The Oldest Religious Structures & Ancient Aliens?

[Dancing David]

No.

Queen Nefertiti went forwards in time.

 

[Dancing David]

The Clovas people just suddenlt disappear also plus the y weren't the first.

No they don't, assertion pile.

Edge I am very concerned for your health, your posts have been deteriorating , please get help if you are sick.

 

[Akhenaten]

Queen Nefertiti went forwards in time.

 

[Dinwar]

Fraud, I never said that at all.
A basement, well then you win.
And yes that's about all they'll find slabs and basements everywhere.
Highlighted above do you think that number is correct?
I doubt the pyrimids will last that long.
Unless this happens:
Video simulation: what would happen if a meteor hit the earth?

You DID say that nothing humans built today will last that long. I'm lazy, and don't want to go through all the lies in your posts to find it. At any rate, yes, I do think that the number is correct. I've seen what happens to glass after a few million years--some of it may devitrify, but a lot of it remains. Our more resiliant alloys will survive much longer.

The pyramids will last a long, long time. They may not be recognizable as what we know today, but they're pretty big, I'm pretty confident that erosion won'teliminate them any time soon.

As for meteor impacts, I already know what'll happen. Used to study the K/Pg impact (and still poke around at the literature). The recent finds of reefs in Austria, Spain, and Italy tend to indicate that we've over-estimated the amount of damage the event caused--there was at least a few sanctuaries. And given the fact that humans adapt our environment to suit ourselves, I doubt a meteor impact would be as devistating as people think. It'd still be horrifyingly bad, don't get me wrong, but the evidence suggests that we'd survive.

there was never any credible evidence for it, the clovis people didn't vanish, the megafauna didn't die out and the comet hypothesis never made it to the theory stage.

Man, I had forgotten all about the comet hypothesis. Talk about old-school! Currently there are three main hypotheses for the Pleistocene megafuanal extinction: overkill, superdisease, and climate change. Most main-stream researchers in the Mojave area (check out Eric Scott's work--I disagree with some of his stratigraphic interpretations, but his paleontology is spot-on) currently believe it's a combination of stress from the ice ages ending and overkill; superdisease has lost a lot of favor (and is, in my opinion, complete garbage--we have multiple occurances of invasions from one continent to another, with no associated diseases that wipe out multiple taxa). If someone still thinks that a comet caused the Pleistocene megafaunal die-off, they simply haven't looked at the current evidence. That's not putting science in a box, that's simply matching theory with reality.

 

[MikeSun5]

Why in thwe world would you not accept what our geart great great,ECT. grandfathers have said?
And grandmothers?

Darwin is 195 or more years old you still believe him?

Can't have it both ways, edge. Darwin was a grandfather. Why in the world would you not accept what he said?

 

[edge]

Can't have it both ways, edge. Darwin was a grandfather. Why in the world would you not accept what he said?

Finsend gave me this link:
14 episodes they will automatically play consecutively.
This is basically a neutral look at the evidences.
Still doesn’t answer the question of the early advancement or where did they get the advanced knowledge to do so much with so little.

Graham Hancock - Quest for the Lost Civilization (1 of 14)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amqlYJsbr54&playnext=1&list=PL288E7533E7CE5EA7
@ Mikesun5
To answer your question.
First off, I have been shown that this is a world that is spiritual.
Now scientist are also seeing this and being chastised for their wisdom because what they see is that it doesn't answer the question of how life started especially the question of where did the information come from to guide cells.
If you take it all the way down to the basics and from the beginning we are left with three choices, God, another planet, and the least likely slime.
Take your pick.
Without getting off topic too much we'll leave it there because there are many more reasons.

 

[Maddparrot]

They (the ancient people) did not need any 'advanced beings' to show them how to do anything.
Some clever people probably figured it all out.
We do not need a supernatural origin, or an alien one.
Neither really answer any questions.
The aliensdidit also brings up more questions.
Such as how did they come into being?

Supernatural causes were fine for our ancestors, who had no idea how the world worked.
We on the other hand have no excuse for such lazy thinking.
Yes, I consider it lazy thinking as all one does to a question is say 'aliensdidit' or 'goddidit' without finding out more.

 

[edge]

You DID say that nothing humans built today will last that long. I'm lazy, and don't want to go through all the lies in your posts to find it. At any rate, yes, I do think that the number is correct. I've seen what happens to glass after a few million years--some of it may devitrify, but a lot of it remains. Our more resiliant alloys will survive much longer.

The pyramids will last a long, long time. They may not be recognizable as what we know today, but they're pretty big, I'm pretty confident that erosion won'teliminate them any time soon.

As for meteor impacts, I already know what'll happen. Used to study the K/Pg impact (and still poke around at the literature). The recent finds of reefs in Austria, Spain, and Italy tend to indicate that we've over-estimated the amount of damage the event caused--there was at least a few sanctuaries. And given the fact that humans adapt our environment to suit ourselves, I doubt a meteor impact would be as devistating as people think. It'd still be horrifyingly bad, don't get me wrong, but the evidence suggests that we'd survive. Man, I had forgotten all about the comet hypothesis. Talk about old-school! Currently there are three main hypotheses for the Pleistocene megafuanal extinction: overkill, superdisease, and climate change. Most main-stream researchers in the Mojave area (check out Eric Scott's work--I disagree with some of his stratigraphic interpretations, but his paleontology is spot-on) currently believe it's a combination of stress from the ice ages ending and overkill; superdisease has lost a lot of favor (and is, in my opinion, complete garbage--we have multiple occurances of invasions from one continent to another, with no associated diseases that wipe out multiple taxa). If someone still thinks that a comet caused the Pleistocene megafaunal die-off, they simply haven't looked at the current evidence. That's not putting science in a box, that's simply matching theory with reality.

We might depends on the size of the impact, and it's been proven there was a bottle neck in the past of our survival.


In bolding above:
Then why is there two separate camps of scientist with one that is chastised for bringing new information to the table?
Simply said they are being fired and blacklisted for new evidences that for instance… Darwinism is false?
Isn't the truth more important?
Science=
Why would you not debate rather than Censor new information and then treat them like cold war witch hunters like governments have done, kind of radical isn't it?
Killing someone’s career makes it obvious some are not willing to keep looking.
Just like looking at the evedence that in this very OP.

 

[Jon.]

Still doesn’t answer the question of the early advancement or where did they get the advanced knowledge to do so much with so little.

That's because, as many others have told you over and over, there is no such question.

We might depends on the size of the impact, and it's been proven there was a bottle neck in the past of our survival.

Do you know the cause of the "bottle neck"? Please explain what you consider to have been the cause, showing that you understand what the "bottle neck" means.

Then why is there two separate camps of scientist with one that is chastised for bringing new information to the table?
Simply said they are being fired and blacklisted for new evidences that for instance… Darwinism is false?

Evidence of "two separate camps of scientists", one of which is "chastised for bringing new information to the table" and "fired and blacklisted for new evidences," please? Please emphasize the "new information" and "new evidences" provided by these scientists, rather than their personal beliefs regarding evolution. NB: This might be done better in a new thread.

 

[Lucian]

Finsend gave me this link:
14 episodes they will automatically play consecutively.
This is basically a neutral look at the evidences.
Still doesn’t answer the question of the early advancement or where did they get the advanced knowledge to do so much with so little.

Graham Hancock - Quest for the Lost Civilization (1 of 14)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amqlYJsbr54&playnext=1&list=PL288E7533E7CE5EA7
@ Mikesun5
To answer your question.
First off, I have been shown that this is a world that is spiritual.
Now scientist are also seeing this and being chastised for their wisdom because what they see is that it doesn't answer the question of how life started especially the question of where did the information come from to guide cells.
If you take it all the way down to the basics and from the beginning we are left with three choices, God, another planet, and the least likely slime.
Take your pick.
Without getting off topic too much we'll leave it there because there are many more reasons.

A "neutral" look at the evidence from Graham Hancock?! Would this be the same Graham Handcock who wrote the idiocy known as Fingerprints of the Gods or different Graham Hancock?

 

[Marduk]

A "neutral" look at the evidence from Graham Hancock?! Would this be the same Graham Handcock who wrote the idiocy known as Fingerprints of the Gods or different Graham Hancock?

gonna have to stop you there, true it was published as Fingerprints of the Gods, but its much more accurate to call it Fingerpaints of the Gods


The BBC described Hancock as "an intellectual fraudster who had put forward half baked theories and ideas in bad faith, and that he was incompetent to defend his own arguments".

so Edge using him for support is at least a step in the right direction from anything he's posted previously

 

[MG1962]

They (the ancient people) did not need any 'advanced beings' to show them how to do anything.
Some clever people probably figured it all out.
We do not need a supernatural origin, or an alien one.
Neither really answer any questions.
The aliensdidit also brings up more questions.
Such as how did they come into being?

Supernatural causes were fine for our ancestors, who had no idea how the world worked.
We on the other hand have no excuse for such lazy thinking.
Yes, I consider it lazy thinking as all one does to a question is say 'aliensdidit' or 'goddidit' without finding out more.

One has to wonder how in 1000 years - Shuttle launches will be viewed

 

[Foster Zygote]

Simply said they are being fired and blacklisted for new evidences that for instance… Darwinism is false?

I don't suppose that you have evidence that this is really happening? And please don't link to Expelled.

 

[Mudcat]

It'll be as "hard" as the evidence for his dowsing abilities

Dowsing abilities? What are his particular claims about it?

Note: I know that dowsing is normally supposed to find water, but I heard claims of people saying they can use it to find gold, oil, diamonds and other precious resources. Heard one claim that it can even find unmarked graves.

 

[dafydd]

Dowsing abilities? What are his particular claims about it?

Note: I know that dowsing is normally supposed to find water, but I heard claims of people saying they can use it to find gold, oil, diamonds and other precious resources. Heard one claim that it can even find unmarked graves.

Edge discovered that he could not dowse. No reflection on him,nobody can.

 

[Filippo Lippi]

He went up for the million dollar prize. His performance was laughable.

 

[Mudcat]

Edge discovered that he could not dowse. No reflection on him,nobody can.

No surprise there, but I hardly think that Edge would own up to it though.

I was asking Filippo Lippi what particular claims Edge had made about dowsing abilities because Filippo Lippi's post (that I had quoted) made it sound like to me that Edge had made some claims to have some particular dowsing ability.

Was only asking so I could have some laughs at Edge's expense.

He went up for the million dollar prize. His performance was laughable.

And I ask again, what was his claim about Dowsing? Is his attempt cataloged somewhere where I can see it?

I could use the laugh.

 

[Dinwar]

Then why is there two separate camps of scientist with one that is chastised for bringing new information to the table?

There's not. There's serious scientists who look at actual data, and there's crackpots who refuse to look at data and the context of that data.

Simply said they are being fired and blacklisted for new evidences that for instance… Darwinism is false?
Isn't the truth more important?

Evolution has never been shown to be false. Incomplete, yes--but not false, and not incomplete in the ways you're going to assume. And they're not being blacklisted for providing new evidence, but rather for ignoring the tonnes (meant literally in archeo and paleo fields) of evidence.

Why would you not debate rather than Censor new information and then treat them like cold war witch hunters like governments have done, kind of radical isn't it?

You refuse to play by the rules of the game. Publish these "discoveries" in a peer-reviewed journal, then we'll talk. Learn the context of archeology/paleontology, then we'll talk. Until then, you're a crackpot who doesn't know enough to have an informed opinion here.

Killing someone’s career makes it obvious some are not willing to keep looking.

Suicide isn't murder. If you do bad science, your career dies. Do you have ANY idea how science works? We LOVE debate, and there's no penalty for providing evidence that contradicts the current paradigm. If you do, you simply need to provide sufficient data, of sufficient quality. Crying and moaning that it's not fair is childish and doesn't work.

Just like looking at the evedence that in this very OP.

Why should I bother? You've insulted many of my friends (you do so in this post), you've refused to look at anything said by anyone who disagrees with you, and in general acted like you were entitled to our agreement. No. There are rules, and minimum standards that you, and those you cite, have not met. Until you do, you have nothing to say.

 

[ddt]

And I ask again, what was his claim about Dowsing? Is his attempt cataloged somewhere where I can see it?

I could use the laugh.

The Million Dollar Challenge subforum is for informally discussing claims; edge discusses his claim in this long (39 page) thread. Knowing edge's posting style, I haven't even started to peruse the thread.

Then, you'll find a thread in the Challenge Applications subforum for those who actually advance to also filing their claim with the JREF, but I've not yet figured out which one would be edge. This one maybe? I've seen no application since May 2006 (the start of the above mentioned thread) of a dowser which actually resulted in testing.

ETA: upon reading the thread, yes, that's edge's second application.

 

[MikeSun5]

First off, I have been shown that this is a world that is spiritual.

Fair enough. I have been shown the opposite. We can agree to disagree.

If you take it all the way down to the basics and from the beginning we are left with three choices, God, another planet, and the least likely slime.
Take your pick.

The problem with your belief is that you're merely deflecting the "Where do we come from?" question. Who made the aliens? Where are they from? Who made God? Where did he come from? ...and so on.

As far as your 3 choices, that's really a pretty limited number. There could be quite a few explanations. I thought you spiritualists were supposed to have an open mind...