The Oldest Religious Structures & Ancient Aliens?

edge said:
Up until the 14th century people thought the world was flat.
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Is this really the best thing you can come up with on the subject of long lost knowlege brought from the stars? I'm actually disappointed. I've learned a great deal hunting out articles and so on connected to the OP.
Some of the things which have been posted up have widened my understanding of the past considerably. I was interested in learning more and am sorry to have been fobbed off with that tired old chestnut of the 'flat earth'.
Still, other things may turn up in the thread.

edge said:
...Here’s a link that will show you what we did.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85571

Plus is dowsing relevant to this discussion?
I can tie it with what Zecharia Sitchin and Erich von Däniken have written about, so yes, but it will be a long read.
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I read those links in their entirety before posting. I rather think the last word on dowsing is on Youtube.
I refer to the video where Randi debunks dowsing quite thoroughly in Oz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqoYrSd94kA

However, edge, you are in your rights to question the relevancy of dowsing here, of course.
If you want to post about it in relation to Zecharia Sitchin and Erich von Däniken you can be sure I'll read it.
 
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Marduk said:
yes, thats why he called the Natives of a land no one knew was there, Indians

no wait
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There is some interesting data that suggests he may have known a little more about what he was going to encounter than we think
 
Dinwar said:
Norse legends?
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No well after that. English fishermen were working the Grand Banks possibly as early as the 1330's

I read an article in the Smithonian where a review was being undertaken of Irish trading vessels in the early 1400's. Seems their load tallies dont add up, and their journeys were unusually long.

There is also a map published before Columbus sailed that showed the traditional mythical island Antillia. What is odd is the normal South - North alignment of the island is changed to East - West and the fabled 7 cities removed. Doing this gives the island a definate 'Haiti' look
 
MG1962 said:
There is some interesting data that suggests he may have known a little more about what he was going to encounter than we think
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Well it is possible that Columbus may have known about the Norse stories of Vinland. however the idea rthat some maps show a distorted image of Haiti is rather unlikely, esspecially since this Antilla is shown with cities which Haiti did not have at the time. Mythical islands in the Atlantic had been a trope of Medieval lore for many centuries, for example the island of Brazil. They may reflect extremely distorted memories of Atlantic islands and possibly parts of North America. The stuff your referring to regarding Irish voyages is in fact voyages from Bristol, the Irish ports at the time have practically no records that survived. The interpretation of the data is problematic given that Bristol was notorious at the time for being place for smugglers and pirates.

As for Columbus "knowing" more. Well perhaps as mentioned above he knew of the Norse Vinland stories, but if you mean he knew of lands that were not part of Asia that is unlikely in the extreme. Colombus' log of his first voyage is replent with mentions of this or that being part of China, of looking for the Grand Khan of Cathay, of Japan, of the Indies being a little bit further sailing away etc., etc. Columbis' subsequent voyages the logs, letters, reports are filled with references of getting to China. Even on his last voyage Colubus' logs and reports indicate he thought he was close to China. In fact when, by this time, others suggested this was not part of China, or the Indies, Columbus vhemently denied those claims and insisted he had discovered Asia and was close to Indies, Cathay. There is no evidence whatseoever that Columbus thought that he was going to anywhere except Asia. Further the evidence is until his dying day Columbus thought he had found Asia on his voyage.
 
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edge said:
Flying the Saqqara Bird

Located roughly 20 miles south of Cairo, it is home to the world-famous step pyramid of King Djoser. Dating back more than 4,000 years, it is the oldest of Egypt’s 97 pyramids. Saqqara is also famous for being one of Egypt’s oldest burial grounds, earning it the nickname “City of the Dead.”
It was here, in 1891, that French archeologists unearthed an ancient tomb containing the burial remains of Pa-di-Imen, an official from the third century BC. Among the various items discovered was a small wooden model of what appeared to be a bird, lying beside a papyrus bearing the inscription: “I want to fly.”


from here:
http://www.ancientaliensblog.com/20-saqqara-bird-or-a-ancient-plane.html

And the con to that here:by Martin Gregorie


http://www.catchpenny.org/birdtest.html
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What is the purpose of this post? What are you trying to illustrate, prove or assert?
 
Ladewig said:
What is the purpose of this post? What are you trying to illustrate, prove or assert?
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He's trying to illustrate, prove and assert that he has nothing to illustrate, prove or assert.


And Edge there is nothing special about the triangle. The whole thing was made up by a fraudster.
 
edge said:
Nowhere did I mention Columbus, but what the hey, he did record some bizarre things that happened along the way.

http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/html/columbus.html
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You did mention the flat Earth, edge, and claimed people thought the Earth was flat til the 14th century.
So we've been discussing the subject.
And surprise, surprise, Columbus gets mentioned.

Anyway, it seems Mudcat is right yet again on the Bermuda Triangle.
http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2007/jan/25/triangle-mystery-doesnt-stand-up-to-scrutiny/

From the article
The late Charles Berlitz ’36, polyglot and heir to the eponymous language empire, authored an utterly sensationalist expose titled “The Bermuda Triangle” in 1974, in which he posited time travel, dimensional portals, alien abduction and Atlantis as possible explanations for disappearing craft. This book — in all its wildly embellished, Bigfoot-citing glory — sold over 20 million copies and is widely credited with seeding public fascination with the triangle.
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pakeha said:
You did mention the flat Earth, edge, and claimed people thought the Earth was flat til the 14th century.
So we've been discussing the subject.
And surprise, surprise, Columbus gets mentioned.

Anyway, it seems Mudcat is right yet again on the Bermuda Triangle.
http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2007/jan/25/triangle-mystery-doesnt-stand-up-to-scrutiny/

From the article
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Heck the atheists claim that ignorant Christians are taught this from the bible so flat earthers have been around for many centuries according to you all.

There are passages in the Bible that coincide with scientific principles that weren't discovered by scientists until hundreds of years after the Bible had been written.
Source: http://www.bible.ca/b-science-evidences.htm

1. The Bible said the earth is round and is suspended in space:


The Bible revealed that the earth is round. Job 26:10, Prov 8:27, Isaiah 40:22, Amos 9:6...
The people of the fifteenth century who feared sailing because they thought they would fall over the edge of the flat earth. Yet the Bible revealed the truth in 1000 B.C. 2500 years before man discovered it for himself!

In various verses, the Bible says the earth is round and hangs in space. It took a long time for science to catch up and reach the same conclusions. Copernicus made the discovery in 1475. But the Bible always knew. Here are two related Bible verses that were written more than 2500 years ago, and more than 1000 years before Copernicus:

"He sits on throne above the circle of the earth..." (Isaiah 40:22,NIV). (By the way, the Hebrew language at that time did not have a word for "sphere," only for "circle.")
So lets see:
21Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

22It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
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"He spreads out the northern [skies] over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing" (Job 26:7, NIV).

Currents in the oceans known:
6 [a](A)Blowing toward the south,
Then turning toward the north,
The wind continues swirling along;
And on its circular courses the wind returns.
7 All the rivers [c]flow into the sea,
Yet the sea is not full.
To the place where the rivers [d]flow,
There they [e]flow again.

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You do know that there are people who think the earth is flat.
That is old stuff, though.
The really funny stuff is in the Hollow Earth.
 
Maddparrot said:
You do know that there are people who think the earth is flat.
That is old stuff, though.
The really funny stuff is in the Hollow Earth.
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Yep I know.
There are many people who deliberately want to be contrary to what is established and established with out a doubt, without evidence.
Then there are many who see more from the real evidence which, in many ways can also be established to an extent, as in how did they lift and cut these blocks with exact accuracy for fitting together.
Like how did they cut holes in stones with out diamond tipped drills, things like that?

How their myths legends become prophesy that came true?


Seems to by a cycle that is 6000 years and 10,000 years in repetition and we are going to find out if it’s true, soon.
 
I'm still failing to understand why people think the ancient people needed alien help, and why either aliens or god are needed for evolution.
 
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