The PROPHET YAHWEH, Maker of UFO's

It appears to me that he has already attempted to set the terms for the test. As I read his correspondence with Kramer, he has currently begun 'summoning' the UFOs, and as far as he is concerned, if any appear between now and July 15th, he will consider that a success. I think you guys are going down the wrong path comparing this guy with Wellfed. What is going to happen here is that this guy is going to claim success based on materials that he provides regardless of whether a protocol has been agreed to and a test actually takes place, and when the JREF refuses to pay him, he will then claim the challenge is bogus. I agree with Kramer that this guy is a complete whack job, and I think the JREF should be careful. He's already served time in prison, according to his website. He could be capable of anything.
 
Wow! This is gotta be the best application yet!

If this ever goes through, how are the protocols going to be conducted? Does the UFO have to bee clearly seen with the naked eye?

Wonder how much it costs to hire a blimp...
 
A good telescope with a camera is all that is needed to see what those "ufo's" really are. I have read that there are ballons, so, it will be easy to debunk.

Unless he really can perform and even with a telescope the ufo's remain unknown?
 
Take a look at this link...it's from a magician's message board that I subscribe to. Read the second post in the thread.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=118452&forum=27&15

Seems like this guy is sort of a fraud, but a really bad one. I'd love to see him try to fool the JREF....I'd pay admission to be at that test.

"Hey, that's just a balloon, not a UFO"
"Is not"
"Is too...see, I just popped it"
"No you didn't"

yeesh....

(edited to add that there are links to his site on that thread)
 
Yahweh

After a friend of mine spoke to yahweh on the phone and asking him
many questions it is apparent Mr. Yahweh says one thing and does
another. We specifically asked if he would take the James Randi
Educational Foundation Million Dollar Challenge to prove his paranormal
claim. He said no way, it was against his beliefs!

Well, apparently he is applying lol

Best,

Prophet Noweh

Join My Spoof Yaweh Group here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prophetyaweh/

Find some interesting evidence in our message database where yahweh admits in an email, he summoned a plastic grocery bag as the 1st part of the summonings, the ufo mimmicked a bag to put it correctly.


P.S. Are we sure this guy is the Real Prophet Yahweh applying? I might imagine someone acting as him and applying to waste Kramers time.

Most, if not all of Yahwehs Clips and my spoofs along with others are hosted here http://www.godlikeproductions.com/ufovideo/



PS # 2, Please send news choppers up with cams to zoom in, I am sure the Prophet would not want this, perhaps making an excuse as to why they didnt show up.... the ufos felt threathened, blah blah.
 
I'm a bit amazed here.

A man is releasing balloons and claiming they are UFOs.

And that's it? That's the whole claim.

Kramer, how do you do it?

Although ironically I would quite like to see this claim actually tested.
 
Most likely that is it, however people do not often get as much publicity as this man has got, all originating from the irresponsible abc affiliate station in las vegas and their story.

Since then he has been on radio talk shows all over the world, and now has thrusted religious bibble babble to push his agenda.
 
Ashles said:
I'm a bit amazed here.

A man is releasing balloons and claiming they are UFOs.

And that's it? That's the whole claim.

Kramer, how do you do it?

Although ironically I would quite like to see this claim actually tested.
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How do I do it? It's a kind of emotional bulimia. I eat this offal for breakfast and then puke it all up before lunch. Then I go back for seconds.

Here's what I just wrote to Randi and Linda about this crap:

JREF is a serious organization that tests alleged paranormal phenomenon. This particular applicant is laughed at all over the internet. There are even Yahweh SPOOF sites dedicated to him.

I just don't want the people who DO love us to see us dealing with an obvious fraud like this and asking themselves things like, "Why is the JREF getting involved with crap like this? For press? The JREF is promoting this fraud, knowing full well that there is NOTHING to his claim. Is this what I became a JREF member for? Is this what my contributions are supporting?"

Yahweh is trying to use us as a promotional device. Getting involved probably WILL bring the press' attention if a test actually occurs, and believer-types who haven't heard of him yet will flock to his defense after the test, pour more $$$ into his coffers, and become his devout followers, which is exactly what he wants.

Are we really that stupid? Are we to stand by and be a part of what contributes to the growth of his flock by letting him use the JREF and the Challenge as a willing tool? Yahweh has already stated IN HIS APPLICATION that he expects us to have the news cameras and media present at the test. So he'll be on the news again, and he knows that this is really all it takes to get people to call him and send money.

It's one thing to unwittingly be a part of something like this. In my opinion, it's another thing entirely to willingly walk into it when we know it'll just bring him more of the attention he knows will make him wealthier.

We gain nothing. He gains followers, and a fattened bank account.

Accepting this obviously bogus, fraudulent claim helps no one. It doesn't douse the flames. It fuels the fire.

Randi says that the test will never happen. I think he might be wrong about that.

-K

Yeah, folks. I am not happy about accepting this claim. And Randi is not happy with me for my "high moral" position.

It's moral in part, but it's also a practical concern. This claim is a complete and utter waste of our limited time and resources.

Please argue this with me if you believe me to be wrong.
 
KRAMER said:
It's moral in part, but it's also a practical concern. This claim is a complete and utter waste of our limited time and resources.

Please argue this with me if you believe me to be wrong.
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I'll say that I'm open to the possibility that you're wrong. It depends on what resources the JREF has and is willing to throw at this. I think that a big, public scam like this deserves a big, public debunking. But it'll have to be better than "we took a shaky video just like he did and we say it's a weather balloon." Does the JREF have access to someone with professional-quality daytime telescopic equipment? Can you stick someone on top of the Wynn to see where the weather balloon is released from? Can you send a chase car to intercept any car which might be dragging a tethered balloon? If all the JREF can 'add' to the process is that PY failed to meet the conditions of the challenge then I agree that it's probably not worth getting involved, even if Randi's right and the guy finds some way to weasel out of the actual test. On the other hand, if you can offer to a rival TV station a prepackaged story of how the ABC affiliate got scammed, complete with 'here's his confederate driving down Industrial Road' pictures there might be some fun to be had.



(edited to add dropped word "worth" in next to last sentence)
 
KRAMER said:
JREF is a serious organization that tests alleged paranormal phenomenon. This particular applicant is laughed at all over the internet. There are even Yahweh SPOOF sites dedicated to him.

I just don't want the people who DO love us to see us dealing with an obvious fraud like this and asking themselves things like, "Why is the JREF getting involved with crap like this? For press? The JREF is promoting this fraud, knowing full well that there is NOTHING to his claim. Is this what I became a JREF member for? Is this what my contributions are supporting?"

-K

Please argue this with me if you believe me to be wrong. [/B]
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Kramer,
I love you guys and IMO it is very important that JREF takes this claim seriously, to officially debunk this character. Either way, whether he is tested or not, he will gain more followers and be given more money. However more harm will be done if he is not offically debunked and exposed as a fraud. Once exposed he will waste away.

It is better to get involved in this now then have it lead into another "Sai Baba" type.

Most reasonable people can see through this guy however when people still see the ABC news footage they debate whether this guy is legit or not because there has been no investigative report about this man. JREF has the platform, resources, and respect that is needed to wake some of the people up falling for this ridiculous hoax.

I do not feel exposing him as a fraud would be promoting him as you eluded too in your post.

There is a "something" in his claim, and doesn't that "something" have to do with taking advantage of people, scamming them and spewing his biased and hateful religious agenda by hoaxing ufo sightings... much is at stake.

Best,
Ed
 
It is definitely worse to reject Yahweh's claim so that he can say that the JREF does not dare to test him, than exposing his bluff publicly.

But do make sure that helium ballons will not pass as UFO's (though as long as they are unidentified as helium balloons they will actually UFO's).
 
KRAMER said:
Yeah, folks. I am not happy about accepting this claim. And Randi is not happy with me for my "high moral" position.

It's moral in part, but it's also a practical concern. This claim is a complete and utter waste of our limited time and resources.

Please argue this with me if you believe me to be wrong.
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This is actually a tricky one.

I agree totally with your view Kramer that it does the JREF no good to be testing such stupid claims.

But having said that, if this idiot is actually becoming quote renowned then offering to test him might possibly be constructive.

Hopefully if you can pin him down to exactly what he is claiming to be able to do, and what specifically he is summoning then he will withdraw of his own volition.

Ask him specifically if what he is summoning is a spececraft built and piloted by creatures from another world.
See is he will define exactly what he means by UFOs (because obviously I could summon a UFO tomorrow in the literal sense of the meaning - but it wouldn't be alien).
Get him to do the work of making it explicitly a paranormal claim.

Then if he continues I guess you'll have to follow the claim up. Regrettably.

But to be honest is his claim any more ludicrous than Paul Carey's? And that was agreed to.
Is it really fair to make judgements betwen the different levels of ludicrousnes of claims?

Personally I thought the Angela Patel claim was every bit as silly and a waste of time as this guy, but they all deserve to be tested if the challenge is there.
And I see where Randi is coming from in that the better known an applicant is the more relevant testing their claim is.

Finally steenkh's point is a good one - people will always get mileage out of not being tested by the JREF - look at the breatharian nonsense.
Randi refuses to test someone offering to starve themselves, and somehow he is made to look like the villain!

I don't think Yahweh/Watkins is expecting you to say yes, so it'll be interesting to see his reaction if you do.

And maybe just one person who might have believed his idiocy will be dissuaded by his failure to complete the JREF challenge.
Surely it'd be worth it for that?
 
I believe this is an application that has to go forward. Prophet Yahweh is ridiculous and his claim of paranormal abilities has no merit -- but is he really any more of a fraud than John Edwards or Sylvia Browne?

Push to get a test. But make sure it's a test that can't be passed with cheap tricks. He will fail. The bigger the press circus he makes out of it, the more damning his failure will be. He's probably smart enough that he won't walk into a test knowing he'll be exposed as a fraud, so he'll try to avoid a test. Don't let him claim you refused to test him. That's what he and his believers want. You've got to run straight at him and play chicken. He can't pass the test and if/when he swerves to avoid being exposed, you have to make it clear that HE was the one afraid of the test.
 
Well Shut My Mouth

It's gotta be tested. I've changed my mind.

The idea (found herein) about having another News Team there to debunk it with us, and having it in an area where we can surround the vicinity with investigators looking for the guy releasing the balloons is just SO great. It's spectacular.

If we can make this happen in such a way as to catch this fraudulent dork red-handed, we HAVE to do it.

And shut my mouth - I just received certified, stamped copies of his birth certificate (Ramon Watkins), his change-of-name legal papers (Prophet Yahweh) and his Social Security card and Nevada ID bearing his new name.

This means we cannot call him Ramon. He must call him by his legal name; Prophet Yahweh.

Sigh.
 
Kramer, get a news chopper on stand by with a cam on board, and most of them are equipped with a gyro cam on front, very powerful..


Great! :D
 
Re: Well Shut My Mouth

KRAMER said:
And shut my mouth - I just received certified, stamped copies of his birth certificate (Ramon Watkins), his change-of-name legal papers (Prophet Yahweh) and his Social Security card and Nevada ID bearing his new name.

This means we cannot call him Ramon. He must call him by his legal name; Prophet Yahweh.

Sigh.
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No, no, Kramer... this is great! Wonderful!!! Just make absolutely sure that you always use his full name and call him....

"Mr. Prophet Yahweh"

Say it a few times and you'll get the effect.

"Mr. Prophet Yahweh claims to be able to call UFO's at will."
or
"Mr. Prophet Yahweh has been negotiating protocols with us."

etc.

What a great way to "de-mystify" the aura about the word "Prophet"... since it's not a title, but his NAME. :D

(Love the chopper idea by edjunior - even better than zoom lenses. :))
 
Helicoptors are actually at the front of my mind, as one crashed not 200 yards away from me yesterday, but I assumed that the airspace restrictions over LV would make using one impractical.

On checking, I believe I was in error. KVBC (NBC affiliate) and KLAS (CBS) both operate choppers for traffic and for newsgathering. If they've got the airspace flexibility to do traffic I have to imagine they can track a balloon.

Good luck!
 
I've send an email to Prophet Yahweh and posted it in the Applications thread.
 
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