The PROPHET YAHWEH, Maker of UFO's

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

An agreement on the terminology involved is a must. If the JREF fails in determine that some "object" is a balloon, or a bird, or X, then it would have to pay?

How do you "prove" that such UFO is a spaceship?

 

[john_v_h]

Well, Mr. Yahweh has provided some definitions in his correspondence:

UFO’s are usually small flying objects: glowing orbs, metallic spheres, satellite-type flying machines, etc.

And, their flight patterns suggest that they are not of this world.

But, spaceships are large futuristic vehicles that are clearly designed to carry passengers, in like you see in the movies.

 

[chillzero]

It seems to me that he has provided the beginnings of some outs from his claims .... he insists that no-one have consumed alcohol, or drugs, and he could conceivably claim that nothing appeared because some bloke in the crowd was smoking.

I think JREF need to stop letting him make all the demands, and try to reign this in a little to greate a credible testing scenario.

He agreed to meet up in Jan next year for JREF to test hiom, and then has stipulated that he will only summon these things from his own site which he has obtained, that he will only do it if the weather is clear, if there are not too many clouds (how many is too many?), that no-one must be drunk, that no-one must be high, and the way I read it that no-one must have defiled the purity of their body - and that's a lot of leeway.

 

[Bandersnatch]

I'm not exactly into optics or photography so I don't know if distance if really a factor, but testing location seems to be a very large area. What is the maximum distance is it possible to confirm a weather balloon/bag/whatever?

EDIT: Forgot to add, what possible distances could he use? How far would his accomplice need to be?

 

[Bandersnatch]

Just to add, I have a video where Prophet Yehwah mentions seening "Mount Vernon" and the Metro-Link train centre as a place where the sightings take place. San Bernardino area.

I'll try and post it somewhere.

EDIT:
here be video. Right around the end, he names the streets.

 

[Timothy]

Protocol tweaking:

While Profit Yahoo continues to rant about "large spaceships" "like the kind you see in movies" hovering over Las Vegas for two days, a formal protocol should involve the following.

1) Minimum size of object that constitues a "spaceship". Since he is in contact with his alien friends, and has seen them before, this should not be a problem

2) Altitude below and distance away which a "spaceship" will be considered to be sighted and hovering.

This is a quantitative measurement of "no floating white dots". This allows for calculation of angular subtense of "spaceship" which can then be used to determine what lenses should be used for best recording. Additionally, it can be used to determine the correct layout of several AZ-EL mounts to triangulate the height and distance of the "spaceships"

- Timothy

 

[Beady]

Four days is a long time to tie up a commercial helicopter, whether it belongs to a TV station or rents out by the hour. It's also a long time to tie up a TV news crew, especially if there's other "news happening now!" someplace else.

Just a thought.

 

[rjh01]

Protocol tweaking:

While Profit Yahoo continues to rant about "large spaceships" "like the kind you see in movies" hovering over Las Vegas for two days, a formal protocol should involve the following.

1) Minimum size of object that constitues a "spaceship". Since he is in contact with his alien friends, and has seen them before, this should not be a problem


- Timothy

This can be expressed as saying it must be bigger than an outstretched hand. You can translate that into an angle. So that a bigger 'spacecraft' higher up is the same as a small one that you can almost touch.

But really if you want to discredit him all you have to do is to spy on him at any demonstration and photograph his helper. Better yet get the media to do it. They will have better equipment than any of us can put our paws on, with the knowledge and experience of how to use it. Big bucks for the media organisation that does it.

 

[SezMe]

I agree with cabby that he has inserted all these "clean body" restrictions that the JREF cannot assure will be met, especially if the event draws a crowd. Those restrictions are not under JREF control so must not be part of the protocol.

I am also concerned about "hidden" compatriots. I think the protocol should explicitly state that PY will be the ONLY participant in this test. If he wants associates, he must specify who they will be. And, if the summuning site is large, they might be hard to keep track of. So the protocol would ideally state that all associates wear, for example, bright yellow T-Shirts so we can keep an eye on them.

Finally, it is important that the protocol define how we will come to an agreement that the craft are guided by aliens. Do we have to see windows with little grey men looking out? Music like the the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind?

 

[jmercer]

I agree with cabby that he has inserted all these "clean body" restrictions that the JREF cannot assure will be met, especially if the event draws a crowd. Those restrictions are not under JREF control so must not be part of the protocol.

I am also concerned about "hidden" compatriots. I think the protocol should explicitly state that PY will be the ONLY participant in this test. If he wants associates, he must specify who they will be. And, if the summuning site is large, they might be hard to keep track of. So the protocol would ideally state that all associates wear, for example, bright yellow T-Shirts so we can keep an eye on them.

Well, yeah, the "clean body" gives him an out. I'd tell him that JREF can't control these people and what they do.

Regarding "hidden" compatriots... who cares? The balloon shows up; we and the media prove it's a balloon; Mr. Prophet Yahweh is publicly debunked. That this fraud has accomplices is immaterial.

 

[princhester]

A few random thoughts.

A/ I'm in agreement that what we have seen of the protocol is loose. Need a tight definition of what is going to appear. Needs to include a catchall that the object must not be of earthly origin.

B/ His long email posted by Kramer at 6.35 on the 16th worries me. It seems as if JREF hasn't agreed to it, but don't be too certain that PY doesn't consider it to have been agreed. This point needs to be clear.

C/ As others have said, his clean living, drugs, smoking thing is going to be used as an out. There is no way for JREF to control this if it is allowed.

D/ I wonder about your abilities to catch an accomplice launching a balloon or whatever. It's such a trivial thing to do: you could launch one from a closed up van parked anywhere in Vegas in seconds and it would be up and away a few seconds after that: your chances of catching him in the act are closer to zip than many seem to assume.

E/ Helicopters and model aircraft have severe operational limitations. Weather balloons will go to amazing heights, quite fast. Don't assume you'll be able to chase one down.

Edited to add: Sorry, you've probably thought of all this, but I'm just trying to help

 

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

E/ Helicopters and model aircraft have severe operational limitations. Weather balloons will go to amazing heights, quite fast. Don't assume you'll be able to chase one down.

Thats a good point. Triangulating its altitud is one thing, being able to see it with enough detail to prove its a weather balloon is another.

 

[deathphoenix]

I just had to delurk for this.

Masterful art of diplomacy in this, Kramer. You're leaving it polite and making it clear that we are working WITH Mr. Prophet Yaweh and not against him. That would encourage him to try for the challenge.

Only conducting the summoning on his site worries me a bit. Should there be mentions of any investigation of his site prior to the summoning, or would the cameras on the day(s) of be sufficient?

 

[Hitch]

I'm not sure an "out" in case of failure should be a big concern with Mr. Yahweh. He seems to be pretty high on bombast and if the challenge takes place, I'm sure he'll be making strong proclamations about what he will do. No UFO appearance would be a devastating failure and excuses won't cut it. The key is preventing any fake UFOs from being accepted as a success.

 

[ohioskeptic]

re

umm, I think we're all missing something big here. He has already backed out of his original claim. He has been making these "UFOs" appear for years and he wanted that to be the test. He wrote it in handwriting on his application after typing the rest. Now he wants the appearance of two spaceship to be the test. I really think you should hold him to his first claim because it is going to be a lot more interesting and valuable to JREF.

If his task is to summon two hovering spacecraft (and I think he said they would be fixed in the sky for several days), press coverage is going to be the same as for the guy wearing a sandwich board saying "the world will end tomorrow": it's too unbelievable. Plus when everyone is standing there with sore necks waiting for these huge craft and none show, there won't be anything to debunk. We should force him to summon what he already has on video 1500 times, and examine it with all the technology we can muster, and show people he's a fraud. If he fails the current protocal with the spaceships, he won't be seen as a fraud, but as a boring lunatic.

 

[edjunior]

Hey , Prophet Noweh (me) will be on the air talking about this goof, on Real Rock 101 from Orlando Flordia, here is a link to the site

http://wjrr.com/showinfo_afternoons.html


3pm est today.

 

[Manny]

Re: re

umm, I think we're all missing something big here. He has already backed out of his original claim. He has been making these "UFOs" appear for years and he wanted that to be the test. He wrote it in handwriting on his application after typing the rest. Now he wants the appearance of two spaceship to be the test. I really think you should hold him to his first claim because it is going to be a lot more interesting and valuable to JREF.

Except that by his definitions, spaceships are even cooler than UFOs. If anything, I'd say the opposite -- make him show the spacecraft.

If he fails the current protocal with the spaceships, he won't be seen as a fraud, but as a boring lunatic.

"He calls himself Prophet Yahweh and says he's working for the good of mankind. But he's taken in thousands of dollars for his act. He EVEN got ABC-13 to help fool the gullible. But TONIGHT, EXCLUSIVELY ON CHANNEL 3, we'll show you what a con man he really is.

 

[SezMe]

Regarding "hidden" compatriots... who cares? The balloon shows up; we and the media prove it's a balloon; Mr. Prophet Yahweh is publicly debunked. That this fraud has accomplices is immaterial.

You're being LOGICAL (gasp!) here. We say it's a baloon, he says it's a UFO, blah, blah. And the credulous media presents it as a stand off. How much more powerful if you present the media with the compatriot caught red-handed. That stops the claim/counterclaim nonsense.

D/ I wonder about your abilities to catch an accomplice launching a balloon or whatever. It's such a trivial thing to do: you could launch one from a closed up van parked anywhere in Vegas in seconds and it would be up and away a few seconds after that: your chances of catching him in the act are closer to zip than many seem to assume.

No doubt it would not necessarily be easy but remember he has said he needs a relatively calm day so any accomplice can't be too far away. We need more info about his summuning area.

There is another reason to include a "no accomplice" clause in the protocol: it makes it clear that PY is doing a solo act. If he starts to object to the clause, that is a pretty clear indication of what is up. And if we do catch an accomplice, it is a slam dunk case of "You lose."

 

[Beady]

There is another reason to include a "no accomplice" clause in the protocol: it makes it clear that PY is doing a solo act. If he starts to object to the clause, that is a pretty clear indication of what is up. And if we do catch an accomplice, it is a slam dunk case of "You lose."

I'm not clear on this. People are arguing that Yahoo's accomplices should either be banned or "marked" (by bright shirts or whatever).

Why?

Will either strategy stop him from having a hidden accomplice somewhere down the block? You know, the one who's going to release the balloon. Will a rule about accomplices keep him from operating?

From where I sit, it's not the accomplices you can see that are the problem, but the ones you can't.

 

[SpaceFluffer]

We say it's a baloon, he says it's a UFO, blah, blah. And the credulous media presents it as a stand off. How much more powerful if you present the media with the compatriot caught red-handed. That stops the claim/counterclaim nonsense.

Assuming that the media decides to report this, of course. It wouldn't surprise me if they go into the event deciding to side with PY because that's 'what their viewers want'...