Ed The JD Vance thread

[catsmate]

What bothers me more than the "pro-life" stance here is the casual assumption that women have no agency in the matter.

This is endemic among the right-wing anti-choice advocates.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...lon-musk-x-twitter-donald-trump-b2614525.html

jd vance threatens nato if europe regulates elon musks social media platform

Article is unreadable because of all the uncloseable sludge plastered over it.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

It's not unheard of. The creator of Telegram (I think) just got arrested. It was claimed he was aware of his platform being used to commit crimes. If Musk is knowingly allowing his platform to break the law, then he can be arrested. Which would be hilarious to me.

Within the EU, specifically France. I don't think the EU commission would give enough of a monkeys' about Galaxy Brain's inept attempts to interfere in the US election to arrest him.

But if he continues to defy EU laws regarding moderating disinformation on his platorm, that's a different matter.

 

[Andy_Ross]

JD said to Tucker that the polls showing Kamala Harris leading are fake and are only released to help Democrats right and steal the election by "manipulating" voters

Tucker: "So those polls are fake?"

Vance: "Oh, absolutely, they're FAKE."

https://x.com/BehizyTweets/status/1836531885935104167?t=f9CiaR7Fm5uK8FVwt5FbEQ&s=09

 

[ponderingturtle]

An "EU Official" cannot arrest anyone. A representative of sovereign government might be so empowered.

Facts are not going to do anything useful against this, this is the party of alternate facts after all.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Article is unreadable because of all the uncloseable sludge plastered over it.

Bits which are relevant lifted from it:

Trump’s running mate then suggested that US support for NATO should be used as a cudgel to get the Europeans in line.

“So what America should be saying is, if NATO wants us to continue supporting them and NATO wants us to continue to be a good participant in this military alliance, why don’t you respect American values and respect free speech?” Vance asked. “It’s insane that we would support a military alliance if that military alliance isn’t going to be pro-free speech. I think we can do both. But we’ve got to say American power comes with certain strings attached. One of those is respect free speech, especially in our European allies.”

“I’m not going to go to some backwoods country and tell them how to live their lives,” Vance added. “But European countries should theoretically share American values, especially about some very basic things like free speech.”

 

[newyorkguy]

...
Tucker: "So those polls are fake?"
Vance: "Oh, absolutely, they're FAKE."

Everything is fake. The news, the election results, now the polling. This way trump and vance don't have to answer questions or give their side of issues. Whatever they don't like they just label it 'fake,' and they're done with it.

...
Trump’s running mate then suggested that US support for NATO should be used as a cudgel to get the Europeans in line.

“...European countries should theoretically share American values, especially about some very basic things like free speech.”

When you say 'free speech,' don't forget to make air-quotes when saying the word 'free'!


............................................MAGA!!!

 

[plague311]

The owner of Telegram, Pavel Durov, is a French citizen and was arrested by the French police for drug trafficking and the distribution of child sexual abuse images. Allowing Trump back on X is not illegal. Vance's claim is ridiculous.

My only point was that France's charges claim that he was associated with the crimes you mentioned because he knew they were happening on his platform and due to that he was criminally liable.

If Musk is breaking EU law with his platform, knowingly, then he could be arrested. It's not unheard of. I wasn't claiming anything more or less.

 

[Stacyhs]

It's the difference between intelligence and wisdom.

Exactly!

 

[JayUtah]

I have to agree with acbytesla. Vance isn't IQ stupid, but he's an extreme right, conservative religious ideologue which makes him a special kind of stupid and dangerous.

I just realized that when Vance called Trump "America's Hitler," it was intended as a compliment.

 

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
The owner of Telegram, Pavel Durov, is a French citizen and was arrested by the French police for drug trafficking and the distribution of child sexual abuse images. Allowing Trump back on X is not illegal. Vance's claim is ridiculous.

My only point was that France's charges claim that he was associated with the crimes you mentioned because he knew they were happening on his platform and due to that he was criminally liable.

If Musk is breaking EU law with his platform, knowingly, then he could be arrested. It's not unheard of. I wasn't claiming anything more or less.

We are not in disagreement. What I questioned was what charge could be brought simply for letting Trump post on X which was Vance's claim? Is it an EU crime for an American political candidate to continually lie which is what Trump does on X?

 

[dirtywick]

trump was banned for inciting violence, not lying.

 

[plague311]

We are not in disagreement. What I questioned was what charge could be brought simply for letting Trump post on X which was Vance's claim? Is it an EU crime for an American political candidate to continually lie which is what Trump does on X?

I might have been confused to start. I thought it was about harassment on X, I didn't know it was Trump related. So much **** happening I think I might be losing my mind.

 

[Stacyhs]

trump was banned for inciting violence, not lying.

Yes, he was banned by Twitter, pre- Musk, not the EU. The EU can't control who posts on X.

 

[Stacyhs]

I might have been confused to start. I thought it was about harassment on X, I didn't know it was Trump related. So much **** happening I think I might be losing my mind.

 

[dirtywick]

Yes, he was banned by Twitter, pre- Musk, not the EU. The EU can't control who posts on X.

oh i thought you were saying something else. i see my mistake now. my bad.

 

[dudalb]

I have to agree with acbytesla. Vance isn't IQ stupid, but he's an extreme right, conservative religious ideologue which makes him a special kind of stupid and dangerous.

As I've said many times, a person can be both high IQ and stupid at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive.

But he did not show this until he got into politics.
I am not defending the guy who I think is a major league Alpha Hotel, and totally unfit to take over as POTUS, but he comes off to me just like the other guy on the ticket: an opportunist who probably knows most of what he says is crap.

 

[Stacyhs]

But he did not show this until he got into politics.
I am not defending the guy who I think is a major league Alpha Hotel, and totally unfit to take over as POTUS, but he comes off to me just like the other guy on the ticket: an opportunist who probably knows most of what he says is crap.

You keep ignoring that he converted to conservative Catholicism in 2019 and then got into right-wing politics. This isn't an act for him which is what makes him so dangerous.

 

[a_unique_person]

JD said to Tucker that the polls showing Kamala Harris leading are fake and are only released to help Democrats right and steal the election by "manipulating" voters



Tucker: "So those polls are fake?"



Vance: "Oh, absolutely, they're FAKE."



https://x.com/BehizyTweets/status/1836531885935104167?t=f9CiaR7Fm5uK8FVwt5FbEQ&s=09

I hope he got a good price for his soul when he sold it.

 

[a_unique_person]

I just realized that when Vance called Trump "America's Hitler," it was intended as a compliment.

LOL. [emoji23]