The Oldest Religious Structures & Ancient Aliens?

[Elizabeth I]

Wrong! Just because there are two camps does not mean that they are equally valid. For instance, someone in 1857 could have said, "if the slavery thing really were immoral there wouldn't be two camps on the matter - each with its own supporting literature." Second, there really aren't even two camps on this issue. There is the factual approach and there is a cottage industry in which charlatans and self-deluded people write books that grossly misstate what has occurred. The factual approach involves peer-review. The charlatan approach involves popular TV shows and internet blogs.

...and that technique so beloved by the deluded and their deluders the world over: Just Asking Questions. "Could it be that Queen Nefertiri was really Queen Elizabeth I of England traveling back in time?" "Did Boss Tweed's cat startle Mrs. Murphy's cow into kicking over the lantern and starting the Chicago fire?" "Was the eruption of Krakatoa really the fires of a giant spaceship launching itself back into the galaxy?"

Never any answers, though

 

[Complexity]

I find it pretty interesting.

The problem, edge, is that you find everything pretty interesting.

You have absolutely no plausibility or possibility filters - everything imaginable seems equally likely to you, except the possibility of your being wrong.

 

[Mudcat]

I think Edge has gone off the deep end now, well and truly.

Edge, human beings built those structures without any help from ETs. That is the only possible possibility and what makes those structures so awe inspiring, so awesome, so interesting.

As to ETs visiting us? I honestly don't know, maybe they have, certainly more plausible than the existence of some god. I don't think it very likely, but I'm inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt until I see reliable evidence one way or the other.

 

[Dinwar]

...and that technique so beloved by the deluded and their deluders the world over: Just Asking Questions. "Could it be that Queen Nefertiri was really Queen Elizabeth I of England traveling back in time?" "Did Boss Tweed's cat startle Mrs. Murphy's cow into kicking over the lantern and starting the Chicago fire?" "Was the eruption of Krakatoa really the fires of a giant spaceship launching itself back into the galaxy?"

Never any answers, though

It's a bad sign when you don't realize Eric Cartman is supposed to be a parody....

 

[Akhenaten]

...and that technique so beloved by the deluded and their deluders the world over: Just Asking Questions. "Could it be that Queen Nefertiri was really Queen Elizabeth I of England traveling back in time?" "Did Boss Tweed's cat startle Mrs. Murphy's cow into kicking over the lantern and starting the Chicago fire?" "Was the eruption of Krakatoa really the fires of a giant spaceship launching itself back into the galaxy?"

Never any answers, though

No.

 

[edge]

Got anything from a peer-reviewed journal? Also, when accusing people of fraud it's considered polite to point to specific occurances. If you're going to accuse actual human beings (people I work with) of fraud, you'd better be able to back it up.

Bull. There are all kinds of things humans have built in the past, oh, 50 years or so that'll last millions of years. Ever dig a basement or foundation? That's permanent. You neither understand archeology nor taphonomy, thus your conclusions are necessarily wrong.

ETA: Also, I find it curious that anyone is surprised that ancient peoples seem to mention large floods 10,000 years ago. This was roughly the transition from the Pleistocene to the Holocene--from a glacial age to an interglacial. Flooding was common. A lot of ice dams were bursting, a lot of runnoff was coming off the glaciers, and in general there was a lot of hydrolic activity at the time. I doubt that all, or even most, ancient peoples have flood myths, but the presence of a handful from 10ka isn't surprising in the least.

Fraud, I never said that at all.
A basement, well then you win.
And yes that's about all they'll find slabs and basements everywhere.
Highlighted above do you think that number is correct?
I doubt the pyrimids will last that long.
Unless this happens:
Video simulation: what would happen if a meteor hit the earth?

The link: As the title implies, this is a video simulation of what could possibly happen if and when such an event may occur. Food for thought. Hit the read more link.


http://thecrit.com/2008/09/04/video-simulation-what-would-happen-if-a-meteor-hit-the-earth/#more-203

Exploding Asteroid Theory Gains Evidence
by Nancy Atkinson on July 7, 2008

http://www.universetoday.com/15423/exploding-asteroid-theory-gains-evidence/

Geological evidence found in Ohio and Indiana in recent weeks is strengthening the case to attribute what happened 12,900 years ago in North America -- when the end of the last Ice Age unexpectedly turned into a phase of extinction for animals and humans -- to a cataclysmic comet or asteroid explosion over top of Canada.

http://www.physorg.com/news134233301.html

 

[Marduk]

I don't think it very likely, but I'm inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt until I see reliable evidence one way or the other.

interesting idea, what sort of evidence would suggest they haven't been here ?


btw edge the clovis comet never got beyond hypothesis, your links are three years out of date,
heres why
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100929171815.htm
http://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2009/6123.html
http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091012/full/news.2009.997.html
http://www.phenomenica.com/2009/12/no-proof-found-for-meteorite-impact.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091214151946.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11142304
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas_impact_hypothesis#Criticisms_of_the_hypothesis

 

[edge]

where is your evidence for the existence of a flood story written by the Sumerian civilisation?

I have only ever heard of the existence of a flood story written during the Akkadian period, which was fictionally set during Sumerian times, around 3500bce

so thats not evidence of a flood 7000 years earlier is it, unless youre as bad at math as you are at history, if you were a little better at history you'd have realised that even that flood story was based on an earlier flood story where the flooding was only local and not global.

so these other cultures that experienced the same disaster
list them

Native American Indians for one comes to mind.
The Clovas people just suddenlt disappear also plus the y weren't the first.
Index by Region
•Europe
◦Greek, Arcadian, Samothrace ◦Roman ◦Scandinavian, German ◦Celtic, Welsh ◦Lithuanian, Transylvanian Gypsy ◦Turkey •Near East
◦Sumerian ◦Egypt, Babylonian, Assyrian, Chaldean, Hebrew, Islamic ◦Persian, Zoroastrian •Africa
◦Cameroon ◦Masai (East Africa), Komililo Nandi, Kwaya (Lake Victoria) ◦Southwest Tanzania, Pygmy, Ababua (northern Zaire), Kikuyu (Kenya), Bakongo (west Zaire), Bachokwe? (southern Zaire), Lower Congo, Basonge, Bena-Lulua (Congo River, southeast Zaire)
◦Yoruba (southwest Nigeria), Efik-Ibibio (Nigeria), Ekoi (Nigeria) ◦Mandingo (Ivory Coast) •Asia
◦Vogul ◦Samoyed (north Siberia) ◦Yenisey-Ostyak (north central Siberia), Kamchadale (northeast Siberia) ◦Altaic (central Asia), Tuvinian (Soyot) (north of Mongolia)
◦Mongolia, Buryat (eastern Siberia) ◦Sagaiye (eastern Siberia) ◦Russian ◦Hindu, Bhil (central India), Kamar (Raipur District, Central India), Assam ◦Tamil (southern India) ◦Lepcha (Sikkim), Tibet, Singpho (Assam), Lushai (Assam), Lisu (northwest Yunnan, China), Lolo (southwestern China), Jino (southern Yunnan, China), Karen (Burma), Chingpaw (Upper Burma) ◦China ◦Korea ◦Munda (north-central India), Santal (Bengal), Ho (southwestern Bengal) ◦Bahnar (Cochin China), Kammu (northern Thailand) ◦Andaman Islands (Bay of Bengal) ◦Zhuang (China), Sui (southern Guizhou, China), Shan (Burma) ◦Tsuwo (Formosa interior), Bunun (Formosa interior), Ami (eastern Taiwan) ◦Benua-Jakun (Malay Peninsula), Kelantan (Malay Peninsula), Ifugao (Philippines), Kiangan Ifugao, Atá (Philippines), Mandaya (Philippines), Tinguian (Luzon, Philippines) ◦Batak (Sumatra), Nias (an island west of Sumatra), Engano (another island west of Sumatra), Dusun (British North Borneo), Dyak (Borneo), Ot-Danom (Dutch Borneo), Toradja (central Celebes), Alfoor (between Celebes and New Guinea), Rotti (southwest of Timor), Nage (Flores) •Australia
◦Arnhem Land (northern Northern Territory) ◦Maung (Goulburn Islands, Arnhem Land), Gunwinggu (northern Arnhem Land)
◦Gumaidj (Arnhem Land) ◦Manger (Arnhem Land) ◦Fitzroy River area (Western Australia) ◦Australian, Mount Elliot (coastal Queensland), Western Australia, Andingari (South Australia), Wiranggu (South Australia), Narrinyeri (South Australia), Victoria, Lake Tyres (Victoria), Kurnai (Gippsland, Victoria), southeast Australian ◦Maori (New Zealand) •Pacific Islands
◦Kabadi (New Guinea), Valman (northern New Guinea), Mamberao River (Irian Jaya), Samo-Kubo (western Papua New Guinea), Papua New Guinea ◦Palau Islands (Micronesia), western Carolines ◦New Hebrides, Lifou (one of the Loyalty Islands), Fiji ◦Samoa, Nanumanga (Tuvalu, South Pacific), Mangaia (Cook Islands), Rakaanga (Cook Islands), Raiatea (Leeward Group, French Polynesia), Tahiti, Hawaii •North America
◦Innuit, Eskimo (Orowignarak, Alaska), Norton Sound Eskimo, Central Eskimo, Tchiglit Eskimo (Arctic Ocean), Herschel Island Eskimo, Netsilik Eskimo, Greenlander ◦Tlingit (southern Alaska coast), Hareskin (Alaska), Tinneh (Alaska and south), Loucheux (Dindjie) (Alaska), Dogrib and Slave (Tinneh tribes), Kaska (northern inland British Columbia), Thompson Indians (British Columbia), Sarcee (Alberta), Tsetsaut ◦Haida (Queen Charlotte Is., British Columbia), Tsimshian (British Columbia) ◦Kwakiutl (British Columbia) ◦Kootenay (southeast British Columbia), Squamish (British Columbia), Bella Coola (British Columbia), Lillooet (Green River, British Columbia), Makah (Cape Flattery, Washington), Klallam (northwest Washington), Skokomish (Washington), Skagit (Washington), Quillayute (Washington), Nisqually (Washington), Twana (Puget Sound, Washington), Kathlamet ◦Cascade Mountains ◦Spokana, Nez Perce, Cayuse (eastern Washington), Yakima (Washington), Warm Springs (Oregon), Joshua (southern Oregon), Smith River (northern California coast), Wintu (north central California), Maidu (central California), Northern Miwok (central California), Tuleyome Miwok (near Clear Lake, California), Olamentko Miwok (Bodega Bay, California) Ohlone (San Francisco to Monterey, California) ◦Kato (Mendocino County, California) ◦Shasta (northern California interior), Pomo (north central California), Salinan (California), Yuma (western Arizona, southern California), Havasupai (lower Colorado River) ◦Ashochimi (California) ◦Yurok (north California coast), Blackfoot (Alberta and Montana), Cree (Canada), Timagami Ojibway (Canada), Chippewa (Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin), Ottawa, Menomini (Wisconsin-Michigan border), Cheyenne (Minnesota), Yellowstone, Montagnais (northern Gulf of St. Lawrence), Micmac (eastern Maritime Canada), Algonquin (upper Ottowa River), Lenape (Delaware) (Delaware to New York) ◦Cherokee (Great Lakes area; eastern Tennessee) ◦Mandan (North Dakota), Lakota ◦Choctaw (Mississippi), Natchez (Lower Mississippi) ◦Chitimacha (Southern Louisiana) ◦Caddo (Oklahoma, Arkansas), Pawnee (Nebraska) ◦Navajo (Four Corners area), Jicarilla Apache (northeastern New Mexico) ◦Sia (northeast Arizona) ◦Acagchemem (near San Juan Capistrano, California), Luiseño (Southern California), Pima (southwest Arizona), Papago (Arizona), Hopi (northeast Arizona), Zuni (New Mexico) •Central America
◦Tarascan (northern Michoacan, Mexico), Michoacan (Mexico) ◦Yaqui (Sonoran, Northern Mexico), Tarahumara (Northern Mexico), Huichol (western Mexico), Cora (east of the Huichols), Tepecano (southeast of the Huichols), Tepehua (eastern Mexico), Toltec (Mexico), Nahua (central Mexico), Tlaxcalan (central Mexico) ◦Tlapanec (south central Mexico), Mixtec (northern Oaxaca, Mexico), Zapotec (Oaxaca, southern Mexico), Trique (Oaxaca, southern Mexico) ◦Totonac (eastern Mexico) ◦Chol (southern Mexico), Tzeltal (Chiapas, southern Mexico), Quiché (Guatemala), Maya (southern Mexico and Guatemala) ◦Popoluca (Veracruz, Mexico) ◦Nicaragua, Panama ◦Carib (Antilles) •South America
◦Acawai (Orinoco), Arekuna (Guyana), Makiritare (Venezuela), Macusi (British Guyana) ◦Muysca (Colombia), Yaruro (southern Venezuela) ◦Yanomamö (southern Venezuela) ◦Tamanaque (Orinoco), Arawak (Guyana), Pamary, Abedery, and Kataushy (Purus R., Brazil), Ipurina (Upper Amazon) ◦Jivaro (eastern Ecuador), Shuar (Andes) ◦Murato (eastern Ecuador) ◦Cañari (Quito, Ecuador) ◦Guanca and Chiquito (Peru) ◦Ancasmarca (near Cuzco, Peru), Canelos Quechua, Quechua, Inca (Peru), Colla (high Andes) ◦Chiriguano (southeast Bolivia) ◦Chorote (Eastern Paraguay) ◦Eastern Brazil (Rio de Janiero region), Eastern Brazil (Cape Frio region), Caraya (Araguaia River, central Brazil), Coroado (south Brazil) ◦Araucania (coastal Chile) ◦Toba (northern Argentina) ◦Selk'nam (southern tip of Argentina) ◦Yamana (Tierra del Fuego)

Taken from here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html

you can go here if you think they over did it;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths
for this:
Contents [hide]
1 West Asia and Europe
1.1 Ancient Near East
1.1.1 Sumerian
1.1.2 Babylonian (Epic of Gilgamesh)
1.1.3 Noah's flood
1.2 Classical Antiquity
1.3 Medieval Europe
1.3.1 Germanic
1.3.2 Irish
1.4 Modern era folklore
1.4.1 Finnish
2 Africa
2.1 Maasai People
2.2 Egypt (book of the dead)
3 Asia-Pacific
3.1 India
3.2 Andaman Islands (India)
3.3 China
3.4 Malaysia
3.5 Lao (Indochina)
3.6 Oceania
3.6.1 Australia
3.6.2 Polynesia
4 Americas
4.1 North America
4.2 Mesoamerica
4.3 South America
4.3.1 Inca
4.3.2 Mapuche
4.3.3 Muisca

Seems like you guys like your science in a little neat box?
Why in thwe world would you not accept what our geart great great,ECT. grandfathers have said?
And grandmothers?

First you want us to believe your take and that's cool because a lot of what is known and learned is good but to claim that's all there is ridicules.

Clovis People Not First Americans, Study Shows so what happened to them?
The so-called Clovis people, known for their distinctive spearheads, were not the first humans to set foot in the Americas after all, a new study says.

The find supports growing archaeological evidence found in recent years that disputes the notion that the Americas were originally populated by a single migration of people from Asia about 13,000 years ago.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070223-first-americans.html

In yellow, funny that, prove that it was fictional.
I think I just proved it wasn't, unless the whole of the human race are insane.

 

[edge]

Why?
Why do you doubt that a culture would exaggerate?
Why do you doubt that a culture would make drawings that were more artistic than realistic?
Why do you doubt that a culture would use symbolism to convey ideas?
Why would a culture not carve fiction into a stone?

.....................

So, Edge. Is there any evidence we can present to you that will even slightly reduce your beliefs about these ancient sites and ancient events? Or are you so certain that you have the truth that nothing we can show you will sway you from your beliefs?

Because they tell us in their writings what was going on that you all will not accept, I know two things that there are others and this is a spiritual world and this has been proven to me over and over again in many ways.
Why you all are so scared of this I'll never know?

 

[edge]

Three posts in a row spewing out unrelated tidbits of trash.

Other than "OMG look at that" do you have any arguments?

Apparently you don't!
Ancient cities under the oceans, doesn't tell you something?
I believe they coincide with the timeline that I am trying to get you to see.

 

[edge]

interesting idea, what sort of evidence would suggest they haven't been here ?


btw edge the clovis comet never got beyond hypothesis, your links are three years out of date,
heres why
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100929171815.htm
http://www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2009/6123.html
http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091012/full/news.2009.997.html
http://www.phenomenica.com/2009/12/no-proof-found-for-meteorite-impact.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091214151946.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11142304
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas_impact_hypothesis#Criticisms_of_the_hypothesis

So your first link, But Holliday and Meltzer dispute those claims.
So what, the evedence is there and these two disput it?
Darwin is 195 or more years old you still believe him?
Putting science in a nice neat little box just doesn't cut it for me.
There's tons of proof for the impact theory, don't kid yourself.

 

[edge]

See ya tomorrow.

 

[slingblade]

Edge...people who live near water have flood stories. That's not, nor ever has been, in dispute.

But the geologic record doesn't support evidence of a uniform global flood event.

Edge, did you know that the earth's water never goes away? That the water we have now is the same water we've always had? It only changes form. It can be locked away in the form of ice, or temporarily re-disbursed as mist or steam or fog or rain, but we still have all the water we've ever had.

So, if there was a global flood, with enough water to cover the mountaintops, and that would include Everest...then where is it?

 

[Mudcat]

interesting idea, what sort of evidence would suggest they haven't been here ?

Point well taken. I think if we don't find intelligent life capable of inter-stellar travel within the local star group than that would be evidence enough.

I have difficulties believing that they would be able to find a developing society much further out than that without us having more advanced technology than what we currently have now (coincidentally this is one reason why I think the SETI program, while we intentioned, is a wasted effort).

Let me make this absolutely clear though though: I don't think we've been visited, period. Weather they were just here to observe a developing society or to interfere with society.

If someone wants to convince me otherwise they're gonna have to present some hard evidence.

 

[Vortigern99]

[snip HUGE block of unsourced claims]

you can go here if you think they over did it;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths
for this: [snip wiki's list of cultures with Flood myths]

Taking one of those at random, the Ancient Greek Flood Myths, yields this critical gem:

The theory of the flood in the Aegean Basin proposes that a great flood occurred at the end of the Late Pleistocene or beginning of the Holocene. The Holocene is a geological period that began approximately 11,550 calendar years BP (or about 9600 BCE) and continues to the present. This flood would coincide with the end of the last ice age, estimated at approximately 10,000 years ago, when the sea level rose as much as 130 metres, particularly during Meltwater pulse 1A when sea level rose by about 25 metres in some parts of the northern hemisphere over a period of less than 500 years.​

Here then is a thoroughly mainstream scientific explanation of a flood "event" which took place some 12,000 years ago, similar to that which Edge has been positing...

... except that rather than a single, global-scale catastrophe mandated by God, and which resulted in the destruction of all human and animal life on earth except for a naked wino, his astonishingly racially diverse family, and every massively-chromosomed "kind" of animal on earth, this actual, scientifically-discovered series of floods took place over centuries, in different areas of the world at different times, and involving no drunk nudists with black, Asian and Polynesian children.

Seems like you guys like your science in a little neat box?
Why in thwe world would you not accept what our geart great great,ECT. grandfathers have said?
And grandmothers?

Before I answer the first question, please define "neat little box" and in what capacity you imagine us fitting "science" inside of it.

As to our great etc. grandsires, allow me to suggest that ancient folk tales are not expected to adhere to rigorous scientific standards. I would accept such tales as the literature of a bygone era, not as unarguable statements of fact.

May I ask, in turn, why you take millennia-old myths as credible accounts of the objectively observable world?

I'll address the Clovis stuff at another time, maybe in a different thread.

 

[Marduk]

First you want us to believe your take and that's cool because a lot of what is known and learned is good but to claim that's all there is ridicules.

It doesn't require belief Edge, it requires reading the evidence, the oldest flood story from mesopotamia concerns a river flood, the next one in line uses the same sentences but changes from local to global by changing just a few words, the one after that adds more detail, like the boat gets bigger, in a later story animals join the voyage, by the time the biblical flood story is written even the gods have changed, it's not me who isn't understanding the evidence, its you,

The list you posted does not concern global floods, each story is different, concerns different localities and occurs in different time periods. It just didn't occur to you that none of the groups who's story of a flood you posted didn't even exist 13,000 years ago did it ?

have a guess at how many people existed 13,000 years ago, then check this graph to see if you're right
http://faculty.plattsburgh.edu/david.curry/images/popgraph.gif
you were wrong weren't you

So your first link, But Holliday and Meltzer dispute those claims.
So what, the evedence is there and these two disput it?

so you only bothered with the first link, the other links are all different and all address the different claimed evidence for the clovis comet, they address it in a way that totally disproves it.

Darwin is 195 or more years old you still believe him?

Typical creationist error, the idea that Darwin had wasn't proven in his lifetime, it took those 195 years to come up with overwhelming supporting evidence, evidence that creotards like you aren't even familiar with, go on, scream "there's no missing links", you know you want to

Putting science in a nice neat little box just doesn't cut it for me.
There's tons of proof for the impact theory, don't kid yourself.

there was never any credible evidence for it, the clovis people didn't vanish, the megafauna didn't die out and the comet hypothesis never made it to the theory stage. To be able to box something in, you first have to posess it, all you've got is a flawed understanding of history and little understanding of anything else
you should actually listen to what people are telling you here, they all apparently know more than your arrogance doesn't

Apparently you don't!
Ancient cities under the oceans, doesn't tell you something?
I believe they coincide with the timeline that I am trying to get you to see.

It tells me you haven't bothered reading the posts that addressed that earlier in the thread
there is no under sea city in the gulf of Cambray, the idea was made up by the minister for marine tourism
there is no under sea city in cuba, the idea was made up by a russian oceanographer and later totally disproven
there is no under sea city off Japan, the idea was made up by a japanese professor who already had published several books on Mu, which itself was made up by a guy who claimed he got it from Mayan texts that he couldn't even read.
This is your evidence, mostly fabricated by people because other gullible people like you are willing to pay to read about it, or didn't you realise why most pseudo historians have a background, not in history, but journalism

 

[Filippo Lippi]

If someone wants to convince me otherwise they're gonna have to present some hard evidence.

It'll be as "hard" as the evidence for his dowsing abilities

 

[Elizabeth I]

No.

Well, see, now there's an answer.

 

[pakeha]

...My evidence ... comes from what is written in the bible and all the myths about a great deluge that happened abut 10,000 –years ago that others like the Sumerians wrote about along with many other cultures that experienced that disaster.
We know that the Sahara was a tropical jungle 10,000 years ago...

Hang on.
The Bible is now evidence of alien visitation?
I thought it was evidence the Earth was formed 6,000 years ago.

We know that the Sahara was a tropical jungle 10,000 years ago..

No, edge.

 

[tsig]

Native American Indians for one comes to mind.
The Clovas people just suddenlt disappear also plus the y weren't the first.
Index by Region
•Europe
◦Greek, Arcadian, Samothrace ◦Roman ◦Scandinavian, German ◦Celtic, Welsh ◦Lithuanian, Transylvanian Gypsy ◦Turkey •Near East
◦Sumerian ◦Egypt, Babylonian, Assyrian, Chaldean, Hebrew, Islamic ◦Persian, Zoroastrian •Africa
◦Cameroon ◦Masai (East Africa), Komililo Nandi, Kwaya (Lake Victoria) ◦Southwest Tanzania, Pygmy, Ababua (northern Zaire), Kikuyu (Kenya), Bakongo (west Zaire), Bachokwe? (southern Zaire), Lower Congo, Basonge, Bena-Lulua (Congo River, southeast Zaire)
◦Yoruba (southwest Nigeria), Efik-Ibibio (Nigeria), Ekoi (Nigeria) ◦Mandingo (Ivory Coast) •Asia
◦Vogul ◦Samoyed (north Siberia) ◦Yenisey-Ostyak (north central Siberia), Kamchadale (northeast Siberia) ◦Altaic (central Asia), Tuvinian (Soyot) (north of Mongolia)
◦Mongolia, Buryat (eastern Siberia) ◦Sagaiye (eastern Siberia) ◦Russian ◦Hindu, Bhil (central India), Kamar (Raipur District, Central India), Assam ◦Tamil (southern India) ◦Lepcha (Sikkim), Tibet, Singpho (Assam), Lushai (Assam), Lisu (northwest Yunnan, China), Lolo (southwestern China), Jino (southern Yunnan, China), Karen (Burma), Chingpaw (Upper Burma) ◦China ◦Korea ◦Munda (north-central India), Santal (Bengal), Ho (southwestern Bengal) ◦Bahnar (Cochin China), Kammu (northern Thailand) ◦Andaman Islands (Bay of Bengal) ◦Zhuang (China), Sui (southern Guizhou, China), Shan (Burma) ◦Tsuwo (Formosa interior), Bunun (Formosa interior), Ami (eastern Taiwan) ◦Benua-Jakun (Malay Peninsula), Kelantan (Malay Peninsula), Ifugao (Philippines), Kiangan Ifugao, Atá (Philippines), Mandaya (Philippines), Tinguian (Luzon, Philippines) ◦Batak (Sumatra), Nias (an island west of Sumatra), Engano (another island west of Sumatra), Dusun (British North Borneo), Dyak (Borneo), Ot-Danom (Dutch Borneo), Toradja (central Celebes), Alfoor (between Celebes and New Guinea), Rotti (southwest of Timor), Nage (Flores) •Australia
◦Arnhem Land (northern Northern Territory) ◦Maung (Goulburn Islands, Arnhem Land), Gunwinggu (northern Arnhem Land)
◦Gumaidj (Arnhem Land) ◦Manger (Arnhem Land) ◦Fitzroy River area (Western Australia) ◦Australian, Mount Elliot (coastal Queensland), Western Australia, Andingari (South Australia), Wiranggu (South Australia), Narrinyeri (South Australia), Victoria, Lake Tyres (Victoria), Kurnai (Gippsland, Victoria), southeast Australian ◦Maori (New Zealand) •Pacific Islands
◦Kabadi (New Guinea), Valman (northern New Guinea), Mamberao River (Irian Jaya), Samo-Kubo (western Papua New Guinea), Papua New Guinea ◦Palau Islands (Micronesia), western Carolines ◦New Hebrides, Lifou (one of the Loyalty Islands), Fiji ◦Samoa, Nanumanga (Tuvalu, South Pacific), Mangaia (Cook Islands), Rakaanga (Cook Islands), Raiatea (Leeward Group, French Polynesia), Tahiti, Hawaii •North America
◦Innuit, Eskimo (Orowignarak, Alaska), Norton Sound Eskimo, Central Eskimo, Tchiglit Eskimo (Arctic Ocean), Herschel Island Eskimo, Netsilik Eskimo, Greenlander ◦Tlingit (southern Alaska coast), Hareskin (Alaska), Tinneh (Alaska and south), Loucheux (Dindjie) (Alaska), Dogrib and Slave (Tinneh tribes), Kaska (northern inland British Columbia), Thompson Indians (British Columbia), Sarcee (Alberta), Tsetsaut ◦Haida (Queen Charlotte Is., British Columbia), Tsimshian (British Columbia) ◦Kwakiutl (British Columbia) ◦Kootenay (southeast British Columbia), Squamish (British Columbia), Bella Coola (British Columbia), Lillooet (Green River, British Columbia), Makah (Cape Flattery, Washington), Klallam (northwest Washington), Skokomish (Washington), Skagit (Washington), Quillayute (Washington), Nisqually (Washington), Twana (Puget Sound, Washington), Kathlamet ◦Cascade Mountains ◦Spokana, Nez Perce, Cayuse (eastern Washington), Yakima (Washington), Warm Springs (Oregon), Joshua (southern Oregon), Smith River (northern California coast), Wintu (north central California), Maidu (central California), Northern Miwok (central California), Tuleyome Miwok (near Clear Lake, California), Olamentko Miwok (Bodega Bay, California) Ohlone (San Francisco to Monterey, California) ◦Kato (Mendocino County, California) ◦Shasta (northern California interior), Pomo (north central California), Salinan (California), Yuma (western Arizona, southern California), Havasupai (lower Colorado River) ◦Ashochimi (California) ◦Yurok (north California coast), Blackfoot (Alberta and Montana), Cree (Canada), Timagami Ojibway (Canada), Chippewa (Ontario, Minnesota, Wisconsin), Ottawa, Menomini (Wisconsin-Michigan border), Cheyenne (Minnesota), Yellowstone, Montagnais (northern Gulf of St. Lawrence), Micmac (eastern Maritime Canada), Algonquin (upper Ottowa River), Lenape (Delaware) (Delaware to New York) ◦Cherokee (Great Lakes area; eastern Tennessee) ◦Mandan (North Dakota), Lakota ◦Choctaw (Mississippi), Natchez (Lower Mississippi) ◦Chitimacha (Southern Louisiana) ◦Caddo (Oklahoma, Arkansas), Pawnee (Nebraska) ◦Navajo (Four Corners area), Jicarilla Apache (northeastern New Mexico) ◦Sia (northeast Arizona) ◦Acagchemem (near San Juan Capistrano, California), Luiseño (Southern California), Pima (southwest Arizona), Papago (Arizona), Hopi (northeast Arizona), Zuni (New Mexico) •Central America
◦Tarascan (northern Michoacan, Mexico), Michoacan (Mexico) ◦Yaqui (Sonoran, Northern Mexico), Tarahumara (Northern Mexico), Huichol (western Mexico), Cora (east of the Huichols), Tepecano (southeast of the Huichols), Tepehua (eastern Mexico), Toltec (Mexico), Nahua (central Mexico), Tlaxcalan (central Mexico) ◦Tlapanec (south central Mexico), Mixtec (northern Oaxaca, Mexico), Zapotec (Oaxaca, southern Mexico), Trique (Oaxaca, southern Mexico) ◦Totonac (eastern Mexico) ◦Chol (southern Mexico), Tzeltal (Chiapas, southern Mexico), Quiché (Guatemala), Maya (southern Mexico and Guatemala) ◦Popoluca (Veracruz, Mexico) ◦Nicaragua, Panama ◦Carib (Antilles) •South America
◦Acawai (Orinoco), Arekuna (Guyana), Makiritare (Venezuela), Macusi (British Guyana) ◦Muysca (Colombia), Yaruro (southern Venezuela) ◦Yanomamö (southern Venezuela) ◦Tamanaque (Orinoco), Arawak (Guyana), Pamary, Abedery, and Kataushy (Purus R., Brazil), Ipurina (Upper Amazon) ◦Jivaro (eastern Ecuador), Shuar (Andes) ◦Murato (eastern Ecuador) ◦Cañari (Quito, Ecuador) ◦Guanca and Chiquito (Peru) ◦Ancasmarca (near Cuzco, Peru), Canelos Quechua, Quechua, Inca (Peru), Colla (high Andes) ◦Chiriguano (southeast Bolivia) ◦Chorote (Eastern Paraguay) ◦Eastern Brazil (Rio de Janiero region), Eastern Brazil (Cape Frio region), Caraya (Araguaia River, central Brazil), Coroado (south Brazil) ◦Araucania (coastal Chile) ◦Toba (northern Argentina) ◦Selk'nam (southern tip of Argentina) ◦Yamana (Tierra del Fuego)

Taken from here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html

you can go here if you think they over did it;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths
for this:
Contents [hide]
1 West Asia and Europe
1.1 Ancient Near East
1.1.1 Sumerian
1.1.2 Babylonian (Epic of Gilgamesh)
1.1.3 Noah's flood
1.2 Classical Antiquity
1.3 Medieval Europe
1.3.1 Germanic
1.3.2 Irish
1.4 Modern era folklore
1.4.1 Finnish
2 Africa
2.1 Maasai People
2.2 Egypt (book of the dead)
3 Asia-Pacific
3.1 India
3.2 Andaman Islands (India)
3.3 China
3.4 Malaysia
3.5 Lao (Indochina)
3.6 Oceania
3.6.1 Australia
3.6.2 Polynesia
4 Americas
4.1 North America
4.2 Mesoamerica
4.3 South America
4.3.1 Inca
4.3.2 Mapuche
4.3.3 Muisca

Seems like you guys like your science in a little neat box?
Why in thwe world would you not accept what our geart great great,ECT. grandfathers have said?
And grandmothers?

First you want us to believe your take and that's cool because a lot of what is known and learned is good but to claim that's all there is ridicules.

Clovis People Not First Americans, Study Shows so what happened to them?
The so-called Clovis people, known for their distinctive spearheads, were not the first humans to set foot in the Americas after all, a new study says.

The find supports growing archaeological evidence found in recent years that disputes the notion that the Americas were originally populated by a single migration of people from Asia about 13,000 years ago.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070223-first-americans.html

In yellow, funny that, prove that it was fictional.
I think I just proved it wasn't, unless the whole of the human race are insane.

How did all those people get to where they are in such numbers following the flood and why are their tales so diverse?

There are floods all over the world all the time so why would any tale of a flood be The Flood?