The Jan. 6 Investigation

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Warp12 said:
Come on, man. Let it go, already.

This is exactly the kind of denial I am talking about. It is beyond absurd. But it is what I expect around here.
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I would, and as a self-declared Trump critic so should you, argue that the Commission is partisan Against Democrats and For Republicans, as it aims to investigate the harm Trump has done, thus helping the GOP to rid itself of him, something the GOP clearly can't do on its own.

It is to the benefit of Democrats to run against Trump in 2024 - the findings of the Commission might prevent that.
 
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Lurch said:
If Dump skates on this, the US is signing its own death warrant as a democracy (such as it is.) You might as well give up and sit a king on his golden throne.
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That already happened when a Russian useful idiot conspiracy theorist entered into the White House, Trump lost control of the Crowd to Infowars and the Constitutional Libertarian Cultists because of Rumors Trump had a secret deal with the United States Military!
The Oath Keepers and proud Boys would never have acted if they knew Trump didn't have their back, That's what stopped them in 2008, and in 2012.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
Flip on Trump! You owe him nothing!
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I see very little reason to assume these militia groups were operating under any direct guidance or had any communication with Trump or his lackeys.

Plenty of Trump supporters understood the subtext of "stop the steal" and were not shy about their support for violence should Trump not be crowned God-King. There was never any need for Trump or others to explicitly order what happened.
 
Good. Like I keep saying if we don't get some treason/sedition/similar charges to stick nothing else matters.

This has to go down in history as what it was, not what the people who did and the people who enabled it are trying to retcon it as.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Good. Like I keep saying if we don't get some treason/sedition/similar charges to stick nothing else matters.

This has to go down in history as what it was, not what the people who did and the people who enabled it are trying to retcon it as.
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I'm not too convinced that locking up the Proud Boys or Oathkeepers will really make much difference as CHUDs willing to do violence are a renewable resource. I do think it's good that these losers are having their lives ruined purely from a schadenfreude stance.

There is probably value in not letting these people advertise how they're above the law, which is often the case for these organized, right wing political brawlers. Law enforcement letting these people run wild without impunity in smaller violent events leading up to Jan6 only emboldened the right.
 
Some lady from Michigan was arrested with an array of guns in her car at the Office for the Capitol Police:

McAttee parked in front of the building and told police she drove to Washington, D.C., from Michigan wanting to talk about "information she had about January 6, 2021," the police said.
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An unloaded .22-caliber rifle, a loaded .410-caliber shotgun and an unloaded .50-caliber muzzleloader, a type of gun loaded through the open end of the barrel, were found in her vehicle along with ammunition, the police said.
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She didn't appear violent, just cruising around with a muzzleloader, I guess.
 
plague311 said:
Some lady from Michigan was arrested with an array of guns in her car at the Office for the Capitol Police:



She didn't appear violent, just cruising around with a muzzleloader, I guess.
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Sounds like she isn't firing on all cylinders. This isn't the type of stuff you'd bring to do violence. I hope she gets help.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I see very little reason to assume these militia groups were operating under any direct guidance or had any communication with Trump or his lackeys.

Plenty of Trump supporters understood the subtext of "stop the steal" and were not shy about their support for violence should Trump not be crowned God-King. There was never any need for Trump or others to explicitly order what happened.
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By all accounts, that's not how the Oathkeepers saw it: they understood Trump's Jan 6 the rally as a call for them to occupy the Capitol and hold it until loyal troops would reinforce them.
And they did have contact with Trump associates.

Their testimony could make it really hard for Trump to claim that he never wanted violence.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
By all accounts, that's not how the Oathkeepers saw it: they understood Trump's Jan 6 the rally as a call for them to occupy the Capitol and hold it until loyal troops would reinforce them.
And they did have contact with Trump associates.

Their testimony could make it really hard for Trump to claim that he never wanted violence.
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If you believe them, they were standing by for Trump to declare martial law, which never happened. Seems more likely to me that they called an audible when things started going sideways and joined in.
 
So much for "nobody has been charged for insurrection"

Please stand by while the right wing propaganda machine settles on their next talking point.
 
Having a War Room is the physical manifestation of a conspiracy. No wonder the Commission is so interesting. No doubt it will be fascinating to learn from cell tower records who else was there.
 
But it wasn't an attempted coup! :rolleyes:

It is important to consider that federal law refers to “seditious conspiracy” as opposed to just “sedition.” There is the added burden of proof that an individual must actively be conspiring and taking steps toward a violent action against the government, not just making comments that seem to merely reflect that desire. This is to ensure that First Amendment activity is protected under the Constitution, and only actions that overtly demonstrate individuals’ plans to take dangerous steps toward overthrowing the United States’ constitutional government are charged.
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But there is a reason that many are confident that individuals involved in the riot at the Capitol will be charged on seditious conspiracy, and potentially even insurrection. The violent threats leading up to January 6, the actions taken at the Capitol, and the continued incitement of attacks on state and federal governments demonstrate a persistent and determined assault on U.S. democracy. The charges are serious and unprecedented, but so too are the violent actions that took place.
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https://www.csis.org/analysis/understanding-insurrection-and-sedition
 
ZiprHead said:
They were with Roger Stone as he went into the war room in the Willard Hotel.
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I hope they're looking closely at Stone. He's one of the sleaziest scofflaws of the bunch, and I don't doubt that he was up to his eyeballs in sedition.
 
eerok said:
I hope they're looking closely at Stone. He's one of the sleaziest scofflaws of the bunch, and I don't doubt that he was up to his eyeballs in sedition.
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I have little doubt they aren't looking very, very closely at Stone and Steve Bannon. Two of the biggest POS influencing Trump.
 
Calling the January 6th committee partisan is patently dishonest. Partisanship suggests that they are devoid of principles other than their support of the Democratic party.

Suggesting that Liz Cheney is supporting the Democratic Party is absurd beyond reasonableness. The Republican party in their steadfast opposition to finding out the facts is partisan.

God forbid the public find out the truth. That would be so partisan. More than 140 House members were involved in a coup against their own government. Republicans forged signatures on Elector ballots. Members of Congress encouraged the rioting. Some gave tours of the Capitol. Some wore bullet proof vests.

My question to Warp is "what has the committee done you find objectionable?" Why is Jim Jordan and Kevin McCarthy hiding?
 
acbytesla said:
My question to Warp is "what has the committee done you find objectionable?" Why is Jim Jordan and Kevin McCarthy hiding?
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I don't have to object to any of the committee's actions in order to state that it is a highly partisan effort, with a significant focus on political gain. Quite frankly, denying that truth only serves to make the Dems look politically inept.
 
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