The Oldest Religious Structures & Ancient Aliens?

[Marduk]

First the soot didn't come from the Egyptians but from others, who open tombs and pyramids at a later date.
If we are to believe that they used olive oil for their lamps because they burn with out a soot residue

Olive oil wasn't used in Egypt until some 500 years after the GP was built, even then it wasn't widely used as it had to be imported and was expensive
iirc the originator of the "no soot" rubbish was Zechariah Sitchin when he was claiming that the GP was built as a prison for the Alien god Bel Marduk. The tombs of Egypt are covered in soot even Al Mamun who was the first to break into the GP noted torch marks

There are no hieroglyphics in the great pyramid and no mummies were found there.

There are some very well attested glyphs in the GP left on the blocks by the work crews who left them there, one of them "the friends of Khufu" were found in the relieving chambers above the kings chamber which wasn't accessible until modern egyptologists broke through the ceiling. But you weren't talking about that were you, you meant that the walls inside the pyramid weren't illustrated like some other pyramids with pyramid texts
NEWSFLASH, no pyramid has any glyph decoration on the walls until the fifth dynasty, the GP is from the fourth dynasty. Thats because in those days the pyramids had a Mortuary temple outside where rituals were carried out to support the dead king in the afterlife, those temple walls were covered in glyphs
so what you're saying is "wow, theres no glyphs in a pyramid which was built when no pyramids had glyphs"

you could dry out your knowledge of the ancient world and fertilise your lawn with it Edge

But I'd like to know, what is it about a building with a burial chamber and a sarcophagus which stands in the middle of a necropolis that says to you "not a tomb". If this is another of those bs "Egyptians didn't build it" claims then you're probably not aware of the hundreds of radio carbon dates gathered which are all from the Egyptian period

 

[edge]

You are truly unbelievable - boundless ignorance.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Cheops

Some have said these are a sort of schematics, explaining the part of the pyramid they, the workers were working on, but if you can read them please do tell us what they are saying.

 

[Akhenaten]

They say "edge had no idea what he was talking about when he said there were no hieroglyphics[sic] in the Great Pyramid and now he's frantically trying to move the goalposts"

 

[Hellbound]

They say "edge had no idea what he was talking about when he said there were no hieroglyphics[sic] in the Great Pyramid and now he's frantically trying to move the goalposts"

Really? We must be using a different key. I'm getting "For a good time, call Bast"

 

[edge]

Olive oil wasn't used in Egypt until some 500 years after the GP was built, even then it wasn't widely used as it had to be imported and was expensive
iirc the originator of the "no soot" rubbish was Zechariah Sitchin when he was claiming that the GP was built as a prison for the Alien god Bel Marduk. The tombs of Egypt are covered in soot even Al Mamun who was the first to break into the GP noted torch marks


There are some very well attested glyphs in the GP left on the blocks by the work crews who left them there, one of them "the friends of Khufu" were found in the relieving chambers above the kings chamber which wasn't accessible until modern egyptologists broke through the ceiling. But you weren't talking about that were you, you meant that the walls inside the pyramid weren't illustrated like some other pyramids with pyramid texts
NEWSFLASH, no pyramid has any glyph decoration on the walls until the fifth dynasty, the GP is from the fourth dynasty. Thats because in those days the pyramids had a Mortuary temple outside where rituals were carried out to support the dead king in the afterlife, those temple walls were covered in glyphs
so what you're saying is "wow, theres no glyphs in a pyramid which was built when no pyramids had glyphs"

you could dry out your knowledge of the ancient world and fertilise your lawn with it Edge

But I'd like to know, what is it about a building with a burial chamber and a sarcophagus which stands in the middle of a necropolis that says to you "not a tomb". If this is another of those bs "Egyptians didn't build it" claims then you're probably not aware of the hundreds of radio carbon dates gathered which are all from the Egyptian period

I believe the only glyphs on or in the GP are from Al Mamun.
I am not going to return an insult with an insult.

 

[MG1962]

"Egyptians didn't build it" claims then you're probably not aware of the hundreds of radio carbon dates gathered which are all from the Egyptian period

And thats an important point. If aliens came down and did all this showboating with stone, why didn't the Egyptians write it down?

 

[DC]

As said before, these were spiritual temples also.
Lots of what they did involved mediation and such, which involve seeing something you all wouldn't know about.

From my point of view they were right about Orion because I know about meditation and how to achieve what they did what gave them insight and the knowledge.

The fringe theme is that the pyramid was the power plant.


Some of wht they have to say runs along the same lines as Tessla theorys and that is free power from the field of the Earth.

Don't let Edison and J.P. Morgan fool you.

aaah isee woo energy devices, cool, how many Bedini engine are you running? and how much did you invest in Perendev magnet motors?

 

[dafydd]

Some have said these are a sort of schematics, explaining the part of the pyramid they, the workers were working on, but if you can read them please do tell us what they are saying.

'Give it up edge,you lose'

 

[Marduk]

I believe the only glyphs on or in the GP are from Al Mamun.
.

oh really, then can you explain how Al Mamun
1. learned a language that no one had understood for 1400 years
2. broke through the ceiling into the relieving chambers to write the glyphs and then seamlessly repaired the damage, we're talking about an obstacle here that required dynamite to break through in the 19th century
3. why Al Mamun would pretend to be an egyptian quarry team who constructed the building.

I am not going to return an insult with an insult.

translation, I have no answer to your facts which prove me wrong so I'm going to be intellectually dishonest and pretend I've been insulted (classic Edge)

 

[Elizabeth I]

Some have said these are a sort of schematics, explaining the part of the pyramid they, the workers were working on, but if you can read them please do tell us what they are saying.

I didn't say I could read them. You said there were no hieroglyphics and I pointed out that you were wrong.

 

[Hans]

Sorry I missed this thread until now

One of the ways the AE avoided spoiling their ceiling with soot was to either; cover the ceiling and upper walls with mud, once the work was done the dried mud - with the soot attached was wash or scrubbed away, or they installed a wooden framework which held up a fabric to cover the ceiling, it was removed once the work was done. The AE also used oil from the castor seed that produces a remarkably small amount of soot.

 

[Maddparrot]

They’re being obnoxious, but you’re right.
It seems to me that an advance culture might have been cruising around and starting new places, sites, settled for a while then kept expanding because of the similarity with all these sacred places.

Engineers say they would have a difficult time building the larger structures.
I find this all fascinating and I like the different theories.


Foster asked a while back:
First they are tombs or a burial pyramids where the great pyramid isn’t, no mummies found there.
It’s obvious that the different dynasties tried different building techniques.
The other one may just have been built that way on propose, all for different parts of worship and rituals,.
I get this from some one whose generation has lived there from the beginning.
Some of the lesser-known sites go back way further in the timeline also.
What’s interesting is what the locals believe about it all.

Then we have this,
Crystal Altar of Abu Garab

http://www.cboulter.com/~tourism/Abu Garab/index.htm

The size of the vein of quartz they cut this from must have been amazing.
Under the lid there is suppose to be a tunnel that goes down to the Aquifer.

The locals say there was a great knowledge that was lost further back than most all the foreign archeologists say the age of these sites really are.
That information has been passed down from their ancestors through their lineage.
They are in agreement with what you would call the fringe scientists and archeologists.

So it makes me wonder.
I looked at this link: http://www.peterthomson.co.uk/ancients/liftingjack.html

That probably explains the bent pyramid.
They defiantly knew things that took us thousands of years to re-learn.

It took me a while to find this structure.
Woo calls it a 'crystal' quartz alter.
To me it did not look like that, and at best could be milky quartz.
I was just as wrong.
It's white alabaster.
Also it's an offering table near Niuserre' sun temple.
My reference: http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/suntemples.htm

 

[edge]

oh really, then can you explain how Al Mamun
1. learned a language that no one had understood for 1400 years
2. broke through the ceiling into the relieving chambers to write the glyphs and then seamlessly repaired the damage, we're talking about an obstacle here that required dynamite to break through in the 19th century
3. why Al Mamun would pretend to be an egyptian quarry team who constructed the building.


translation, I have no answer to your facts which prove me wrong so I'm going to be intellectually dishonest and pretend I've been insulted (classic Edge)

I read somewhere that he might have done it.

Here’s what I think, an advanced culture disappeared during the Ice Age, and its survivors gained footholds throughout the world, establishing ancient cultures like the Egyptians, the Maya and the Easter Islanders.

Let me start by examining some hard facts which nobody can dispute, and looking in turn at what these facts might represent or mean:
1. The Great Pyramid (known as that of Khufu/Cheops) contains no Pharaoh's body, no treasure chamber, and no treasures. There is no indication that it ever has contained these things. The popular myth of the Pyramids being royal tombs is clearly nonsense. The tombs archaeology has accepted – those in the Valleys of the Kings and Queens – are obviously tombs, storehouses of the Pharaoh's earthly riches, intricately prepared to ensure his survival in the next world. The Great Pyramid contains none of the obvious trappings of a tomb.
2. The only reason it is known as the Khufu/Cheops Pyramid at all is due to some Victorian graffiti! When Colonel Howard Vyse blasted his way into the Great Pyramid he was determined to make his name as an Egyptologist. He longed for nothing more than to make some monumental discovery which would make him famous. His disappointment at finding the Pyramid empty was too much for him to bear – it was his last season in Egypt – and in the dead of night it is said that he crept up into the 'air shafts' (known as 'spirit stones' to the Egyptians) above the King's Chamber and daubed some hieroglyphs in red paint. The following morning he made his 'discovery' and subsequently earned his place in the history books as being the man who discovered the identity of the owner of the Great Pyramid!
It is worth mentioning in addition that the symbols he painted were not even accurate ones for the period in which the Pyramid was then believed to have been built. The symbol for 'Ra' – chief amongst the Egyptian gods at that time – was depicted wrongly. Now surely if an Egyptian had painted that symbol he would have got it right! Not to do so would have been a grave insult to the most highly respected and feared of the Egyptian pantheon.
There is in fact documentary evidence – from Sumerian clay tablets unearthed in the great historical library of Nineveh – that the Great Pyramid was known to the Sumerians of 10,000 years ago, 6000 years before the first Pharaoh of Egypt was even born!

http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/louxsie/pyramidrant.html



I know myself she's got a few things wrong here but not all.
I know now they have found a cemetery of workers but no telling with all the structures what they were working on except that there were lots of bodily injuries.
The more I search the more I find out.
Since you seem to fancy yourself as such an expert then in bold what’s your opinion?

 

[edge]

And thats an important point. If aliens came down and did all this showboating with stone, why didn't the Egyptians write it down?

An advanced civilization may have built them before, don't know if there was aliens. Except that one picture I posted.
Don't know if it's real but I sure would like to see in real time for myself.


Exactly they didn't write it down.
They were fanatics about documentation.

 

[Hans]

There is in fact documentary evidence – from Sumerian clay tablets unearthed in the great historical library of Nineveh – that the Great Pyramid was known to the Sumerians of 10,000 years ago, 6000 years before the first Pharaoh of Egypt was even born!

Nope, no such record exists, if you believe it does please cite it. There were no Sumerians 10,000 years ago so that kinda makes the claim moot doesn't it?

Explain how Al Mamum would have done it?

Here’s what I think, an advanced culture disappeared during the Ice Age, and its survivors gained footholds throughout the world, establishing ancient cultures like the Egyptians, the Maya and the Easter Islanders.

No sign of such a culture and where were they for the thousands of years before the rise of the AE culture and many more thousands of years until the Maya arose then another thousand years until EI arrived?

You might want to do some reading on the neolithic cultures of the Nile valley

 

[MG1962]

I read somewhere that he might have done it.

Here’s what I think, an advanced culture disappeared during the Ice Age, and its survivors gained footholds throughout the world, establishing ancient cultures like the Egyptians, the Maya and the Easter Islanders.

That makes no sense. If this 'culture' existed and built the pyramids, what drove them away from that area. We know the climate changed across North Africa but the Egyptians settled and grew their cuture where they did because they could.

 

[Akhenaten]

And thats an important point. If aliens came down and did all this showboating with stone, why didn't the Egyptians write it down?

An advanced civilization may have built them before, don't know if there was aliens. Except that one picture I posted.

An advanced civilisation that may or may not have been aliens, the only evidence for which is an unspecified picture that you posted at some stage.

How could anyone possibly doubt the truth of such a well thought out and meticulously researched thesis?

Don't know if it's real but I sure would like to see in real time for myself.

Are we supposed to guess what the hell you're talking about?

Will there be prizes?

Exactly they didn't write it down.

I assume you mean "Why didn't the Egyptians write down an account of all the alien-built stuff they found?"

Have you given any thought at all to the most obvious answer to that, or did you just go straight to "OMG! Aliens!" more or less at random?

They were fanatics about documentation.

And?

 

[Hans]

They were fanatics about documentation.

Care to support that?

Just to add to this 'documentation', about 4% of the inscription from Rome have come down to us and much much less than 1% of the written material. I haven't seen a recent estimate of the amount of 'documentation' that has come down from the AE but it would be a tiny, tiny amount so as so little exists how can you make the comment that they were 'fanatics about documentation' they were rather stressed out about religion.....however

 

[Akhenaten]

That makes no sense. If this 'culture' existed and built the pyramids, what drove them away from that area. We know the climate changed across North Africa but the Egyptians settled and grew their cuture where they did because they could.

They were wiped out by the Atlanteans, who then returned to Atlantis because they'd forgotten to bring their sunscreen, but they never made it back to Egypt because the Lemurians blew up Atlantis just before they moved into their secret bases beneath the Antarctic ice.

 

[MG1962]

They were wiped out by the Atlanteans, who then returned to Atlantis because they'd forgotten to bring their sunscreen, but they never made it back to Egypt because the Lemurians blew up Atlantis just before they moved into their secret bases beneath the Antarctic ice.

Okay I just want to get this straight. Was this before or after the Wandjina people appeared. Now with these Lemurian's where they the original Nazis who conquered Germany, or did the Nazis just take over their bases before flying to the Moon?