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The Heiwa Challenge

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bill smith said:
Clarify this then. When they poured the concrete and added the rebar it was still wet right ? So how did the floorpans which were up to 1/48th of an acre in size each support that weight of concrete and steel if the steel was only as thick as you imply (0.029''). I hope you were not being misleading ?
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The floor pans were corrugated or fluted which gave them stiffness.
 
bill smith said:
Clarify this then. When they poured the concrete and added the rebar it was still wet right ? So how did the floorpans which were up to 1/48th of an acre in size each support that weight of concrete and steel if the steel was only as thick as you imply (0.029''). I hope you were not being misleading ?
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The pans were well-supported by a truss system.


The trusses were very thin steel sections and anywhere the truss fireproofing was substandard and exposed to fire, the steel quickly heated to temperatures sufficient to cause a truss to fail.
 
Newtons Bit said:
I'm pretty sure that the corrugations in that diagram are going the wrong direction.
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I thought so too, at first glance.Then I noticed the bridging truss spaced out for support. It seemed ok after that. I ain't no engineer though.
 
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Newtons Bit said:
I'm pretty sure that the corrugations in that diagram are going the wrong direction.
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they are counter to the direction pans are normally run. Which is why they are supported by the bridging trusses. This allows the edge of the pans to be tack welded to the top angle iron of the upper chord on the main trusses allowing the knuckles to protrude into the concrete floor. the yellow circles show the Wye reinforcing steel tying into every other perimeter columns i mentioned earlier.

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Newtons Bit said:
Maybe Heiwa can tell me :D
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If floor pans are elements in The Heiwa Challenge structure, they may be corrugated in any direction! Please note that fire is not required to inititiate the test! Just drop part C on part A, etc.

"But let us be clear: Al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 people on that day. The victims were innocent men, women and children from America and many other nations who had done nothing to harm anybody. And yet al Qaeda chose to ruthlessly murder these people, claimed credit for the attack and even now states their determination to kill on a massive scale. They have affiliates in many countries and are trying to expand their reach. These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with". Barack Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.

Luckily, The Heiwa Challenge is apparently still possible to discuss and execute, though. Good luck with your structures. Report your facts so we can deal with them!
 
Heiwa said:
If floor pans are elements in The Heiwa Challenge structure, they may be corrugated in any direction! Please note that fire is not required to inititiate the test! Just drop part C on part A, etc.

"But let us be clear: Al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 people on that day. The victims were innocent men, women and children from America and many other nations who had done nothing to harm anybody. And yet al Qaeda chose to ruthlessly murder these people, claimed credit for the attack and even now states their determination to kill on a massive scale. They have affiliates in many countries and are trying to expand their reach. These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with". Barack Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009.

Luckily, The Heiwa Challenge is apparently still possible to discuss and execute, though. Good luck with your structures. Report your facts so we can deal with them!
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The president of the United States knows you ideas on 911 are false. But you are free to post your failed challenge; proved wrong twice on 911.

Why can't you refute the gravity collapse of the WTC towers with evidence and engineering? Your current work is wrong; when will you submit new information and calculations?
 
Tony Szamboti said:
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Some people here just don't want to get it. They don't want to see that you can't drive a nail with a hammerhead composed of a bag with loose nails in it.
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You can't? Can you prove that? Can you show me with your engineering skills how you can't get a bag (my bag is very strong) of loose nails to drive in a nail? Do I drive the nail through the air, or do you need the bag of nails moving at 2,000 mph to drive that nail through something substantial? I thought you truther engineers had an imagination but I was in error; you have delusions of CD and other idiotic and moronic conclusions on 911. I can take one loose nail and drive a nail! Bag? A bag? Who needs a stinking bag? I have used one (1) loose nail to drive a nail. ouch (are you really an engineer; I am, but you don't seem to be using that engineering stink properly)

How does an pile of loose snow move a house?

How does water cut through objects? All those loose molecules of water?

How does an explosive work? All those loose molecules of expanding gas?

How does a hand break wood? Those loose bones and skin and other hand stuff?

Why does 25,000,000 pounds make a floor in the WTC fail? 25,000,000 pounds of loose anything!

At least you are a good cheerleader for Heiwa's failed junk ideas! Keep up the good work.

Tony Szamboti said:
The floor pans were corrugated or fluted which gave them stiffness.
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You have another loyal believer who has no clue on the WTC engineering aspects but he is behind your failed CD ideas 110 percent. You are lucky to have bill smith as your expert supporter. Do you think the floor pans were explosives too like bill smith? This why Heiwa thinks his challenge is real because he believes like you do in CD as the only way the indestructible WTC towers could be taken down. How much explosives does your CD scenario take vs Heiwa's and bill smith's?

Why can't you, bill smith, and Heiwa get Robertson on board your CD train? Robertson says CD is stupid! What can you tell him about Heiwa's moronic challenge that would change Robertson's mind on this CD deal; the realcddeal?
 
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beachnut said:
Why can't you refute the gravity collapse of the WTC towers with evidence and engineering? Your current work is wrong; when will you submit new information and calculations?
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This is what The Heiwa Challenge is all about! Nothing wrong with it. It is a challenge. Just present a structure that collapses due to gravity by dropping part C on part A.

Pls note that part C must have same structure as part A and was previously carried by part A. Every OCTist I know has failed the challenge. I wonder why? Fundamentalist religious beliefs? Personal relations? Group thinking?
 
Heiwa said:
This is what The Heiwa Challenge is all about! Nothing wrong with it. It is a challenge. Just present a structure that collapses due to gravity by dropping part C on part A.

Pls note that part C must have same structure as part A and was previously carried by part A. Every OCTist I know has failed the challenge. I wonder why? Fundamentalist religious beliefs? Personal relations? Group thinking?
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Well, DUH, you forgot the obnoxious bit when you said OCTist.

Fundamentalist religious beliefs? No.
Personnel relations? No
Group thinking? No.

You challenge is complete garbage? Yup
Does anybody other than you believe the building was one way crushed? No

Will this sink in? No.

Will you back up a single claim you make? No

I wonder why.
 
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Bazant's theory depends absolutely on the upper blpck C remaining as a rigid block. The second it becomes mostly loose rubble the theory is completely blown. Why is that ? Because , although it is much heavier, a bag of nails will never drive another nail. (That's a little gem from Tony Sz. and is as true as true can be)
 
bill smith said:
Bazant's theory depends absolutely on the upper blpck C remaining as a rigid block. The second it becomes mostly loose rubble the theory is completely blown. Why is that ? Because , although it is much heavier, a bag of nails will never drive another nail. (That's a little gem from Tony Sz. and is as true as true can be)
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You never read his paper or will you understand it. Take a look at the last set of dolts who tried to refute the paper. Just like you, tony and heiwa, you guys and girls have no chance to produce any effort to refute anything about 911. You lack the evidence. Heiwa, Tony, and you are not structural engineers with any experience with the equal of the WTC towers. It is utter nonsense to see you post BS and junk ideas about Bazant's work.

What did they get wrong? Heiwa's challenge failed twice on 911 and you can't produce one paragraph worthy to support Heiwa or refute Bazant's work. Comment on this. http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/D25 WTC Discussions Replies.pdf Here is where your cut and paste support of 911 will fail to help.

BTW, I can use one nail to drive another nail; experience beats talk again.
 
beachnut said:
You never read his paper or will you understand it. Take a look at the last set of dolts who tried to refute the paper. Just like you, tony and heiwa, you guys and girls have no chance to produce any effort to refute anything about 911. You lack the evidence. Heiwa, Tony, and you are not structural engineers with any experience with the equal of the WTC towers. It is utter nonsense to see you post BS and junk ideas about Bazant's work.

What did they get wrong? Heiwa's challenge failed twice on 911 and you can't produce one paragraph worthy to support Heiwa or refute Bazant's work. Comment on this. http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/D25 WTC Discussions Replies.pdf Here is where your cut and paste support of 911 will fail to help.

BTW, I can use one nail to drive another nail; experience beats talk again.
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What about one-tenth of a nail dropped on the other 90% of the nail ?
 
bill smith said:
What about one-tenth of a nail dropped on the other 90% of the nail ?
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Haven't you heard Bill the entire scientific community now thinks this way, every scientist and engineer thinks that by dropping one tenth of a nail on the other 9/10 it will suddenly get crushed.

Everybody knows that if you drop one lemon on top of nine other lemons the other nine will suddenly get crushed, everybody knows that if you drop one pizza box on top of nine other pizza boxes they will all get crushed. It is now scientific fact and everybody thinks like this.

Who do you think you are BIll ? What planet do you and you crackpot hero live one? Who do you think you are to tell anybody what they believe?

" Well DUH them OCTist think that 1/10 of something can crush the other 9/10ths of something well DUH, lets pretend that everybody on the planet is this stupid and I am really smart, DUH". Stop for god sake Bill.

Let me spell this out to you for the billionth time.

NOBODY THINKS THAT 1/10th OF WTC1 CRUSHED THE OTHER 9/10ths.

Is that simple enough Bill ?
 
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