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He has to be tested, it is the JREF mission to educate and debunk.
Where is the protocol to discuss it?
Where is the protocol to discuss it?
The PROPHET YAHWEH, Maker of UFO's
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Bodhi Dharma Zen
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I can suggest a radio controled airplane, with a camera attached, I already suggested a telescope with high resolution camera, and the team of people in the surroundings sounds good.
The place should be picked by the JREF, as this guy says he can "summon" them at will.
The place should be picked by the JREF, as this guy says he can "summon" them at will.
Ripley Twenty-Nine
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I am so happy to see this guy tested.
He hides behind religion and claims that he has taken a vow of poverty for Yahweh, yet he also lists himself in the Media/Entertainment field and that his income is > $150,000. He also charges $8 per person on his website to view his UFO summonings.
I hope he accepts the test in January with Randi present... That would just be too cool.
However, I'm having a psychic moment here... I see... Prophet Yahweh... He's sending an E-Mail back to Kramer... He's telling him that he is only summoning until July 15th and can't guarantee a summoning for Janary..
He hides behind religion and claims that he has taken a vow of poverty for Yahweh, yet he also lists himself in the Media/Entertainment field and that his income is > $150,000. He also charges $8 per person on his website to view his UFO summonings.
I hope he accepts the test in January with Randi present... That would just be too cool.
However, I'm having a psychic moment here... I see... Prophet Yahweh... He's sending an E-Mail back to Kramer... He's telling him that he is only summoning until July 15th and can't guarantee a summoning for Janary..
It Gets Better...
What I love the most is his concerns about whether or not it will be windy on the day of the test.
Yeah, those UFO's can be really finnicky when the wind kicks up.
Unbelievable. I can only hope that he doesn't see this thread.
So whaddaya say, folks? A Challenge test taking place at TAM4???!!!! Can it be????
p.s. Don't ask me why, but somehow I neglected to post his claim letter. Check the Application thread in about an hour and it'll be there...not sure how I neglected to do that.
What I love the most is his concerns about whether or not it will be windy on the day of the test.
Yeah, those UFO's can be really finnicky when the wind kicks up.
Unbelievable. I can only hope that he doesn't see this thread.
So whaddaya say, folks? A Challenge test taking place at TAM4???!!!! Can it be????
p.s. Don't ask me why, but somehow I neglected to post his claim letter. Check the Application thread in about an hour and it'll be there...not sure how I neglected to do that.
I agree Ripley. Hey if Yahweh wins, he and his wife and many girlfriends will be rich. Take a look http://brothersandsistersforpolygamy.com/ , the lady in the pic is his wife, Angel(a) Yahweh.....
Re: It Gets Better...
Heck, yeah, everyone knows that interstellar hyperdrives and in-system impulse engines are finicky when the wind kicks up.
Regarding him reading this thread... doubt it. I don't think he cares all that much.
KRAMER said:
Heck, yeah, everyone knows that interstellar hyperdrives and in-system impulse engines are finicky when the wind kicks up.
Regarding him reading this thread... doubt it. I don't think he cares all that much.
KRAMER, you're a genius. If you pull this off, well I dunno what. But man-o-Manischewitz do I ever have to get out to TAM. Wonder if I can convince B&H to loan me a 600 mm lens...
As regards the wind, I heard him on the radio the other day. He actually has a pretty good excuse, uh, reason for that. He says the wind kicks up stuff and you never know what kind of junk might be up there just because of the wind. In low wind, you can be confident that the UFO is his!
As regards the wind, I heard him on the radio the other day. He actually has a pretty good excuse, uh, reason for that. He says the wind kicks up stuff and you never know what kind of junk might be up there just because of the wind. In low wind, you can be confident that the UFO is his!
KRAMER said:
Sorry for my ignorance, I am to excited about this.
If some of you have not read this interesting email, check it out. It was sent to me from a member of my spoof group, I believe he said he use to be friends with the guy who wrote the email, it was sent to Prophet Yahweh and his reply is at the bottom.
Best,
Ed
EMAIL:
Don waldrop wrote:Haaaaaa. This guy is the loony who calls himself "Prophet Yahweh" which
is just about as presumptious and self-aggrandizing as you can get.
He lived in L.A. until about 6 or 7 years ago and then moved to Las Vegas after we at MUFON L.A. didn't give him "no respect." We listened to his claims until we couldn't stand it anymore and agreed to set up a testso he could prove his abilities.
We all went to a park in Van Nuys with our cameras and binoculars --
Bill Casey brought his 6" telescope. Mark Hunziker had his broadcast
quality Beta-Cam, I had my Hi-8. Saundra was there with her 20/10
vision.
The Reverend Yahweh went through his prayers and pleadings and,
ultimately, we all spotted the UFO that he conjured up!!!
His eyes are evidently lacking the high resolution that our
equipment and even my eyes could had. The UFO he pointed to as his
success was a Ralph's Grocery plastic bag, inflated by the wind and
probably sent up by an accomplice several hundred yards away. Of
course Yahweh was praising God and Jesus for their help. We gave
him chance after chance to come up with a real one and finally we
folded
up shop. Not long after that he moved to Las Vegas.
It looks like he may have come up with a better bag. Maybe this one
doesn't
have the store logo on it.
'nuff said.
Don
Hi,And, yes it was true in a way.The bag incident was only one part of the summoning.
The second summoning worked, my people saw it.But, they did not.As for MUFON LA not giving me respect.That is a lie!They were the only people I have ever come to who respected me, listened to me, and gave me a chance to summon.I will never forget the kindness that Bill Casey and MUFON Los Angeles showed me, and if it was ever anyone who I would tell to go to inorder to find out about UFOs, it is them! I can wait to be around them for what I saw was the most sincere people I have ever met in the UFO field.I cherish my day with them, and they are the only good memory I have in ufology.
Sincerely,
PY
SezMe
post-pre-born
Just wanted to add my kudos for your handling of this matter so far. Excellent, clear, professional correspondence. You 'dun yourself proud, Kramer.
SpaceFluffer
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The amount of agreement on this challenge application is making me somewhat nervous, I have to admit. It seems clear that this guy is either unhinged or a fraud (or both), but I think that we have to be very careful indeed in testing something of this nature.
There are many ways for him to claim a 'summuning' (using his spelling)...is that the same as a summoning, I wonder? Anyway, due to the nature of the test - large area, many people around, etc. it seems like it would be too easy for him to fake something in a way that we're not expecting.
Our inability to place sufficient controls on the situation place us in an uncomfortable position, IMO. Just because he's used balloons in the past doesn't mean he'll try that this time, and just because he seems like a lunatic doesn't mean he can't think. We should consider every aspect of this test carefully.
There are many ways for him to claim a 'summuning' (using his spelling)...is that the same as a summoning, I wonder? Anyway, due to the nature of the test - large area, many people around, etc. it seems like it would be too easy for him to fake something in a way that we're not expecting.
Our inability to place sufficient controls on the situation place us in an uncomfortable position, IMO. Just because he's used balloons in the past doesn't mean he'll try that this time, and just because he seems like a lunatic doesn't mean he can't think. We should consider every aspect of this test carefully.
I'd just like to draw attention to this, from Proph's most recent e-mail:
A speck in the sky is a UFO. Whatever this guy comes up with needs to be identifiable as a spaceship, or it does not count.
And I don't like the official summoning site, either. What's his rationale for that--his alien buddies can find Earth from across the galaxy, but they can't find him unless he's at home?
Please note that his first Protocol said only that he would summon a "UFO," but he is now using the term "spaceship." Make sure that's the way it reads in the final Protocol.
A speck in the sky is a UFO. Whatever this guy comes up with needs to be identifiable as a spaceship, or it does not count.
And I don't like the official summoning site, either. What's his rationale for that--his alien buddies can find Earth from across the galaxy, but they can't find him unless he's at home?
Man, you get too busy with work to check the forum for ONE DAY and all hell breaks loose. I'm licking my chops over this one.
While I echo some of the sentiments expressed concerning the logistics and situational "control", the setup is simply too good to ignore, like a hanging curve ball.
Should the test proceed, this is a reasonably decent opportunity for JREF in the publicity department (the relative lightweight nature of this challenge notwithstanding) and with almost no down side. The prize is of course safe, and if any shenanegins are afoot the JREF is uniquely stacked with talent in the detection of same. About the only convincing demonstration one could pull off would be a massive illusion.
Anyone have a suggestion as to the right subject matter expert from JREF for that analysis?
If Yaweh fails, maybe we could get TC Albin to make up the double header with a few clouds over Nevada!
While I echo some of the sentiments expressed concerning the logistics and situational "control", the setup is simply too good to ignore, like a hanging curve ball.
Should the test proceed, this is a reasonably decent opportunity for JREF in the publicity department (the relative lightweight nature of this challenge notwithstanding) and with almost no down side. The prize is of course safe, and if any shenanegins are afoot the JREF is uniquely stacked with talent in the detection of same. About the only convincing demonstration one could pull off would be a massive illusion.
Anyone have a suggestion as to the right subject matter expert from JREF for that analysis?
If Yaweh fails, maybe we could get TC Albin to make up the double header with a few clouds over Nevada!
One wonders... are P&T still making new episodes of Bullsh*t? The not-inconsiderable resources of Showtime brought to bear in the boys' now-hometown might present some good entertainment opportunities. Betcha they could scare up some NASA-quality observation equipment.kraatz said: