
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The guys in the Kursk backrooms lasted out for quite a while.
 
Vixen said:
Research for yourself. Even Wilhelm Gustloff torpedoed in three places took 45 minutes to sink.
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Who says that the Estonia sank in 'record time'?

On average two ships a week sink. Some of them go down so fast that all the crew are lost.
 
Vixen said:
By minisub? Timed device? There are also blank torpedoes that can be fired which can also still cause damage.
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How would a 'minisub' place a charge on a moving ship at sea in a storm?

A timed charge on the side of the ship above the waterline would be noticed.

What is a 'blank torpedo'?
 
Vixen said:
The guys in the Kursk backrooms lasted out for quite a while.
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The Kursk crew were in sealed compartments. They were not in 'air bubbles' in air bubbles at 125 psi. Oxygen starts to become toxic at that pressure and nitrogen iduces 'narcosis' and will render you senseless.
Divers at 60 meters and below switch to an 'hypoxic mixture' with both oxygen and nitrogen replaced with helium. This mixture is 10% oxygen, 70% helium and 20% nitrogen.
 
Vixen said:
There are no side windows in the car deck so the JAIC must be referring to inner windows.
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That wasn't what I asked, as usual. What is your reference for your claim that the JAIC assumed the car deck door windows broke. Please.
 
Vixen said:
Myriad, I don't want you to sink your rowboat.
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Why not? I explained how I will easily recover the sunk boat when the tide goes out. There's a full moon (which means larger tidal swings, higher high tide and lower low tide) in a few days.

Do you not want me to test your claim? Are you afraid your claim that inflowing water will certainly cause it to turn upside down might be wrong?
 
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Vixen said:
All he has to do is calculate the centre of gravity of the boat and work out at which point it becomes unstable (clue: when it is less than zero).
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When the centre of gravity is "less than zero"?

Pitifully ignorant.
 
Vixen said:
Research for yourself. Even Wilhelm Gustloff torpedoed in three places took 45 minutes to sink.
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How long did the Herald of Free Enterprise take to sink, Vixen?

You don't have the first idea what you're talking about.
 
Vixen said:
All he has to do is calculate the centre of gravity of the boat and work out at which point it becomes unstable (clue: when it is less than zero).
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Vixen, when what is less than zero will the boat become unstable?
 
Vixen said:
If the ramp fell open, don't you think the trucks nearest the ramp - i.e., the ones loaded in at the last minute - would automatically fall out due to the sheer force of the sea?
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'sheer force of the sea'? Are you referring to the slap of a simple wave a Swedish midnight?
 
Vixen said:
All he has to do is calculate the centre of gravity of the boat and work out at which point it becomes unstable (clue: when it is less than zero).
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What does the center of gravity have to do with buoyancy? What, specifically, is the 'it' that becomes 'less than zero'?
 
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