The Name Jesus = 666?

[Iacchus]

Well, there is the possibility that youa re delusional and making things up!

Just kidding!

have you researched the kabbalah yet?

Wasn't the Book of Revelation written in Greek?

 

[Leif Roar]

Hey, did you know that The Name Jesus = 666? Sure it does. All you have to do is take the numerical value of the letters in His name and add them together (10 + 5 + 19 + 21 + 19), in which case you get 74 which, when multiplied by 9, you get 666!

Hmm, what could it possibly mean?

It means that there is a practically limitless amount of formelas to convert between words and numeric values, and by cherry-picking your formula you can convert any particular word to any particular numerical value.

It's a typical example of first plotting your line, and then plotting your data-points.

Using the particular unfounded formula you've used above, about 1% of all the words in the standard dictionary file on my computer yielded the value 666 - not particularly surprising really, since the cross-sum (sum of all the digits) of an English word when using A=1, B=2... will typically range from between 20 and 120, so one would expect around 1% of them to have the value 74.

 

[Iacchus]

It means that there is a practically limitless amount of formelas to convert between words and numeric values, and by cherry-picking your formula you can convert any particular word to any particular numerical value.

No cherry picking involved, not on my part anyway. So in that sense it was more like a revelation to me.

It's a typical example of first plotting your line, and then plotting your data-points.

Or, someone with a numerological bent who understood 74 was factor of 666.

Using the particular unfounded formula you've used above, about 1% of all the words in the standard dictionary file on my computer yielded the value 666 - not particularly surprising really, since the cross-sum (sum of all the digits) of an English word when using A=1, B=2... will typically range from between 20 and 120, so one would expect around 1% of them to have the value 74.

Which sounds about right, since we already determined that less than 1% of the 1,000 most popular names in the United States (including Jesus) also fits the bill. It's still a fairly low percentage don't you think?

 

[Leif Roar]

No cherry picking involved, not on my part anyway. So in that sense it was more like a revelation to me.


Or, someone with a numerological bent who understood 74 was factor of 666.


Which sounds about right, since we already determined that less than 1% of the 1,000 most popular names in the United States (including Jesus) also fits the bill. It's still a fairly low percentage don't you think?

Eh, no, not really. 1% chances is something you expect to encounter fairly regularly (and actually we're talking about a 2% chance since around 2% of the words would turn into 666 if you multiplied with either 6 or 9, and the factor 9 was choosen only because it fit the bill so if 6 had fit instead that's the factor that would have been choosen.)

There's so many possible mappings from words to numeric values, it's completely unsurprising that you can find an easy mapping from any particular word (including Jesus, Iesus, Jehova or any other form) to any particular number (such as 666 or 616.)

 

[Iacchus]

Eh, no, not really. 1% chances is something you expect to encounter fairly regularly (and actually we're talking about a 2% chance since around 2% of the words would turn into 666 if you multiplied with either 6 or 9, and the factor 9 was choosen only because it fit the bill so if 6 had fit instead that's the factor that would have been choosen.)

There's so many possible mappings from words to numeric values, it's completely unsurprising that you can find an easy mapping from any particular word (including Jesus, Iesus, Jehova or any other form) to any particular number (such as 666 or 616.)

There have been a lot of things suggested in this thread, might I suggest that you begin by reading it in its entirety?

 

[Iacchus]

King Arthur / The Red Dragon

Oh, and there was one other thing I neglected to say regarding Great Britain representing the Great Red Dragon in the Revelation 12. Do we have any possible precedent that might suggest this was so? How about the legend of King Arthur, and his father, Uther (with its similarities to Luther) Pendragon? Wasn't in fact their family crest a Red Dragon? Indeed, and how did this legend begin, if not via the sword, Excalibur, which was fashioned from the spear that pierced Christ's side? ... together with the search for the Holy Grail, which was supposedly the winecup Christ drank from at the Last Supper. Just another coincidence?

 

[Dancing David]

Wasn't the Book of Revelation written in Greek?

By a person ' allegedly' who spoke Aramaic and was a jew, we all know the books weren't writeen by the actual authors but a generation later.

Are you saying that the origin of the bible is jewish or greek?

 

[Dancing David]

There have been a lot of things suggested in this thread, might I suggest that you begin by reading it in its entirety?

Are you playing dodge ball? Leif Roar made a valid point aimed right at your original post. Are you saying that you can't answer?

 

[Iacchus]

Are you playing dodge ball? Leif Roar made a valid point aimed right at your original post. Are you saying that you can't answer?

What I'm saying is that he hasn't said anything altogether different from what anyone else has said, and maybe he should try by reading the entire thread. By the way, no comment on the connection to King Arthur? Or, are you one of those too, who have not bothered to read the whole thread?

 

[Iacchus]

By a person ' allegedly' who spoke Aramaic and was a jew, we all know the books weren't writeen by the actual authors but a generation later.

Are you saying that the origin of the bible is jewish or greek?

What I'm saying is that if it was intended for a Greek audience, then at the very least we should consider what it means in Greek. But, since you don't seem to think so, why shouldn't we also be able to consider what it means in English? Or, is there something un-universal about the English language as well? Seems to work 99.9999% of the time for those who speak it? And neither is it like the whole thing just popped up out of thin air now is it? It must have its roots in something, right?

By the way, did you know that the sun shines in Great Britain as well as it does in Palestine? ... albeit a bit more obscurely perhaps? And then again, it brings us back once again to Great Britain, which relinquishes its power over Palestine in order to create the new State of Israel. If there's so much prophecy written in regards to Israel in the Bible (if one wishes to argue in this regard), then it no doubt must also take in account Great Britain.

 

[Beleth]

So, according to Occam's Razor, mine is better.

Well, according to that line of logic, Ronald Wilson Reagan (3 names, 6 letters each) is pretty much as close to 666 as you can get. No multiplying, no conversion of letters into numbers, no unusual bases to worry about.

Your converting of the word "Jesus" to 666 looks like a huge mathematical spaghetti factory by comparison.

 

[Iacchus]

Well, according to that line of logic, Ronald Wilson Reagan (3 names, 6 letters each) is pretty much as close to 666 as you can get. No multiplying, no conversion of letters into numbers, no unusual bases to worry about.

Your converting of the word "Jesus" to 666 looks like a huge mathematical spaghetti factory by comparison.

Except that you're just working with letters, not the number values assigned to the letters. So you can have six apples, six oranges and six peaches, according to what you say. And guess what, even if you added their numerical values you would still only get eighteen.

 

[Beleth]

Except that you're just working with letters, not the number values assigned to the letters.

Yep. Which is why it's simpler.

So you can have six apples, six oranges and six peaches, according to what you say.

But what I do have is six letters, six letters, and six letters.

And guess what, even if you added their numerical values you would still only get eighteen.

Yep. No adding required. Which is another reason why it's simpler.

 

[Iacchus]

No it isn't. Yes it is. No it isn't. Yes it is. No it isn't. Yes it is. I mean who cares? ...

 

[Doctor X]

Wow, some are still trying to revive this dead issue!

--J.D.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Acually Beleth you are a genius.

Not only does "Ronald Wilson Reagan" point to 666, but also to 616 as "Ronald W. Reagan."

Favored by Occams Razor and more explanatory power.

 

[Dancing David]

And neither is it like the whole thing just popped up out of thin air now is it? It must have its roots in something, right?

Yes, Revelations has it's roots in jewish mysticism, it is written by a human aquainted with the Messiah cults common to Israel at the time. The beast is rome, the ten headed beast are the jews that the writter doesn't like. All the reference to seven candles and seven angels are in reference to the tree of life and the lower spheres.

Revelation is like balck spirituals in the antebellum south, it is a code that the people are conversant with. It is meant to have meaning in the era in which it is written. It was not meant to be applied to the current situation by every person whoever read it. It may mean something to the people who read it later.

As propkecy it is more like Elijah than it is Nostradamus, it is a critique of the time in which it is written. It is not meant to be a guidebook to the future, anymore than "Follow the Drinking Gourd" is meant to predict the future of the world in 5631 ev..

 

[Iacchus]

Actually I was referring to the English language here. And let's not forget the legend of King Arthur and the search for the Holy Grail, all of which is tied to the early beginnings of Christianity. So in that respect we can't deny that the British (and their language) are not without their roots either ...

And, right before the remembrance of Babylon (the Roman Catholic Church) in Revelation 17-18, the Great Red Dragon, along with the Beast out of the Sea and the False Prophet (666), arise in Revelation 12-13 and establishes itself in the land of Pendragon (The Reformation) ...

Now, if you think about it, there have only been two "major movements" in the Christian Church since its early beginnings in Asia Minor: the establishment of the Roman Catholic Church and, The Reformation. Surely the Book of Revelation must take into account both of these if, in fact it details the lineage of the Christian Church.

But then again, does anybody believe in mysticism or, for that matter know what it is? The guy who wrote the Book of Revelation was a mystic by the way. And yes, the Book of Revelation was a mystical revelation.

 

[Leif Roar]

Actually I was referring to the English language here. And let's not forget the legend of King Arthur and the search for the Holy Grail, all of which is tied to the early beginnings of Christianity. So in that respect we can't deny that the British (and their language) are not without their roots either ...

I'm not much of an expert on the subject, but I do know that the Grail cycle of the Arturian legends is a later addition which weren't introduced until the 13th century. There are other cycles of the legends that doesn't mention the grail at all. The Arthurian mythos also have several clear links to pre-christian legends and religion (through Merlin, the Lady of the Lake and other such characters.)

The red dragon is also the symbol of Wales and not Britain as a whole.

 

[Dancing David]

posted by Iachuss
Now, if you think about it, there have only been two "major movements" in the Christian Church since its early beginnings in Asia Minor: the establishment of the Roman Catholic Church and, The Reformation. Surely the Book of Revelation must take into account both of these if, in fact it details the lineage of the Christian Church.

But then again, does anybody believe in mysticism or, for that matter know what it is? The guy who wrote the Book of Revelation was a mystic by the way. And yes, the Book of Revelation was a mystical revelation.

I can only suggest that you read the Name of the Rose by Umberto Ecco to see that there are more recent heresies than you might think. I don't suppose that the two Popes has anything to do with a major church split does it Iachuss? The Avignon papacy is a real thing.

I am not saying that there isn't mysticism but if you deny Jesus his political setting then you miss the message.

You have yet to show that you have done anything more successful than everybody else who has misattributed the meanings of the book of Revelations. The meanings are clear if you study the culture that produced it. You might as well attribute mystical predictions to Mao's Little Red Book.
There is a tradition of prophecy and messiahs, and apocalyptic missions. Early Xianity comes right out of it. It has it's success in the greek cultures because they needed a religion that saaid things might change amongst the slaves.