The Name Jesus = 666?

[Navigator]

Science didn't "offer" abortion- terminating an unwanted pregnancy is a concept that goes back to the beginning of history.

Medicine made it safer for the woman - no poisonous herbs to swallow, assaults to the belly, digging around blindly with coat hangers.

There is no "Abortion quota" that the Great God Science needs to meet to keep the sun in the sky, or to keep the gears of it's "progress machine" going.

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Well I guess this signifies that at some stage of evolution, Science became Science...and is developing from there.

What it was before this might be hidden, or at least protected.

As long as people are making decisions based upon maximum knowledge made available rather than guinuine pig like ignorance.

Unless of course people prefer ignorance, in which case experiments proceed in the manner of 'coathanger hags'...

...is there any amount of faith which science requires from humanity?

Back to abortions - yes it is clean and profession - matter of having to be, otherwise it is back to the Hanger Hag....and of course, clean and professional have their price.

So it is a matter of going along with the major demands of the people and trying to nurture and protect society, which is what the people are collectively called.

So 'big brother' isn;t necessarily a picture of pure evil and deciet.
It is not up to science to tell the people what to choose and what not to choose.
It is an interesting topic.
Hey Dr. X...Will get back to you hopwfully re: Albert E, but really - I am away a couple of days and then I am back into the study of this amazing personality...I am glad to have waited so long before finally having the opportunity present itself.
I might be awhile getting back to you on that one....
Cheers!

 

[Radrook]

God had the Bible written as a message to mankind.
A letter telling us why we are where we are and where we are going. With that purpose in mind God had the Bible written in a manner that can be understood.

He did not set about encrypring his message so that it contained enigmatic volumes of hidden information in a complex code because that would be counterproductive to the Bible's purpose--to be understood by the majority of mankind and give mankind hope.

Romans 15:4
For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

 

[Piscivore]

Well I guess this signifies that at some stage of evolution, Science became Science...and is developing from there.

What it was before this might be hidden, or at least protected.

It signifies nothing of the kind. Science is a process, not some Leviathan creature lurking in outer darkness, waiting through the eons to devour mankind. That's Cthulhu.

The history and development of "science" is a mater of record. What are you suggesting is "hidden" or "protected"?

As long as people are making decisions based upon maximum knowledge made available rather than guinuine pig like ignorance.

Did you mean "genuine" or "Guinea" before pig?

Is knowledge instead of ignorance a bad thing?

Unless of course people prefer ignorance, in which case experiments proceed in the manner of 'coathanger hags'...

That's not an "experiment", rather practical application of poor technology.

...is there any amount of faith which science requires from humanity?

No.

And to be clear, there is no entity "Science" to require anything of anyone.

Back to abortions - yes it is clean and profession - matter of having to be, otherwise it is back to the Hanger Hag....and of course, clean and professional have their price.

Are you claiming the back-alley practitioners are not paid? And is there some evil in getting paid? Executioners get paid, so do morticians and pediatric surgeons who have to watch children die.

So it is a matter of going along with the major demands of the people and trying to nurture and protect society, which is what the people are collectively called.

No, it is not. We have protections under the law for minorities, which is where Roe v. Wade comes from. To preserve freedom from the tyranny of the masses.

So 'big brother' isn;t necessarily a picture of pure evil and deciet.

Where exactly does "Big Brother" come into this? Have you even read "1984" or do you just like tossing the phrase around to demonise ideas you disagree with?

It is not up to science to tell the people what to choose and what not to choose.

No. I know "freedom" is a difficult concept for those who choose to think as slaves, but one gains nothing to substitute a god's tyranny for something else's. And once again, there is no entity "Science" to "tell" anyone anything.

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[Doctor X]

Navigator:

Hey Dr. X...Will get back to you hopwfully re: Albert E, but really - I am away a couple of days and then I am back into the study of this amazing personality...I am glad to have waited so long before finally having the opportunity present itself.

Take you time. He is a fascinating character.

Radrook:

God had the Bible written as a message to mankind.

A letter telling us why we are where we are and where we are going. With that purpose in mind God had the Bible written in a manner that can be understood.

Then why does it specifically contradict itself? See the Ezekiel passage above regarding "bad laws" such as child sacrifice.

What about:

Jer 8:8 How do you say, "We are wise, and YHWH's torah is with us?" In fact, here, it was made for a lie, the lying pen of scribes.

He did not set about encrypring his message so that it contained enigmatic volumes of hidden information in a complex code because that would be counterproductive to the Bible's purpose--to be understood by the majority of mankind and give mankind hope.

Yet that Ezekiel passage contradicts that:

Moreover I gave them statues that were not good and ordinances by which they could not have life; and I defiled them through their very gifts in making them offer by fire all their first-born, that I might horrify them; I did it that they might know I am the Lord.

--J.D.

 

[MRC_Hans]

God had the Bible written as a message to mankind.
A letter telling us why we are where we are and where we are going. With that purpose in mind God had the Bible written in a manner that can be understood.

That sounds very sensible. Yet we se people like the JW looking hard for semantic details and interpretations, even to the point haf having their own translations.

He did not set about encrypring his message so that it contained enigmatic volumes of hidden information in a complex code because that would be counterproductive to the Bible's purpose--to be understood by the majority of mankind and give mankind hope.

Well, I certainly agree about the codes. For comprehension, it is also a bit counterproductive with alle the self-contradictions in the bible. Especially in the OT.

*snip*

Hans

 

[jimlintott]

Well I've started my own numbering system in case you're interested. And, if you would like to discuss it further, maybe you would care to post something on my forum?

Did anyone go read any of this? It's absolutely hilarious.

He claims to have developed a base fourteen number system and uses traditional arabic digits but I see no mention of what symbols will be used to represent the numbers beyond nine.

Then there is this particular gem.

And, since 14 signifies the system itself, and 41 is its reciprocal, I view both as unique, and only multiply them this way (i.e., Rachel and Leah were sisters and it initially gave me the idea). As for the result, 574, I had expressed as: The Five Earls of Roy, The Seven Principals of David, and Four Wives of Dennis (i.e., Israel had twelve sons and four wives).

I think he does not know what reciprocal means. If this is base fourteen then the reciprocal of 14 expressed in decimal would be 1/18, certainly not 41. 574 is certainly the product of 14 and 41 but in decimal base. What happened to base fourteen?

(Oh, never start a sentence with a coordinate conjunction.)

I don't really know whether to laugh or cry.

Dude, stop playing with numbers before you put an eye out.

 

[Iacchus]

Well, if it was 1/4 vs 4/1 what would you get? Besides, it has more to do with pattern recognition than anything else. Do you understand what that is? It also makes more sense when you try to understand numbers in their spiritual sense ... if, such a thing should ever exist of course.

 

[Iacchus]

He claims to have developed a base fourteen number system and uses traditional arabic digits but I see no mention of what symbols will be used to represent the numbers beyond nine.

Actually I'm using the fourteen women's names to illustrate the base-fourteen aspect, while expressing everything numerically in base-ten, thus illustrating the relationship between base-fourteen and base-ten. It actually has more to do with understanding harmonics than anything else. For example, 14 x 3 + 2 = 44, in which case 44 equals the 2nd note harmoncially in a fourteen-note scale.

 

[jimlintott]

It also makes more sense when you try to understand numbers in their spiritual sense

Why?

How?

Please explain 'spiritual sense'.

(Yes, the reciprocal of four is one quarter.)

 

[jimlintott]

Actually I'm using the fourteen women's names to illustrate the base-fourteen aspect, while expressing everything numerically in base-ten, thus illustrating the relationship between base-fourteen and base-ten. It actually has more to do with understanding harmonics than anything else. For example, 14 x 3 + 2 = 44, in which case 44 equals the 2nd note harmoncially in a fourteen-note scale.

So it has nothing to do with numbers at all. Why keep pretending it does?

You make zero sense.

 

[Iacchus]

Why?

How?

Please explain 'spiritual sense'.

(Yes, the reciprocal of four is one quarter.)

When you speak of numbers in the spiritual sense, it's more like a rating system. For example, that woman was a perfect "10," right? In other words they become like adjectives for describing priorities and protocal and what not.

 

[Dancing David]

Actually I'm using the fourteen women's names to illustrate the base-fourteen aspect, while expressing everything numerically in base-ten, thus illustrating the relationship between base-fourteen and base-ten. It actually has more to do with understanding harmonics than anything else. For example, 14 x 3 + 2 = 44, in which case 44 equals the 2nd note harmoncially in a fourteen-note scale.

What, and what?

in base ten the second not on a fourteen point scale is going to be 16(15), in base 14 it would be twelve.

In base fouteen the base ten number (44) is 32(3*14+2).

So your harmony is falwed, unless you meant the second note on the third tier of a fourteen note scale.

You really need to smoke less dope iachuss, or drink more coffee.

 

[Iacchus]

So it has nothing to do with numbers at all. Why keep pretending it does?

You make zero sense.

And how is that you know this isn't the way the right-brain interprets numbers? Why can't numbers be used to express something intuitively or, at least symbolically? This is what they were derived from at first weren't they?

 

[Iacchus]

What, and what?

in base ten the second not on a fourteen point scale is going to be 16(15), in base 14 it would be twelve.

In base fouteen the base ten number (44) is 32(3*14+2).

So your harmony is falwed, unless you meant the second note on the third tier of a fourteen note scale.

You really need to smoke less dope iachuss, or drink more coffee.

"2" + 14 = "16" + 14 = "30" + 14 = "44." In other words 2, 16, 30 and 44 are all harmonically the same. Go take a look at the page if you need more clarification.

 

[jimlintott]

When you speak of numbers in the spiritual sense, it's more like a rating system. For example, that woman was a perfect "10," right? In other words they become like adjectives for describing priorities and protocal and what not.

Your example is actually a colloquialism, or figure of speech. If I was in a foreign land the inhabitants are likely familiar with the concept of ten (they may have counted their fingers) but to describe a woman as a perfect ten may be totally meaningless. Numbers transcend language. You insist on jumbling the two together and pretending it has meaning.

 

[Iacchus]

Your example is actually a colloquialism, or figure of speech. If I was in a foreign land the inhabitants are likely familiar with the concept of ten (they may have counted their fingers) but to describe a woman as a perfect ten may be totally meaningless. Numbers transcend language. You insist on jumbling the two together and pretending it has meaning.

Of course without an understanding brain, there would be no sense to ascribing value to anything would there? Matter-of-fact, what the hell would numbers be?

 

[jimlintott]

originally posted by me
You make zero sense.

I take that back.

You make negative sense.

I can feel it leaving me everytime I read one of your posts.

 

[Dancing David]

"2" + 14 = "16" + 14 = "30" + 14 = "44." In other words 2, 16, 30 and 44 are all harmonically the same. Go take a look at the page if you need more clarification.

It's not the page Iachuss, it is your lack of clatity in exposition.

You said the seond note of the harmonic. You meant the second note of the second harmonic.

 

[Piscivore]

Your example is actually a colloquialism, or figure of speech. If I was in a foreign land the inhabitants are likely familiar with the concept of ten (they may have counted their fingers) but to describe a woman as a perfect ten may be totally meaningless. Numbers transcend language. You insist on jumbling the two together and pretending it has meaning.

Well, Our pal Iacchus is the Lord High Equivocator, you know.

 

[Kimpatsu]

I take that back.
You make negative sense.
I can feel it leaving me everytime I read one of your posts.

ROTFL! You go, guy!