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The "Silent Majority."

JoeMorgue

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One of the biggest hurdles in discussing American politics (and I'm assuming some version of something like this pops up in other countries as well and I'd welcome non-American's input on that) is the fact that most Americans are not politically active.

There are roughly 252,274,000 Americans of voting age.

In 2020 Presidential Election 158,397,726 votes were cast. So that's about 65% of potential voters actually voting in what was a very stakes, high profile, high passion national election.

Our two big parties; the Democratic and Republican Parties have ~47,000,000 and ~35,000,000 members respectfully. Add on the minor parties that are at least big enough to matter; the Green, the Libertarian, and a smattering of others and you have about 85-90 million people give or take who are a member of a political party. So only about 55-60% of Americans who are politically active are members of an organized political party.

That is sorta as far as we can take raw numbers. Now of those ~90 million people how many are, for lack of a better term, passionate about their parties? How many are protesting and marching and campaigning and volunteering and arguing on social media and voting party lines and voting in primaries and... like active and involved in all of it beyond just voting in the big elections and maybe putting up a yard sign if they are feeling particularly saucy? You can't really put an exact number on that but I feel pretty comfortable saying "not most." Or at least not most people consistently. Obviously "passion" (again for lack of a better, more precise term) ebbs and flows.

My point is of the ~252,000,000 voting age Americans... most are not political in the sense that they aren't "on the ground, fighting the fight" if that makes sense. I've used the term disparagingly before but I'll use it here in a slightly more neutral sense, most American don't belong to a political fandom.

A large percentage of Americans don't vote. A large percentage of Americans who vote aren't a member of either of the two major parties even when they vote for the candidate of said party. And a lot of members of the political parties are not super-passionate about it.

BUT the passionate members of the parties are where all the political discourse happens. And yeah I know that sort of "Duh" level obvious, that's what "interest in" means and all, but they are never above speaking for everyone in their party or, to get to the crux of this discussion, everyone who's not in the discussion at all.

I assume some version of this has always and will always be the way it is, but starting with the Republican Party in the late 60s and really coming to force in the early 80s with Reagan the "Silent Majority" became basically a stealth 3rd person demographic in politics, this whole idea that there is this massive hidden group of Americans who don't have a voice or who are afraid to speak out or some other variation that one of the two major political parties has special insight into and declare themselves the right to speak on their behalf.

To use a crude but funny metaphor it's like watching New York and Chicago fight over whether thin crust or deep dish is the better pizza or whether the only allowed topping for a hot dog is mustard, sauerkraut, and onions or a poppy seed bun, relish, onion, tomato spears, and celery salt when there's the rest of the entire country eating both generic AND countless other variations of Pizza and Hot Dogs that have nothing to do with their argument.

Now sure this largely just political posturing, that one guy trying to win the internet discussion by claiming all the lurkers secretly agree with him and he has special insight into that writ large, but I'm more interested in this group of "Political Lurkers" so to speak itself.

It's easy, too easy, to just chock it up to general malaise or disinterest or laziness and sure those are all in there but I don't know if I buy that's THE major factor since a good chunk of people who aren't party still vote and a good chunk of non-passionate party members are still in a party and so forth and so on the trend seems to people who are not the visible way of being in politics still find a way of being in politics so I'm not buying that everyone who isn't arguing on Twitter or marching is just "not interesting in politics."

I wonder if sometimes it is like the inverse of a one issue voter? Someone who has a stance that overrides all other stances but is not compatible with either party, even they agree with one or both of the major parties on multiple other issues.

There's also the whole thing that "politics" is such a dirty concept in America with so many people just being sick of the whole thing.

I don't have a specific singular direct question here, I'm rambling and throwing something out for discussion. I'm not really looking for a bunch of hot takes as to what everyone thinks the "Silent Majority" thinks because spoiler alert it's gonna be "Well of course they agree with me and we'll win if they ever rise up!"

And yeah I know that on Poly-sci Political Game Theory 101 level reason really is nothing more than "We have first past the post two party system and this is an inevitable outcome of same."

I'm more just interested in is there a problem to be solved here? Is there really a Silent Majority that exists beyond "Uncategorizable people who don't fit into either two parties."

Is there a combination of political issues that someone could campaign on that a good sizable chunk of American who aren't in politics now would go "Holy crap this guy really speaks for me?"

Is there a way to get meaningful political data from people who aren't party active?
 
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Is there any mileage in the idea that those who are not afilliated to either party actually vote against the party they dislike/fear more rather than voting for a party they agree with on more points?
 
Is there any mileage in the idea that those who are not afilliated to either party actually vote against the party they dislike/fear more rather than voting for a party they agree with on more points?

Best guess, probably.

I think it is reasonable to look at a lot (no I can't put an exact number on it or say "most" and I doubt anyone else can either) of the unpolitically loud as being... motivated isn't the exact right word but its close by a dislike of one of the established parties rather than a like of one of them.

Mainly because if they liked one of the major parties... they'd just be a member of the party in most, again not all, cases.
 
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the problem isn't with The Silent Majority (TSM), but rather with the fact that US elections are gerrymandered on the local all the way up to the federal level: no one cares about what the people in the solid Red or Blue States want, so they might as well stay silent.

Changing the Voting system would go a long way towards increased participation, such as:

- mandatory voting
- gerrymandering for competition
- ranked choice
- quadratic voting

and, of course, abolishing the EC, but that is a no-brainer.
 
the problem isn't with The Silent Majority (TSM), but rather with the fact that US elections are gerrymandered on the local all the way up to the federal level: no one cares about what the people in the solid Red or Blue States want, so they might as well stay silent.

I always vote in presidential elections, and usually vote in state and local elections...but although I've lived in five different districts since I reached voting age every one of them has been solidly for one party or the other for decades. My vote either joined the rest in a foregone conclusion or didn't matter in the least. At the moment I live in a solidly Democrat ward in a solidly Democrat city in a solidly Republican state. Whichever way I vote is negated by the adjacent levels of government being opposite to each other.

My conclusion is that voting matters much less than which particular power is held by which particular level of government. Moving a matter from city to state, from state to federal, or vice versa is what affects what actually gets done and how. As we're seeing with Roe-- when it's federal it goes one way, when it's state it's the opposite (for some states, anyway). If it were a city/county decision it would flip back again where I live!
 
Just for fun: a lot of us are largely apolitical, but vote the candidate for the important stuff.

I've voted all Dem save Pres Bush the Elder presidentially, but split ticket locally when I liked the R better. President Obama v Sen McCain was a tough choice, and I went with Obama due largely to the perception that McCain was pandering to the wrong end of the base, and awfully hawkish on Iran.

It's good to have solid leanings, but anyone who yellow-dogs their vote should have their voting rights stripped, IMO. Vote the actor, not the hat.
 
Just for fun: a lot of us are largely apolitical, but vote the candidate for the important stuff.

I've voted all Dem save Pres Bush the Elder presidentially, but split ticket locally when I liked the R better. President Obama v Sen McCain was a tough choice, and I went with Obama due largely to the perception that McCain was pandering to the wrong end of the base, and awfully hawkish on Iran.

It's good to have solid leanings, but anyone who yellow-dogs their vote should have their voting rights stripped, IMO. Vote the actor, not the hat.

given that, with vanishingly few exceptions, representatives in Congress always vote with their Party when it matters, voting for the Hat is what actually matters.
 
Just for fun: a lot of us are largely apolitical, but vote the candidate for the important stuff.

I've voted all Dem save Pres Bush the Elder presidentially, but split ticket locally when I liked the R better. President Obama v Sen McCain was a tough choice, and I went with Obama due largely to the perception that McCain was pandering to the wrong end of the base, and awfully hawkish on Iran.

It's good to have solid leanings, but anyone who yellow-dogs their vote should have their voting rights stripped, IMO. Vote the actor, not the hat.

Until the Republican party at large stops being the anti-democracy (small "d" democracy) party, you pretty much have to vote the hat.
 
One of the drawbacks of mandatory voting is that those who wouldn't bother voting unless forced to will simply fill in the circle without thinking much or at all about whom or what they're voting for/against. IOW, fill it in, get it over with ASAP. Of course, there are people who do that now anyway, but there would be many more of this type of vote if we had mandatory voting. At least the way it is now, those who do vote likely give it a bit more thought.
 
given that, with vanishingly few exceptions, representatives in Congress always vote with their Party when it matters, voting for the Hat is what actually matters.

Often true, I'm sure. My district's Congressional Representative for years was the Honorable Frank Lobiondo (R), who was voted IIRC in the top 10 of most bipartisan members of Congress, so my perspective may be a little whacked.
 
Until the Republican party at large stops being the anti-democracy (small "d" democracy) party, you pretty much have to vote the hat.

And then you'll never see a respectable Republican again. No bueno.

Republicans (old school, mind) are not bad people by default. Governor Romney was not entirely a bad cat. Nor was McCain, Lobiondo, and some others. I'd like to see the mad dogs in the GOP put back in their doghouse, but agreed, it will take some time.
 
And then you'll never see a respectable Republican again. No bueno.

Republicans (old school, mind) are not bad people by default. Governor Romney was not entirely a bad cat. Nor was McCain, Lobiondo, and some others. I'd like to see the mad dogs in the GOP put back in their doghouse, but agreed, it will take some time.

Wait, not voting for the anti-democracy party will make you see respectable Republicans again? How's that working out for you?
 
Wait, not voting for the anti-democracy party will make you see respectable Republicans again? How's that working out for you?

Like I said, with me voting overwhelmingly Democrat. But how else will the GOP turn the direction it is in, if not by voting in respectable candidates? I'm not hoping for a fairy godmother.
 
Like I said, with me voting overwhelmingly Democrat. But how else will the GOP turn the direction it is in, if not by voting in respectable candidates? I'm not hoping for a fairy godmother.

The usual explanation is that they lose enough times with the type of candidates they're running now that they start putting up half decent ones. But, hey, voting for the MTGs and Boeberts and all will certainly cause that type of politician to lose favor with the GOP! :thumbsup:
 
The usual explanation is that they lose enough times with the type of candidates they're running now that they start putting up half decent ones. But, hey, voting for the MTGs and Boeberts and all will certainly cause that type of politician to lose favor with the GOP! :thumbsup:

I don't recall saying anything about voting for the mad dog candidates. I do recall saying that supporting respectable candidates is a net positive. So ends this psychotic exchange.
 
I don't recall saying anything about voting for the mad dog candidates. I do recall saying that supporting respectable candidates is a net positive. So ends this psychotic exchange.

And I recall saying that until you start seeing those "respectable" candidates, voting for the Rs equates to voting for the mad dog candidates. So, yeah, the guy who thinks Herschel Walker is just as respectable as any candidate he actually has voted for certainly has a good eye for net positives.
 
And I recall saying that until you start seeing those "respectable" candidates, voting for the Rs equates to voting for the mad dog candidates. So, yeah, the guy who thinks Herschel Walker is just as respectable as any candidate he actually has voted for certainly has a good eye for net positives.

"Just as untrustworthy" =/= "Just as Respectable"

Thank you though, for demonstrating what I mean by a psychotic exchange, and why I choose to end them. Now please pontificate I'm the phrase "and so ends".
 
I think quadratic Voting would be something Conservatives could get onboard with - if they would take a serious look at it.

I only didn't include it because I didn't know what it was. I read just enough to get an idea, but don't have a strong opinion about it yet, either way.
 

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