Piscivore
Science is a process, not some Leviathan creature lurking in outer darkness, waiting through the eons to devour mankind. That's Cthulhu.
Greeting Piscivore.
When I first read you replies, I though to myself "OMG"...settle down already!
Early days.
"It signifies nothing of the kind. "
Okay have an opinion!
I can't state categorically that their are absolutely no things lurking at the edge of the known universe patiently waiting to devour 'us'...
I don't even know why you mentioned it. you say this why?"
The history and development of "science" is a mater of record.
Are you saying that science wasn't science untill it started recording it's experiements?
What are you suggesting is "hidden" or "protected"?
Plenty. But it can wait....Actually it would require a whole webpage in itself, with millions of links...perhaps that is what the internet is about.
It shows at least a shadow of something (not unlike your monster at the edge of darkness) potentially alone as a consious awareness in an vast vast and vaster environment.
(oops - my joy is showing itself again)
Did you mean "genuine" or "Guinea" before pig?
You choose...for me - a pig is a pig and a rarety as far as hams go, in relation to the rest of the universe....Maybe that's why it thinks about what it eats, and lets the rest of Nature work the finer details out...by creating scienctists....
Is knowledge instead of ignorance a bad thing?
Depends on what you know.
Some knowledge may as well be ignorance if it is doing exactly what ignorance does, or 'worse' actually promoting ignorance.
Why do you ask?
That's not an "experiment", rather practical application of poor technology.
Well okay - it is my personal bent...I just can't help seeing everything as an experiment.
Shucks maybe God IS the 'mad scientist!'
No.
And to be clear, there is no entity "Science" to require anything of anyone.
Yes there is. Not only that. but it is the key director of human development and
may not be an entity which believes in anything to do with morals or ethic or other integrity symbols based upon human weaknesses in 'God' concepts.
Furthurmore it
may even encourage these beliefs as a way of earning it's keep for even existing, by providing any number of disunity devices which some huge entity bodies of political and religious persuasion sell, or supply to their supporters.
Having said as much, this shadow over science
may be pure conspiracy garbage fed to the masses about science, and in fat it
may be an entity which actually goes out of it's way to keep tru to ethics not because of any 'God' concept, but simply because they believe it is the natural thing to be - as in - that's the higher thing for a human individual to attain.
More than likely, it is a mixture of both, and the battle goes on.
For me personally Science is in essence, something that either will work it out, or not. But the rest of the Universe will go on.
Are you claiming the back-alley practitioners are not paid?
Nope.
There would be some whom practice very clean and healthy operations.
And these ones most likely did the job regardless of who had the bucks to pay them.
And is there some evil in getting paid?
Certainly not!
Whoever said money was the root of all evil was trying to distract from what
is the root of all things potentially 'good' or 'evil'
Actions.
Human Energy.
It is something deeper than than, which many have called "God" but that say's nothin much...somethings granted...but nothing much.
Actions always speak louder...and half the reason science is scornful of religion has to do with the fact that scientists do NOT SEE any proof of God in the basic behaviour of those proclaiming any such thing regarding this "God" fellow.
Science NEEDS something to measure, and that thing can only be "Ethics" which has something or nothing to do with either 'god' or 'nature'
However, even if "Ethics" is a complate and utter human invention, due to the fact that we are the only ones in the whole universe maybe, I can;t see why it is unscientific to make things up as we go along...like "Ethics".
If it works out that God is esentially Awareness, then we being "Aware" are essentially "God" and being part of Nature, and Nature seeming to be the only real pointer to 'what God might be" then "Ethics" is not such a bad plateform to start upon.
"We are God - how will we behave?"
And indeed, that is the question.
Also...There are many examples of different behaviour which desire to exert their example over other forms and groups of behaviour.
These are the "entities" you mentioned, although not all of them in action, are "monsters"
Executioners get paid,
I am encouraged that Nature has provided through science, a method of painless for everybody concerned way of dispatching unethical undesirables. The Green Mile....experimentation.
so do morticians and pediatric surgeons who have to watch children die.
So do we all one way or the other. That is nice.
Lets say it is an ethical exchange to enhance the uniqueness of being aware.
No, it is not. We have protections under the law for minorities, which is where Roe v. Wade comes from. To preserve freedom from the tyranny of the masses.
Eek! Don't be too harsh of the masses! Like I said - it
might be that science encourages this stupidity.
Where exactly does "Big Brother" come into this?
It was mentioned in the thread. "Big Brother" is known to me personally to being the entity which is science and ethics. I fail to see them as the conspiracy theories suggest - however, I admit this is based upon faith and the eveidence of things unseen.
I do know that there is an unethical bracnh but would rather see this healed than cut off.
Have you even read "1984" or do you just like tossing the phrase around to demonise ideas you disagree with?
Well I have seen bits of the movie, but was not that interested.
I think I was answering a Christian, and have some knowledge of how they see big brother, which is not how George saw it entirely.
But like I say - I see BB differently, and that was the angel I was coming from in reply.
No. I know "freedom" is a difficult concept for those who choose to think as slaves, but one gains nothing to substitute a god's tyranny for something else's.
I agree. which is why I preach caution. Yes i did use the "p" word, but there you are.
There is no "tyranny" in Ethics There is Natural Sense.
Common and collective. You watch and you will know that you are correct. We are freeing ourselves, and ethics has much to do with this, God or no God is not issue.
And once again, there is no entity "Science" to "tell" anyone anything.
There is within me.
The Science Of Ethics.
It is natural and indeed preferable to a wholesome development of Awareness.
God - or no God - is here nor there.
So where you say "assume," I say "as you may." 
