The Oldest Religious Structures & Ancient Aliens?

Actually it was the Atlanteans who did themselves in, they forgot to invent pottery and stone tools and starved to death.
 
Hans said:
Actually it was the Atlanteans who did themselves in, they forgot to invent pottery and stone tools and starved to death.
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That will teach a society advanced enough to invent custard but too self absorbed to invent anything to put it in
 
More seriously (but yes it was finally making sense) all civilizations produced tool stones and almost all produced pottery - a whole, whole lot of it, yet these world traveling Atlanteans produced '0'........truly a puzzlement!
 
Atlantean Nu Mu Woo? They are the unworthy and blind while I'm an associated deputy minion (lackey 3rd class) of the incomparable Marduk.
 
edge said:
I read somewhere that he might have done it.

Here’s what I think, an advanced culture disappeared during the Ice Age, and its survivors gained footholds throughout the world, establishing ancient cultures like the Egyptians, the Maya and the Easter Islanders.
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And why did it disappear?

Do you know anything about the ice ages?

Seriously, this advanced civiklization, they only built where the glaciers came and they were so advanced they did not see the glaciers coming at inches per year? "Here come the glaciers, lets lie down and wait a hundred years for them to run us over."

You do know that a lot of the surface was not covered in ice during the last ice age?

So where is the evidence of this advanced civilzation?
 
Seriously, this advanced civiklization, they only built where the glaciers came and they were so advanced they did not see the glaciers coming at inches per year? "Here come the glaciers, lets lie down and wait a hundred years for them to run us over."

You do know that a lot of the surface was not covered in ice during the last ice age?
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It's even worse than this. Glacial morrains are a favorite place for geologists to work--particularly Quaternary geologists. We've poked and prodded and analyzed just about every morrain we can poke and prod and analyze, and have consistently failed to find any remains of any ancient civilization. No advanced tools, no exotic materials (steel, bronze, or the like, or even high concentrations of pyrite or hematite in areas without iron-rich bedrock), nothing other than the ground-up remains of bedrock. The thing is, glaciers are like tornados--they're random. Sometimes they'll rip apart an entire island, and sometimes they'll preserve delicate little mineral assemblages. And morrains include a huge variety of clast sizes--it's one of their defining features. Glancing around my desk I can see a half-dozen examples of cobble-sized materials that would easily survive being deposited in a terminal morrain. The other types are less energetic, and thus less erosive.

So, not only are there all those problems Dancing David mentioned, even if there weren't edge's idea STILL wouldn't have ANY data, and would contradict a huge number of studies.
 
The only civilization that matters right now is my Greek Civ. Right now I gotta get Oslo back from Napoleon =\
 
edge said:
I read somewhere that he might have done it.

Here’s what I think, an advanced culture disappeared during the Ice Age, and its survivors gained footholds throughout the world, establishing ancient cultures like the Egyptians, the Maya and the Easter Islanders.

http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/louxsie/pyramidrant.htmlI read somewhere that he might have done it.

Here’s what I think, an advanced culture disappeared during the Ice Age, and its survivors gained footholds throughout the world, establishing ancient cultures like the Egyptians, the Maya and the Easter Islanders.

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Let me start by examining some hard facts which nobody can dispute, and looking in turn at what these facts might represent or mean:
1. The Great Pyramid (known as that of Khufu/Cheops) contains no Pharaoh's body, no
treasure chamber, and no treasures. There is no indication that it ever has contained these things. The popular myth of the Pyramids being royal tombs is clearly nonsense. The tombs archaeology has accepted – those in the Valleys of the Kings and Queens – are obviously tombs, storehouses of the Pharaoh's earthly riches, intricately prepared to ensure his survival in the next world. The Great Pyramid contains none of the obvious trappings of a tomb.
2. The only reason it is known as the Khufu/Cheops Pyramid at all is due to some Victorian graffiti! When Colonel Howard Vyse blasted his way into the Great Pyramid he was determined to make his name as an Egyptologist. He longed for nothing more than to make some monumental discovery which would make him famous. His disappointment at finding the Pyramid empty was too much for him to bear – it was his last season in Egypt – and in the dead of night it is said that he crept up into the 'air shafts' (known as 'spirit stones' to the Egyptians) above the King's Chamber and daubed some hieroglyphs in red paint. The following morning he made his 'discovery' and subsequently earned his place in the history books as being the man who discovered the identity of the owner of the Great Pyramid!
It is worth mentioning in addition that the symbols he painted were not even accurate ones for the period in which the Pyramid was then believed to have been built. The symbol for 'Ra' – chief amongst the Egyptian gods at that time – was depicted wrongly. Now surely if an Egyptian had painted that symbol he would have got it right! Not to do so would have been a grave insult to the most highly respected and feared of the Egyptian pantheon.
There is in fact documentary evidence – from Sumerian clay tablets unearthed in the great historical library of Nineveh – that the Great Pyramid was known to the Sumerians of 10,000 years ago, 6000 years before the first Pharaoh of Egypt was even born!
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http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/louxsie/pyramidrant.html

I know myself she's got a few things wrong here but not all.
I know now they have found a cemetery of workers but no telling with all the structures what they were working on except that there were lots of bodily injuries.
The more I search the more I find out.
Since you seem to fancy yourself as such an expert then in bold what’s your opinion?

I know myself she's got a few things wrong here but not all.
I know now they have found a cemetery of workers but no telling with all the structures what they were working on except that there were lots of bodily injuries.
The more I search the more I find out.
Since you seem to fancy yourself as such an expert then in bold what’s your opinion?
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Well if you did read somewhere that Al - Manun did the quarry marks doesn't that indicate that whoever said that was utterly clueless. Egyptian Hieroglyphs stopped being used as a understandable writing system by 400 A.D. Before then for a period of about 2 centuries the system was in decline with less and less evidence of it being used in its Hieroglyphic or Demotic versions. Egyptian was being written more and more using a variation of the Greek Alphabet. So by the tinme of Al - Manun Hierpglyphs were unreadable and would remain so until Champollon. People for over a thousand years had the delusional idea that Egyptian Hieroglyphs didn't reproduce a language but were entirely ideagrams. That was wrong. So it is unlikely anyone in Al - Manun's time could write them.

Further as been mentioned above these brief inscriptions were found in vaults above the main burial chamber in the GP that were not entered until the late 1820's!

As for the Easter Islanders well first of all they are not an "ancient" culture. The statutes were erected after 1000 A.D., further the island was settled 400-700 A.D. THe archaeological evidence is conclusive on that. Oh and the islanders are quite adament that the statutes were erected by their ancestors and in fact the statutes were figures of their ancestors. WE know a great deal about how the startutes were sculpted, moved and erected. One native of Easter Island showed Thor Hyerdahl how the statutes were erected!

I note that both Egyptian civilization and Easter Island culture was established many thousands of years after the end of the ice age. Those refugees were moving around for thousands of years before settling down?

As for the Maya again many thousands of years after the end of the ice age.

That statement about Vyse can best be characterized as a lie. It is utterly false. By the way inscriptions have been found in the upper chamber that go around corners into the minute spaces between blocks! Just how did Vyse do that! Further since when Vyse explored the upper chambers Khufu's name could not be read how could he forge it? The points made in this quote are all false and dubious and go back to Z. Stichin and his nonsense books. Translated he made it up.

Oh and there is other evidence that Khufu built it. For example the Egytians claimed from the earliest time that he built it. There are references to the pyramid as Khufu's property. Secondly materials found in the pyramid have been dated to c. 2600 B.C.E., which fits in with Khufu's reign. And we have found stones in a nearby quarry shaped similar to those in the GP that have quarry marks like those found in the GP that have Khufu's name on them.

The later Egyotians were quite adament that Imhotep, Vizier to King Zoser built the first pyramid, the step pyramid at Saquarra and that all other pyramids were later. THey do not credit space aliens or culture bearers or a lost civilization.
 
The only reason it is known as the Khufu/Cheops Pyramid at all is due to some Victorian graffiti!
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Oh my.....tsk tsk, may I suggest you read the ancient writers, say Herodotus? He stated that the pyramid of Cheops (by name) was made as the tomb of said Pharoah......he wrote that around 440 BC.

The myth that the pyramids were built by someone other than the Ancient Egyptian and not as tombs is fairly modern invention. It has no basis in fact.
 
Hans said:
Oh my.....tsk tsk, may I suggest you read the ancient writers, say Herodotus? He stated that the pyramid of Cheops (by name) was made as the tomb of said Pharoah......he wrote that around 440 BC.

The myth that the pyramids were built by someone other than the Ancient Egyptian and not as tombs is fairly modern invention. It has no basis in fact.
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Victorian graffiti?



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AHt-xwfw (Akhet Khufu) - Khufu's Horizon​
 
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Marduk said:
,...you meant that the walls inside the pyramid weren't illustrated like some other pyramids with pyramid texts
NEWSFLASH, no pyramid has any glyph decoration on the walls until the fifth dynasty, the GP is from the fourth dynasty. Thats because in those days the pyramids had a Mortuary temple outside where rituals were carried out to support the dead king in the afterlife, those temple walls were covered in glyphs
so what you're saying is "wow, theres no glyphs in a pyramid which was built when no pyramids had glyphs"
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Thanks, Marduk, I didn't know that.


Hans said:
Sorry I missed this thread until now

One of the ways the AE avoided spoiling their ceiling with soot was to either; cover the ceiling and upper walls with mud, once the work was done the dried mud - with the soot attached was wash or scrubbed away, or they installed a wooden framework which held up a fabric to cover the ceiling, it was removed once the work was done. The AE also used oil from the castor seed that produces a remarkably small amount of soot.
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And Hans, thanks. The facts are so much more interesting than the fiction!

edge said:
I read somewhere that he might have done it.

Here’s what I think, an advanced culture disappeared during the Ice Age, and its survivors gained footholds throughout the world, establishing ancient cultures like the Egyptians, the Maya and the Easter Islanders....
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Which Ice Age?
Aah, Dinwar answered this one. Great post, Dinwar.

Anyway, edge, why do you think the Easter Islanders had an ancient culture?
 
Dinwar said:
It's even worse than this. Glacial morrains are a favorite place for geologists to work--particularly Quaternary geologists. We've poked and prodded and analyzed just about every morrain we can poke and prod and analyze, and have consistently failed to find any remains of any ancient civilization. No advanced tools, no exotic materials (steel, bronze, or the like, or even high concentrations of pyrite or hematite in areas without iron-rich bedrock), nothing other than the ground-up remains of bedrock. The thing is, glaciers are like tornados--they're random. Sometimes they'll rip apart an entire island, and sometimes they'll preserve delicate little mineral assemblages. And morrains include a huge variety of clast sizes--it's one of their defining features. Glancing around my desk I can see a half-dozen examples of cobble-sized materials that would easily survive being deposited in a terminal morrain. The other types are less energetic, and thus less erosive.

So, not only are there all those problems Dancing David mentioned, even if there weren't edge's idea STILL wouldn't have ANY data, and would contradict a huge number of studies.
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They are common around here, often eroded and a great place to find fossils.
 
pakeha said:
Thanks, Marduk, I didn't know that.




And Hans, thanks. The facts are so much more interesting than the fiction!



Which Ice Age?
Aah, Dinwar answered this one. Great post, Dinwar.

Anyway, edge, why do you think the Easter Islanders had an ancient culture?
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Because there is more of that island that is underwater now, which wasn't just 12,000 years or so, no telling what we'll find there, if they ever look.
 
edge said:
pakeha said:
Anyway, edge, why do you think the Easter Islanders had an ancient culture?
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Because there is more of that island that is underwater now, which wasn't just 12,000 years or so, no telling what we'll find there, if they ever look.
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Claiming knowledge of an ancient civilisation without a scintilla of evidence is bad enough, edge, but to explain that your knowledge is based on the fact that nobody has ever looked in your claimed location is quite absurd.


BTW, will you be mentioning the Easter Island Pyramid? Seems a shame to leave it out.
 
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