The Freeman Movement and England

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A Statute is proved to be unlawful when it is challenged in a court of law, under the law of this land, and found to contradict the law of this land. The judge of the court decides it. Since judges (and not politicians) are there to decide on matters of law. That is what judges are for.

The Parliament is then forced to repeal the Statute. This happened recently in the UK with a police policy of stopping and searching people. Which was proved to be UNLAWFUL. The Statute had to be repealed on that. Because the Statute was UNLAWFUL.
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Cite the specific case, please.

Interestingly, the above description is not too far off the mark as a description of what happens in a constitutional democracy. Just substitute "unconstitutional" for "UNLAWFUL". Of course, Especially doesn't understand what constitutions are, and he will insist that the law of the land is the common law (which he also doesn't understand) rather than, say, the US or Canadian constitutions.
 
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Murder is unlawful everywhere. The law of this land told us hundreds of years ago that a man or woman cannot be stopped on the public highway unless there are reasonable grounds to suspect they are committing or about to commit a crime.

Didn't know that, did you, Mojo ?

The Common Law knew this centuries before the EU was invented.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your posts.

LOL :)

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Declared to be unlawful by one of those foreign powers that you claim have no jurisdiction under the constitution. Declared to be unlawful under a treaty that you claim parliament had no power to sign us up to.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/12/stop-and-search-ruled-illegal
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Murder is unlawful everywhere. The law of this land told us hundreds of years ago that a man or woman cannot be stopped on the public highway unless there are reasonable grounds to suspect they are committing or about to commit a crime.

Didn't know that, did you, Mojo ?

The Common Law knew this centuries before the EU was invented.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your posts.

LOL :)
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What has Gillan and Quinton v. the United Kingdom got to do with the EU?
 
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Mojo,

You are a little ignorant of this subject, aren't you ?

1. The law of this land recognises the right of its people not to be subject to the laws of a foreign power

2. The law of this land recognises the right of its people not to be under the rule of a foreign power.

3. It is unlawful for politicians or members of unelected dynasties to surrender national sovereignty to a foreign power.

(All of these facts are plainly stated in the Bill of Rights)

4. The people of this land did NOT vote at any time for European Union and no referendum was ever given to them on this issue of EU membership.

These are the plain facts.

Politicians are members of an oath swearing society. Whose rules are binding on them. The rules of a society are only binding on those who are its members. But not on me. I am not a member of their oath swearing, treasonous society.

Is this simple enough for you ?

Thank You
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We had a referendum on Europe back in 75. I recall it well as it was the first time I could vote. 67% voted to stay in on a 65% turnout.
 
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Murder is unlawful everywhere. The law of this land told us hundreds of years ago that a man or woman cannot be stopped on the public highway unless there are reasonable grounds to suspect they are committing or about to commit a crime.
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However, parliament has the power to make statutes that change the law.
 
The Common Law is not 'made'. It is discovered, received, and practiced.

Who made the Law of Gravity ?

Was it -

A. MacDonalds

B. Burger King

C. Someone else ?

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So, in Especially's UK, the common law is the supreme law of the land. Parliament isn't supreme, the common law is.

Who makes the common law, Especially?
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The Common Law is not 'made'. It is discovered, received, and practiced.

Who made the Law of Gravity ?

Was it -

A. MacDonalds

B. Burger King

C. Someone else ?
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Ah, so when you say "common law", you really mean "natural law".

It would've been polite to inform us that you weren't actually referring to the common law.

(Of course, we already knew this. But at least now it's out in the open).
 
Why all the babble about the difference between common law and statue law, both apply whether you consent or not.

No freeman have so far provided evidence that they are exempt from the law.
 
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Gillan and Quinton v. the United Kingdom, ECHR, 12.1.2010.

http://www.bailii.org/eu/cases/ECHR/2010/28.html
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Thanks!

What's the current status of s. 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000? Does this ruling have any real domestic impact?

And, of course, this isn't the common law in action, but rather international treaty law - specifically, the European Convention on Human Rights.

Did you consent to that treaty, Especially?
 
Treaties are made between Societies.

I consent to all things which are consistent with the Golden Rule and with my own individual rights. Under the law of this land.

Since I never joined the EU I don't need anyone to grant me rights which I already have.

But thanks for the offer.

Shall we have a government who grants us sunshine, air, and the Golden Rule ? How about a licence to use the law of gravity ? Why do we need licences from the state to do what is already lawful ? Only slaves work like that.

LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!

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Thanks!

What's the current status of s. 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000? Does this ruling have any real domestic impact?

And, of course, this isn't the common law in action, but rather international treaty law - specifically, the European Convention on Human Rights.

Did you consent to that treaty, Especially?
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I consent to all things which are consistent with the Golden Rule and with my own individual rights. Under the law of this land.
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Are there any burdens or duties that you consent to? Such as, say, taxes of some sort? What happens to the services that those taxes pay for? If you remove consent for the taxes, do you still use the services?
 
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The monarchy itself swears to uphold the law of the land at the time of the coronation.
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No it doesn't. The last coronation oath can be found on the Official Website of the British Monarchy

Once again, proof that the law of this land is the supreme lawful authority. Policemen are there to uphold the LAW OF THE LAND.
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Law of the LandWP

Which, in case you haven't noticed can be used, according to Magna Carta, to have a freeman "taken or imprisoned, or be disseised of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any other wise destroyed"

And, just in case you still don't get it. The Rule of Law. What law ? The law of this land. You can't possibly miss it, can you ?
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Seems that you can miss it and that you don't get it.

Does it get any easier ? I mean, can it get more simple than this ????
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Apparently it needs to be much, much, simpler.
 
Toke said:
Why all the babble about the difference between common law and statue law, both apply whether you consent or not.

No freeman have so far provided evidence that they are exempt from the law.
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None ever will, because they aren't exempt and therefore don't have any evidence. On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence that statutory law does apply to FOTLers, despite their protestations.

Still fun to play with them though.
 
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None ever will, because they aren't exempt and therefore don't have any evidence. On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence that statutory law does apply to FOTLers, despite their protestations.

Still fun to play with them though.
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Yes :D
 
Er, no. The Referendum of 1975 was NOT the EU. It was the European Economic Community. And it was advertised as having no impact on the sovereignty of nation states.

Try again.


Nogbad said:
We had a referendum on Europe back in 75. I recall it well as it was the first time I could vote. 67% voted to stay in on a 65% turnout.
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The Common Law is not 'made'. It is discovered, received, and practiced.

Who made the Law of Gravity ?

Was it -

A. MacDonalds

B. Burger King

C. Someone else ?
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I never agreed to being subject to gravity (he said huffily)
 
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