The Jan. 6 Investigation

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It doesn't matter what they connect or what they find. What matters is what they are empowered to actually do about what they find, and whether they are willing to exercise that power. The impeachment investigation was willing, but all they could do was call for a removal vote that would never pass. Mueller wasn't willing to arrest a sitting president despite being empowered to do so.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
It doesn't matter what they connect or what they find. What matters is what they are empowered to actually do about what they find, and whether they are willing to exercise that power. The impeachment investigation was willing, but all they could do was call for a removal vote that would never pass. Mueller wasn't willing to arrest a sitting president despite being empowered to do so.
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Seems exceedingly unlikely that there will be any criminal consequences for Trump no matter what they find.

The Democrats should embrace that this is a political process. Make a spectacle out of it, lots of dazzle and drama. Make it clear to the voting public that Trump was begging for this outcome and is responsible.

The "process" isn't going to ride in on a white horse and save us. There's no teacher to tattle to. It's time to sling some mud, which turns out to be 100% accurate in this case.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Not really - all that is necessary is to connect Trump to the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers via a conspiy - which Roger Stone and Steve Bannon provide the direct link for
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That's not going to work unless you get testimony or evidence of them planning the actual attack which they most likely are smart enough not to do.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Seems exceedingly unlikely that there will be any criminal consequences for Trump no matter what they find.

The Democrats should embrace that this is a political process. Make a spectacle out of it, lots of dazzle and drama. Make it clear to the voting public that Trump was begging for this outcome and is responsible.

The "process" isn't going to ride in on a white horse and save us. There's no teacher to tattle to. It's time to sling some mud, which turns out to be 100% accurate in this case.
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I look for Trump not to be charged the only thing they can get him on is failure to defend the Constitution, that's why they may want my testimony I can Tie everything too how it actually began. Get the story of Trump the Conspiracy theorist Russian useful idiot out in the open where all can see it.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
Basically it's going to come down to what Trump did in that 2 and a half Hours that he set in the White House.
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I thought it was like 3 hours and 20 minutes. Anyone have a reliable cite for the length of time of Trump's inaction in response to the January 6th violence? I think the fact their are cooperating witnesses who testified that he was watching the riots on TV cheering the rioters on should be taken into account showing his complicity.
 
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acbytesla said:
I thought it was like 3 hours and 20 minutes. Anyone have a reliable cite for the length of time of Trump's inaction in response to the January 6th violence? I think the fact their are cooperating witnesses who testified that he was watching the riots on TV cheering the rioters on should be taken into account showing his complicity.
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I was using the time the Committee members used.
There were also over 2000 people In the Capitol from last reports.
 
Stacyhs said:
I think the J6C has a lot more evidence than they're letting on publicly. Trump cronies aren't know for their brilliance.
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True but the Committee's gravitas is anchored in not being partisan. Anything appearing as grandstanding puts that that in jeopardy.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
I look for Trump not to be charged the only thing they can get him on is failure to defend the Constitution, that's why they may want my testimony I can Tie everything too how it actually began. Get the story of Trump the Conspiracy theorist Russian useful idiot out in the open where all can see it.
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I don't believe that. He should be charged for insurrection, election tampering. He did this in many states with Georgia offering the best evidence.

The idea that Trump cannot be charged is obscene.
 
acbytesla said:
I don't believe that. He should be charged for insurrection, election tampering. He did this in many states with Georgia offering the best evidence.

The idea that Trump cannot be charged is obscene.
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That's the problem it's up to the states to charge him and they won't, being Republican controlled.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
That's the problem it's up to the states to charge him and they won't, being Republican controlled.
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Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis decision to charge Trump for election tampering is not subject to to State politics just as the Manhattan DA is not subject to decisions made by NY State officials.
 
As I was saying...

This committee is not conducting a legitimate investigation as Speaker Pelosi took the unprecedented action of rejecting the Republican members I named to serve on the committee," McCarthy added. "It is not serving any legislative purpose. The committee’s only objective is to attempt to damage its political opponents – acting like the Democrat Congressional Campaign Committee one day and the DOJ the next."
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GOP Leader McCarthy rejects Jan. 6 panel demand for an interview
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-mccarthy-says-he-will-not-participate-jan-6-select-committee
 
acbytesla said:
I don't believe that. He should be charged for insurrection, election tampering. He did this in many states with Georgia offering the best evidence.

The idea that Trump cannot be charged is obscene.
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If Dump skates on this, the US is signing its own death warrant as a democracy (such as it is.) You might as well give up and sit a king on his golden throne.
 
Lurch said:
If Dump skates on this, the US is signing its own death warrant as a democracy (such as it is.) You might as well give up and sit a king on his golden throne.
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I get the feeling that the GOP would be perfectly happy with that - so long as that king supports the GOP or at least doesn't interfere with their legislative agenda.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Because it is just not true.
Examine why you need it to be partisan, given that you keep reminding us that you aren't a Trump supporter.
Is it because admitting that your party actively supported the insurrection cannot be allowed to be revealed by an objective investigation?
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Warpie is using "obviously" as a wallpaper word, to cover the gaping hole in his claims.
 
catsmate said:
Warpie is using "obviously" as a wallpaper word, to cover the gaping hole in his claims.
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Incorrect.

There are 7 Dems and 2 Republicans. All were appointed by Pelosi.

The fact that some people here can't admit that this is a blatantly partisan committee is laughable. If the tables were reversed, these Dems would be squealing like Ned Beatty in Deliverence.

I suspect that the reason they insist upon this charade is that they know that even admitting that the committee is highly partisan will cast a shadow of doubt on its motives and conclusions. As it rightfully should.

Also, I don't even blame the Dems for weaponizing this political opportunity. But, at least I am honest enough to admit that this is a large part of the Intended goal. I don't expect them to admit it on Capitol Hill...but one might expect that the "critical thinkers" around here could do so.
 
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So your definition of "partisan" is: more members of one Party than the other?

Because that's not what it means.

PS: I would strongly argue that Cheney and Kitzinger are the only remaining Republicans in the House, and the other are members of this GQP.
 
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Warp12 said:
Incorrect.

There are 7 Dems and 2 Republicans. All were appointed by Pelosi.

The fact that some people here can't admit that this is a blatantly partisan committee is laughable. If the tables were reversed, these Dems would be squealing like Ned Beatty in Deliverence.
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The Great Zaganza said:
So your definition of "partisan" is: more members of one Party than the other?

Because that's not what it means.
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A partisan is someone who supports one part or party. Sometimes the support takes the form of military action, as when guerrilla fighters take on government forces. But partisan is actually most often used as an adjective, usually referring to support of a political party.
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Come on, man. Let it go, already.

This is exactly the kind of denial I am talking about. It is beyond absurd. But it is what I expect around here.
 
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It is a partisan investigation. Obviously it's political, the thing they're investigating was political. There's no non-partisan way to respond to the head of a minority party trying to illegally and violently seize power.

They are right to exclude members of the right wing party that supports the actions of both Trump and the rioters. Obviously they would only use such a position to obstruct and obscure.

Liberals really need to stop taking the bait and acting like partisan is a dirty word. I don't have much love for the Democrats, but there's a clear line in the sand that almost all of them are on the correct side of.

They're running out of time too. Decent chances they get washed in the midterms and this investigation stops. Whatever political, partisan points they plan to score they need to do pronto.
 
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