The Heiwa Challenge

[FineWine]

I have no time right now but was it the chairs on C1 and the big printer on C2 or was it the other way around ?

Stupidity and snideness make an unattractive combination. You really have no sense of how ridiculous you appear.

A simple question causes you to short-circuit, and you can't draw any conclusions from your failure. The question is very easy if you're not a fool.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Bill - They don't typically use rebar to reinforce concrete floors in commercial office buildings.

All of the floors in the twin towers had reinforcement in the concrete. The floors between the core and perimeter used two layers of .230" diameter 70,000 to 90,000 psi welded wire fabric with a mesh pattern of 4" x 10". This is in the NIST Report with all of the attendant properties. You can even see photos of the reinforcement done for the floor truss tests.

 

[Baylor]

This is what The Heiwa Challenge is all about! Nothing wrong with it. It is a challenge. Just present a structure that collapses due to gravity by dropping part C on part A.

Pls note that part C must have same structure as part A and was previously carried by part A. Every OCTist I know has failed the challenge. I wonder why? Fundamentalist religious beliefs? Personal relations? Group thinking?

PM me for my bank account number. I expect it deposited by Monday.

 

[Heiwa]

I am talking about a building--a specific building--collapsing. The top thirteen floors are falling on the floor directly under them.

1. Now, when floors C1-13 hit A97, does it matter if the contents of C1 are heavier than the contents of C2? I keep asking you and your parrot, but he runs away and you babble incoherently. Give me a straight answer.

2. Here's a related question: Do all thirteen collapsing floors hit A97, or does only C1 impact on it? You have implied in the past that C1 kisses A97 gently, while C2-13 float in midair. Clarify this matter for us.

1. Loose contents of C1 will drop together with the elements of C1 they are located on. When the element of C1 contacts something, e.g. an element in A97, loose contents will evidently contact elements in C1. Maybe the loose elements will be damaged?

2. Only elements of C1 contacts elements of A97. That's the key of The Heiwa Challenge! Other elements in C are affected by forces produced by the contacts of remote elements, e.g. they are broken? You see, you cannot regard part C as one rigid mass of uniform density as certain 'expert's do.

How are you getting on with your Heiwa Challenge structure?

 

[Heiwa]

PM me for my bank account number. I expect it deposited by Monday.

Brick Apartment blows up? I cannot see any part C dropping on a part A producing a one-way crush down. It seems they remove the bottom supports of the structure and the structure collapses from bottom/up.

Pls read the conditions of The Heiwa Challenge in post #1.

 

[Baylor]

Brick Apartment blows up? I cannot see any part C dropping on a part A producing a one-way crush down. It seems they remove the bottom supports of the structure and the structure collapses from bottom/up.

Pls read the conditions of The Heiwa Challenge in post #1.

Hey genius. "They" didn't remove anything, as you the video indisputeably shows. The fire was on top as the video indisputeable shows.

Part C one-way crushed down part A!

PM me so we can take care of the money issues.

 

[releaseeabode]

Hey genius. "They" didn't remove anything, as you the video indisputeably shows. The fire was on top as the video indisputeable shows.

Part C one-way crushed down part A!

PM me so we can take care of the money issues.

You shouldn't qualify for the money for two reasons...

1. The collapse is nowhere near to satisfying the criteria as laid down by Heiwa.

2. If you don't understand the very simple criteria then how could you be trusted with that amount of money?

 

[Baylor]

You shouldn't qualify for the money for two reasons...

1. The collapse is nowhere near to satisfying the criteria as laid down by Heiwa.

2. If you don't understand the very simple criteria then how could you be trusted with that amount of money?

You're an idiot for three reasons...

1. You're defending Heiwa

2. You're defending Heiwa.

3. You think a question is a reason.

 

[Baylor]

Thanks for reporting my post!

 

[releaseeabode]

Thanks for reporting my post!

You're welcome but, your defence of your nomination for the Heiwa Challenge crumbled into nothing pretty quickly didn't it. Amazing you never sustained that and resorted to being personal at the slightest provocation.

 

[Baylor]

You're welcome but, your defence of your nomination for the Heiwa Challenge crumbled into nothing pretty quickly didn't it. Amazing you never sustained that and resorted to being personal at the slightest provocation.

2. If you don't understand the very simple criteria then how could you be trusted with that amount of money?

Hypocrite much.

You're welcome but, your defence of your nomination for the Heiwa Challenge crumbled into nothing pretty quickly didn't it.

There is no need to defend my nomination. You did not even try to explain why it did not satisfy Heiwa requirements.

 

[releaseeabode]

Hypocrite much.

If I was the one making a ridiculous claim with that collapse video I'd accept your accusation wholeheartedly. As it stands I don't think you have anything to complain about.

Have a nice life.

 

[Baylor]

If I was the one making a ridiculous claim with that collapse video I'd accept your accusation wholeheartedly. As it stands I don't think you have anything to complain about.

Have a nice life.

Try to make your fourth post worth reading. So far you're 0 for 3.

 

[releaseeabode]

This is what The Heiwa Challenge is all about! Nothing wrong with it. It is a challenge. Just present a structure that collapses due to gravity by dropping part C on part A.

Pls note that part C must have same structure as part A and was previously carried by part A. Every OCTist I know has failed the challenge. I wonder why? Fundamentalist religious beliefs? Personal relations? Group thinking?

A little of each of those comes into play but, ultimately no one will beat your challenge because the simplifications you made make the result inevitable.

The most interesting thing to learn from this challenge is how much twisting and contorting of your model people are prepared to resort to in order to make it fit with belief.

 

[Newtons Bit]

All of the floors in the twin towers had reinforcement in the concrete. The floors between the core and perimeter used two layers of .230" diameter 70,000 to 90,000 psi welded wire fabric with a mesh pattern of 4" x 10". This is in the NIST Report with all of the attendant properties. You can even see photos of the reinforcement done for the floor truss tests.

Could you site that for me, please? It's not a conspiracy theory related item, I'm just interested in the history.

 

[Newtons Bit]

A little of each of those comes into play but, ultimately no one will beat your challenge because the simplifications you made make the result inevitable.

The most interesting thing to learn from this challenge is how much twisting and contorting of your model people are prepared to resort to in order to make it fit with belief.

Which model of his are you referring to? The pizza boxes?

 

[dtugg]

I prefer the sponge model myself. Drop a sponge on a stack of ten sponges. The stack of sponges isn't destroyed! Therefore, 9/11 was an inside jobby job!

 

[bill smith]

All of the floors in the twin towers had reinforcement in the concrete. The floors between the core and perimeter used two layers of .230" diameter 70,000 to 90,000 psi welded wire fabric with a mesh pattern of 4" x 10". This is in the NIST Report with all of the attendant properties. You can even see photos of the reinforcement done for the floor truss tests.

Considering that most of the concrete was pulverised as proven by the fact that we see very little in the rubble should we not see much more mats or grids of the wire reinforcing and also much more floor pans scattered around and sticking out of te rubble piles ? Between them here must have been 200 acres if laid out flat. I know a lot of it would have been crushed up and so on but both these materials (corrugated steel and mats of wire mesh) are notoriously indestructible in this kind of gravity collapse and with so much of it...?.

 

[Baylor]

A little of each of those comes into play but, ultimately no one will beat your challenge because the simplifications you made make the result inevitable.

The most interesting thing to learn from this challenge is how much twisting and contorting of your model people are prepared to resort to in order to make it fit with belief.

You are defending a man who compared the World Trade Center towers to cheese.

 

[332nd]

Considering that most of the concrete was pulverised as proven by the fact that we see very little in the rubble should we not see much more mats or grids of the wire reinforcing and also much more floor pans scattered around and sticking out of te rubble piles ? Between them here must have been 200 acres if laid out flat. I know a lot of it would have been crushed up and so on but both these materials (corrugated steel and mats of wire mesh) are notoriously indestructible in this kind of gravity collapse and with so much of it...?.

When did you see how much was in the rubble?