The Jan. 6 Investigation

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Warp12 said:
Damn, you needed to to invoke an anti-vaxxer reference to avoid admitting the truth about the partisan nature of this committee.

Zany stuff.
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If it's partisan it's because the GOP house member refused to participate.
Now why did they do that?
You really think you are fooling anybody with these weak arguments?
 
dudalb said:
You really think you are fooling anybody with these weak arguments?
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No. He thinks he's winning by just making them over and over so we have to stop the discussion and remind he's wrong so insanity doesn't get a soapbox.

Can't win, can't lose, can't break even, can't quit the game.
 
Warp12 said:
Damn, you needed to to invoke an anti-vaxxer reference to avoid admitting the truth about the partisan nature of this committee.

Zany stuff.
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It was a Republican President telling a crowd of Republicans to march on the Capitol, and then that crowd of Republicans turned violent and stormed the Capitol in an effort to stop the certification of a Democratic Presidential win.

How the **** is a committee devoted to studying this supposed to be non-partisan?
 
We let cops investigate other cops all of the time, and then act shocked when there are no charges filed. That's basically what Warp12 is advocating for, and I can't imagine why he wouldn't, it has been SOP for years. The fact it isn't happening the way he wants it to is what's seriously shocking to me.
 
FACTS aren't partisan. When, and if, the J6C presents evidence of collusion, etc. among GOP Congressmembers and/or Trump Admin. members with actual emails, recordings, testimonies, etc. and charges are brought by the DOJ, then the courts will decide.
 
Stacyhs said:
FACTS aren't partisan. When, and if, the J6C presents evidence of collusion, etc. among GOP Congressmembers and/or Trump Admin. members with actual emails, recordings, testimonies, etc. and charges are brought by the DOJ, then the courts will decide.
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Facts aren't partisan, but partisans aren't necessarily rational. Everything Trump & Co. did is justified through the rationalization that Biden sToLe ThE eLeCtIon!!1!

It's not their fault that Democrats made them break the law.
 
Rep. Kinzinger on twitter:

https://twitter.com/AdamKinzinger/status/1481024966468460547
1) I know this will break some hearts. For a few months, people like Tucker Carlson, MTG, Gaetz, and now Cruz have been “just asking questions” about a man named Ray Epps.

2) He was on video the day before Jan 6 saying “we’re going INTO the capitol!” The some in the crowd chanted “fed fed fed.” Why? Who knows, maybe they knew he was videoed talking about breaking into the Capitol the day before it was to happen and wanted to create distance?

3) Regardless, he was put on the FBI wanted list, then removed. Because of all of that, the conspiracy that he was an FBI agent has been gospel on the blogs and shows. -side note- this is why we have to address conspiracies not ignore them.

4) He didn’t enter the Capitol on Jan 6, and was removed from the most wanted list because apparently he broke no laws. I’m pretty sure the FBI wouldn’t be dumb enough to put their own agent on a wanted list. Ray Epps has cooperated with the Jan 6 committee and we thank him

5) on the broader issue. Let’s say Ray was an agent (HE IS NOT), the premise is that one agent can gin up a crowd to insurrection. That isn’t saying much about the intelligence of your voters is it Ted? The rioters had formal education, owned businesses etc. they knew.

6) An FBI informant is someone that is paid by or turned by law enforcement as they build broader cases. Informants are usually criminals that turn to save their own butt. An informant is not an agent. But Ted wants you to think it is. RAY is NO informant either.

7) The narrative on Jan 6 has been that it’s first antifa, or patriots who love their country, maybe crisis actors, def false flag operatives, or now FBI agents. Take your pick. Truth is they were rioters incited by lies. And RAY is no fed. Just another misled man.

While it may break hearts, it’s true. So many are misled by so few. Just look up.
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I'm disappointed that the Select Committee is trying to get Giuliani to testify. He's never going to do that. He's under active criminal investigation. This smacks of grandstanding and is counter productive. As a practical matter, they'll never get anything out of him. They'd be better off going for records and messages and forgetting about him.
 
Craig4 said:
I'm disappointed that the Select Committee is trying to get Giuliani to testify. He's never going to do that. He's under active criminal investigation. This smacks of grandstanding and is counter productive. As a practical matter, they'll never get anything out of him. They'd be better off going for records and messages and forgetting about him.
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What makes you think they aren't?

By asking RG to testify, which he'll refuse to do, then issuing a subpoena which he'll ignore, they can show possible obstruction of justice or complicity in the GOP coverup.
 
Stacyhs said:
What makes you think they aren't?

By asking RG to testify, which he'll refuse to do, then issuing a subpoena which he'll ignore, they can show possible obstruction of justice or complicity in the GOP coverup.
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They can just subpoena the records. Simply not showing up would not establish complicity. All he has to do is take the 5th if he does show up. The SDNY and FBI already have a better way to establish complicity, complete their investigation and indict him.
 
Craig4 said:
They can just subpoena the records. Simply not showing up would not establish complicity. All he has to do is take the 5th if he does show up. The SDNY and FBI already have a better way to establish complicity, complete their investigation and indict him.
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I think the J6C has a lot more evidence than they're letting on publicly. Trump cronies aren't know for their brilliance.
 
Pixel42 said:
I've never understood why people make so much of anniversaries. Why does it matter that it's exactly X years since a great victory, or a great atrocity? Why must it be remembered, and every detail of it gone over again, and the people responsible for it be praised or blamed yet again? It first struck me as ridiculous during the Irish troubles, when idiots marched to commemorate some great victory of their ancestors over their neighbours' ancestors that took place centuries earlier, inflaming passions and resentments that should have been long forgotten. But it seems to be human nature.

I can't imagine the anniversary of this particular momentous event going by without it being remembered for at least as long as there are people who were alive when it happened, whatever their political affiliation. It is one of the most extraordinary things that has occurred in the history of the US.
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Fundamentally it's down to
"Remember the atrocity committed against us Last Time that will excuse the atrocity that we’re about to commit today."
 
Stacyhs said:
I think the J6C has a lot more evidence than they're letting on publicly. Trump cronies aren't know for their brilliance.
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Basically it's going to come down to what Trump did in that 2 and a half Hours that he set in the White House.
 
It's obvious that what the J6C has already found is that Trump needed to be impeached and removed from office and banned from ever becoming President again - and that plenty of Republicans were too complicit to vote for that.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
It's obvious that what the J6C has already found is that Trump needed to be impeached and removed from office and banned from ever becoming President again - and that plenty of Republicans were too complicit to vote for that.
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The problem is groups like the Oath Keepers have openly wanted an insurrection since 2008, because they are idiot conspiracy theorists lead by lying grifters so it's hard to prove the insurrection was not planned solely by then before Trump even made his speech.
So what Trump did in the White House is critical to making a case against him.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
The problem is groups like the Oath Keepers have openly wanted an insurrection since 2008, because they are idiot conspiracy theorists lead by lying grifters so it's hard to prove the insurrection was not planned solely by then before Trump even made his speech.
So what Trump did in the White House is critical to making a case against him.
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Not really - all that is necessary is to connect Trump to the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers via a conspiy - which Roger Stone and Steve Bannon provide the direct link for
 
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