Ed The Cuomo Scandal.

[wareyin]

Oh please. The democratic establishment isn’t turning on him because they found out what he did. They always knew. They are turning on him because WE found out. And even now, it’s about the sex scandal, not the thousands he killed and then covered up.

When you say they "always" knew, are you inventing some sort of time loop where the Democratic establishment was aware of Cuomo's misdeeds before the investigation that uncovered them?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Often overlooked in this scandal is the resignation of a leader of "Time's Up", a supposed #metoo advocacy group.

It was revealed that the founder was attempting to kill the sexual harassment allegations by smearing one of the women that was victimized by Cuomo.

The leader of Time’s Up, the #MeToo-era organization founded by Hollywood women to fight sexual harassment, resigned under fire Monday for advising Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s administration behind the scenes in its effort to discredit one of Cuomo’s accusers.

Time’s Up said in a tweet that it agreed with Roberta Kaplan that stepping down as chair of the group’s board of directors was “the right and appropriate thing to do.”

A report issued last week by New York’s attorney general concluded that Cuomo sexually harassed 11 women. The allegations have thrown the Democrat’s career into extreme peril, threatening him with the possibility of both impeachment and criminal charges.

Kaplan, a women’s rights advocate who has a law practice of her own, counseled the administration last winter when Cuomo was hit with the first of the harassment allegations, leveled by a former economic development adviser, Lindsey Boylan.

Both Kaplan and Alphonso David, leader of the Human Rights Campaign, were consulted over a letter the Cuomo administration had drafted attacking Boylan’s credibility. Kaplan and David agreed to review the letter.

https://apnews.com/article/roberta-kaplan-times-up-resigns-f549dee46459e588797e1199376d632b

 

[wareyin]

Often overlooked in this scandal is the resignation of the founder of "Time's Up", a supposed #metoo advocacy group.

It was revealed that the founder was attempting to kill the sexual harassment allegations by smearing one of the women that was victimized by Cuomo.



https://apnews.com/article/roberta-kaplan-times-up-resigns-f549dee46459e588797e1199376d632b

That's pretty messed up. An organization founded to fight sexual harassment, led by a women's rights advocating lawyer was working to protect the harasser and attack the harassee?

 

[Upchurch]

Oh please. The democratic establishment isn’t turning on him because they found out what he did. They always knew. They are turning on him because WE found out. And even now, it’s about the sex scandal, not the thousands he killed and then covered up.

Shame the million dollar challenge isn’t still around. You might have a chance with mind reading like that.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Oh please. The democratic establishment isn’t turning on him because they found out what he did. They always knew. They are turning on him because WE found out. And even now, it’s about the sex scandal, not the thousands he killed and then covered up.

So all, or at least most, Democrats knew that Cuomo was sexually harassing women, but kept it a secret from Republicans?

That's Apollo hoax/flat earth level conspiracy theorizing right there, in that it asserts the complicity of literally millions of people in keeping a secret.

 

[wareyin]

So all, or at least most, Democrats knew that Cuomo was sexually harassing women, but kept it a secret from Republicans?

That's Apollo hoax/flat earth level conspiracy theorizing right there, in that it asserts the complicity of literally millions of people in keeping a secret.

To be fair, Zig did say "Democratic establishment", not Democratic voters. His conspiracy is only at the 'hundreds of thousands keeping a secret' level, not millions.

 

[Ziggurat]

When you say they "always" knew, are you inventing some sort of time loop where the Democratic establishment was aware of Cuomo's misdeeds before the investigation that uncovered them?

In detail? Probably not. But sexual predators like him don't continue because nobody knows, but because nobody in power cares. You can't keep **** like that a secret, not really. It's the same as with Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein. The people around him knew, and everyone else in the capitol probably heard rumors. They can feign ignorance all they want, but if you believe them, you're a rube.

 

[Ziggurat]

So all, or at least most, Democrats knew that Cuomo was sexually harassing women, but kept it a secret from Republicans?

Who said they kept if from Republicans? I certainly didn't.

And wareyin is correct, I'm not talking about voters, but about other politicians. I'm sure there were Republican politicians who knew. Again, maybe not in detail, but enough to know he was a creep. I'm not naive enough to think anyone in Albany is a saint. I'm not seeing Republicans cast themselves in glory here, but if you think anything about Cuomo reflects well on Democrats, well, you are that naive.

 

[Stacyhs]

I do have to wonder, though, if after all this sexual harassment by Cuomo was publicly revealed, if Democrats would still have elected him to the presidency?

Nah, just kidding. I'm not wondering at all.

 

[Ziggurat]

Shame the million dollar challenge isn’t still around. You might have a chance with mind reading like that.

It doesn't take mind reading skills, only a little knowledge of history and basic human nature. These scandals are all the same. The Catholic Church, Weinstein & Epstein, Matt Lauer, Bill Cosby, and more. These people didn't commit single acts of transgression, they had extensive patterns of misbehavior, with many, many victims. People notice patterns, even if they remain silent.. And that too is a pattern: silence in the face of powerful people misbehaving. But people, including victims, still talk, even if not publicly, and rumors spread. People in the know, know. But they don't say anything, because again, the perpetrators have power. There's nothing about Cuomo that makes him special. Nothing he did would make his actions any more hidden than those of countless other people in power that everyone else in power knew was misbehaving but did nothing about.

If you can't recognize that pattern, you're an idiot. I don't think you're an idiot, but you do seem to be playing dumb.

 

[dudalb]

Who said they kept if from Republicans? I certainly didn't.

And wareyin is correct, I'm not talking about voters, but about other politicians. I'm sure there were Republican politicians who knew. Again, maybe not in detail, but enough to know he was a creep. I'm not naive enough to think anyone in Albany is a saint. I'm not seeing Republicans cast themselves in glory here, but if you think anything about Cuomo reflects well on Democrats, well, you are that naive.

At least the Dems forced Cuomo out. I see Gaetz is still in the COngress....

 

[Ziggurat]

At least the Dems forced Cuomo out. I see Gaetz is still in the COngress....

These are not equivalent scenarios. Leaving aside issues of timing (Cuomo was only forced out after the public release of the official investigation report, no similar report has been made public for Gaetz), Dems forced Cuomo out with threat of impeachment. But Congressmen cannot be impeached. How exactly do you think Republicans can force him to resign?

 

[wareyin]

It doesn't take mind reading skills, only a little knowledge of history and basic human nature. These scandals are all the same. The Catholic Church, Weinstein & Epstein, Matt Lauer, Bill Cosby, and more. These people didn't commit single acts of transgression, they had extensive patterns of misbehavior, with many, many victims. People notice patterns, even if they remain silent.. And that too is a pattern: silence in the face of powerful people misbehaving. But people, including victims, still talk, even if not publicly, and rumors spread. People in the know, know. But they don't say anything, because again, the perpetrators have power. There's nothing about Cuomo that makes him special. Nothing he did would make his actions any more hidden than those of countless other people in power that everyone else in power knew was misbehaving but did nothing about.

Ah, rumors should be enough to force powerful people out? All rumors are then true? Most rumors? How do we apply you rumor standard, if it's against a Dem then we don't wait for an investigation, but if it's a Rep (cough, cough, Kavenaugh) then we don't even allow an investigation and just sweep it under the rug?

 

[Stacyhs]

I would ask how public the women, who later came forward, were with their experiences before the first woman went public. Did they keep it to themselves? Chances are, they may have shared them with family and friends, but with "the Dem establishment"? I doubt it. If they didn't realize this was happening to other women, they probably felt they were alone and going to higher ups in the political machine is a scary thing to do when you don't know if you'll be believed or if you could lose your job, etc. Once the first woman goes public with her story, that changes.

 

[Dr. Keith]

These are not equivalent scenarios. Leaving aside issues of timing (Cuomo was only forced out after the public release of the official investigation report, no similar report has been made public for Gaetz), Dems forced Cuomo out with threat of impeachment. But Congressmen cannot be impeached. How exactly do you think Republicans can force him to resign?

Maybe they could first show any interest in even asking him to resign.

Many of those who asked Cuomo to resign had no powers to actually impeach him.

 

[Ziggurat]

Ah, rumors should be enough to force powerful people out?

Did I say that? No, I didn't.

But if the political powers in Albany had wanted him out, they could have launched an investigation years ago. And then it wouldn't be rumors anymore. But they didn't want him out. They didn't care. They only started to care when WE found out.

All rumors are then true? Most rumors? How do we apply you rumor standard, if it's against a Dem then we don't wait for an investigation, but if it's a Rep (cough, cough, Kavenaugh) then we don't even allow an investigation and just sweep it under the rug?

If Kavanaugh is your point of comparison, then I know you're just getting desperate.

 

[Ziggurat]

I would ask how public the women, who later came forward, were with their experiences before the first woman went public. Did they keep it to themselves? Chances are, they may have shared them with family and friends, but with "the Dem establishment"? I doubt it. If they didn't realize this was happening to other women, they probably felt they were alone and going to higher ups in the political machine is a scary thing to do when you don't know if you'll be believed or if you could lose your job, etc. Once the first woman goes public with her story, that changes.

Third parties see things. None of these scandals was ever truly private. There are always other people complicit in the silence. Always. If you don't know that by now, you aren't paying attention.

 

[dudalb]

"It's bad if a Democrat does it, but OK if a Republican Does It"

 

[Dr. Keith]

If Kavanaugh is your point of comparison, then I know you're just getting desperate.

Or thirsty.

For a beer.

Because

Kavanaugh

likes

beer.

 

[wareyin]

Did I say that? No, I didn't.

But if the political powers in Albany had wanted him out, they could have launched an investigation years ago. And then it wouldn't be rumors anymore. But they didn't want him out. They didn't care. They only started to care when WE found out.

WE found out after the investigation. I know to Republicans the standard is first you decide you want the guy out, THEN you find a reason, but that's not a good way to run things.

If Kavanaugh is your point of comparison, then I know you're just getting desperate.

Well, you didn't like Gaetz, or Trump, or Roy Moore, or....etc. You know, I get the feeling that no Republican politician measures up. Like....it's only bad if a Dem does it...