The "Carlos Swett affair"

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SPECULATING?

rwald said:
Remember, this is not a static picture of a bird in one instant. This is a picture of a bird over 1/30 of a second. Birds move in 1/30 of a second, so the picture is blurred in the direction the bird was moving. The hat shape you refer to is not cause by the actual shape of the bird; it's cause by the bird's wings flapping while the picture is being taken.

If I took a 5-second long exposure picture of you walking at 5 feet per second, and then saw a 25-foot long blur in my picture, should I assume that a weird, 25-foot long paranormal object appeared in the picture? What if you raised and lowered your arms while I was taking the picture? This would make some weird bulges on top of the 25-foot long object. Should I say the object has bulges, or that the object was moving when the picture was being taken? I may not be an expert on photography, but I know more than you.
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Rwald again:

But is a HAT FORM, consult James Randi or Patricio Elicer(he is another fan of the thread) about that.

How are you sure you know more than I on photography .
Is that an speculation from an skeptic?

Focus in the HAT FORM, and take your time.

Thanks,
S&S
 
Try reading about "rods" in Randi's commentary:

http://www.randi.org/jr/053102.html

Note that these are insects, not birds, but the same principle applies. Pictures of birds taken at a longer distance with a longer exposure time would have the same effects.

Also note that the hat shape could be from one period of a sinusoidal structure. Did you consider that?
 
Well excuuuuse me!

Sorry I confused your paranormal hat with aliens.

Holy cow. You show up with a videotape with 'something' on it. And even though you can't identify it, you deem it 'paranormal.' Yet even with this earth-shattering proof you can't even come close to meeting the requirements for the challenge.

And yet you've been whining about this for how long?

So if I produce a tape showing something that resembles a jockstrap and I can't explain it then that is proof it is paranormal?

What the hell do they teach you about scientific validation where ever the hell it is you come from. You need to quit wasting your time on this silly nonsense and get politically active and demand some serious changes in your educational system if they let you grow up thinking that simply because you can't explain something it's paranormal.

Now I know you've told me a thousand time but darn old me I keep forgetting.

Exactly what was that power or ability you planed to demonstrate and under what observable conditions that would be required to meet the first rule of the challenge.

Isn't it odd that that is the one question you never answer?

I'm sure you are eager to share with us how well you qualify to back up your claim that you were so unfairly treated.

I'm sure you meant to answer this earlier but simply overlooked it.
 
Well at least he doesn't see a bra or panties.

He has enough issues as it is.
 
Hello sorry to butt in. This is off topic, but to Blue Monk. I like your Steven Wright joke in sig. He so funny with that dead pan tone of voice. Reminds me of a joke he told the one time I saw him in person. He said he lived on a dead end one way street. :o)
He is one of my favorites. I will butt back out.
 
angelinthemorning said:
Hello sorry to butt in. This is off topic, but to Blue Monk. I like your Steven Wright joke in sig. He so funny with that dead pan tone of voice. Reminds me of a joke he told the one time I saw him in person. He said he lived on a dead end one way street. :o)
He is one of my favorites. I will butt back out.
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Oh yeah, he's hillarious!

"Once someone broke into my house and replaced everything with an exact duplicate."

"Sometimes when I'm driving I stick my head out of the window to smile for satelite photos."

"I once called information and said, 'Where's my sock?' She said, 'Behind the couch'"

I could go on.
 
You guys should check out the Jesus Of The Week thread. There is a picture of a tree that has a pattern on the bark that looks like 'Jesus'. People see what they want to see.

My two cents on this thread. Look at any picture of the towers shortly after impact. The amount of explosive matter about was imense. Chards, fragments and and sundry debris would have been circulating in the air for hours. A small fragment moving close to the camera would create an illusion of a large fast moving object further away.

Bottom line is that, whatever the object is, there is no 'ability' being demonstated here. Hence no claim. But everyone that can read alreday knows that.
 
Re: WHY NOT JREF?

S&S said:


Hi Doubt:

And Why not the JREF?
Is not the kind of proof they are challenging and searching for?

So you are also afraid now?

Thanks,
S&S
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NO, THIS IS NOT THE KIND OF PROOF THEY ARE LOOKING FOR!

Sorry for shouting, but nothing anyone else has told you has gotten through your skull. The prize is for someone who can demonstrate paranormal ability.

As an example, lets say your video was of Uri Geller bending spoons. Even if Geller was doing what he claimed, the tape would not be proof. The tape has no ability to be tested, but Geller does. Geller would be the one demonstrating the paranormal ability, not you. (Also, Geller would probably try to sue you for intellectual property rights.)

So even if your tape is what you claim it is, the prize would have to be awarded to the "paranormal" hat and not to you. Even then the hat would have to present itself to be tested. The tape itself would not be enough. Please let me know if you can talk the hat into applying for the challenge. Maybe you could be its agent?

Now then, you made no attempt to answer my question, so here it is again:

Do you have a second tape that show the same "paranormal" object as the one you submitted or do you have a second tape of a different object?

Two tapes of different phenomena is no better than one tape of one phenomenon. The images posted here from your tape are not many white points in "triangle formations".

If the two tapes do not show the same object, then you have nothing. Since you mentioned no second tape before now, then I can only assume that the tapes do not show the same object and that you have no proof.
 
JUST A PARANORMAL EVENT

Blue Monk said:
Well excuuuuse me!

Sorry I confused your paranormal hat with aliens.

Holy cow. You show up with a videotape with 'something' on it. And even though you can't identify it, you deem it 'paranormal.' Yet even with this earth-shattering proof you can't even come close to meeting the requirements for the challenge.

And yet you've been whining about this for how long?

So if I produce a tape showing something that resembles a jockstrap and I can't explain it then that is proof it is paranormal?

What the hell do they teach you about scientific validation where ever the hell it is you come from. You need to quit wasting your time on this silly nonsense and get politically active and demand some serious changes in your educational system if they let you grow up thinking that simply because you can't explain something it's paranormal.

Now I know you've told me a thousand time but darn old me I keep forgetting.

Exactly what was that power or ability you planed to demonstrate and under what observable conditions that would be required to meet the first rule of the challenge.

Isn't it odd that that is the one question you never answer?

I'm sure you are eager to share with us how well you qualify to back up your claim that you were so unfairly treated.

I'm sure you meant to answer this earlier but simply overlooked it.
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Hi Blue Monk:
So now you see I was not talking about aliens, but yes of a HAT FORM of the PARANORMAL ACTIVITY.

Yes, I said it was a PARANORMAL EVENT as you see in my signature.

Why paranormal ? Is on my application too.I explained why it can not be an insect or a bidrd.
Read again, don't worry. Here is the paragraph:

"We made the first denunciations of the event (along with my brother Guillermo Swett Salas) via e-mail to the main TV chains and world organizations, and personally to the local TV channels, within the first week after the September 11, 2001 tragedy. The only news media that “dared” to broadcast the note, under its own prism, was “TELESISTEMA” of Guayaquil, Ecuador, on its news space “LA NOTICIA” on September 18, 2001 10:00 PM local time. I am sending to you additional information and the images in question on a VHS cassette tape, so that you can compare them with those broadcast in the USA by the different TV chains. It is not a bird or an insect crossing the space between the cameraman and the towers, because the image of the paranormal event is not seen against the wall of the first tower while passing by it."

See I did a propper method, I used professional equipments, I saw it in the broadcast 3/4 tapes,

A bird , an insect or superman must be seen against the wall of the first tower. It is not the case.See page 12 of this thread , there are 4 pictures of the sequence.

Only in your poor minds a dark object with a hat form is invisible over a white wall.

Birds are free to fly not only in New York, but that is not the case, check its form with latin pictures, or do yourself the analisis and you will find that HAT FORM, or maybe your" bird" with some tricks, ask Rwald how to do it.

Then read my conclution in my notarized application (page 2 of this thread).

Or ask Randi why he is still on silence about my notarized application and the poor answer and full of lies he gave me.

Don't worry keep on posting.

Thanks,
S&S
 
Blue Monk said:

No matter where you go, there you are. -Steven Wright
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Just wanted to clarify something -- did Steven Wright actually initiate this saying? I know it was used in "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai: Across the 8th Dimension" in what? 1984? Also used by one of the bad guys in the Arnold's "Commando".

Granted, the way Wright says it makes it all the funnier, especially taken in the context of the rest of his spiel.
 
alfaniner said:


Just wanted to clarify something -- did Steven Wright actually initiate this saying? I know it was used in "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai: Across the 8th Dimension" in what? 1984? Also used by one of the bad guys in the Arnold's "Commando".

Granted, the way Wright says it makes it all the funnier, especially taken in the context of the rest of his spiel.
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That I wouldn't know. I first heard it from him so that's why I attributed it to him.

Wow. On the skeptic's forum you even have to source your comedic references in your signature. Man, you guys are tough! :p
 
Carlos, Carlos, Carlos,

You are a hoot.

You have a tape which shows something even you can't identify and yet you feel that is proof it is paranormal.

You also feel you are eligible for the Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge.

You clearly are not eligible according to the rules.

To anyone interested I am officially starting the Carlos Swett Put Up Or Shut Up Benevolent Society.

It's charter is as follows:

Article 1: Carlos Swett is under no obligation to actually put up or shut up and has the unalienable right to continue his baseless whine for all eternity.

Article 2: Carlos Swett believes he is an eligible applicant for the James Randi Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge.

Article 3: It is the opinion of this society that Carlos Swett cannot meet the rules concerning this challenge that are clearly and publicly stated.

Article 4: It is the purpose of this society to attempt to elicit from Carlos Swett enough information to allow viewers of this thread to form an accurate opinion as to whether Carlos Swett does indeed meet the Challenges rules requirements.

Article 4: It is the purpose of this society to present Carlos Swett with the official rules on a rule by rule basis. This will afford Carlos Swett with the opportunity to validate his claim to eligibility within the realm of public opinion.

Article 5: This society recognizes the fact that Carlos Swett is under no obligation to reply to these requests for clarification. This society also accepts the fact that the objective observer understands that the rules and conditions of the challenge must be met before ones claims can be considered eligible.

Article 6: It is also the belief of this society that the objective observer will not accept Carlos Swetts claim to eligibility until such time he has provided to them adequate responses indicating that he can indeed meet the requirements of the challenge.

Article 7: There will be at no time, under any circumstances be any animal sacrifices.

So far this is a society of one, me. If anyone would like to join the rules for membership are simple.

Simply copy and paste the rule in question to the end of your post.

Only two outcomes are possible. Either Carlos responds to the rules or the rules get posted over and over with no response.

Rule #1

Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge
I, James Randi, through the JREF, will pay US$1,000,000 to any person who can demonstrate any psychic, supernatural or paranormal ability under satisfactory observing conditions. Such demonstration must take place under these rules and limitations.

1.Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result. This is the primary and most important of these rules.
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What powers or abilities do you plan to demonstrate and under what observable conditions? What will constitute both a positive and a negative result?
 
EVIDENCE OF ANY PARANORMAL EVENT

Blue Monk said:
Carlos, Carlos, Carlos,

You are a hoot.

You have a tape which shows something even you can't identify and yet you feel that is proof it is paranormal.

You also feel you are eligible for the Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge.

You clearly are not eligible according to the rules.

To anyone interested I am officially starting the Carlos Swett Put Up Or Shut Up Benevolent Society.

It's charter is as follows:

Article 1: Carlos Swett is under no obligation to actually put up or shut up and has the unalienable right to continue his baseless whine for all eternity.

Article 2: Carlos Swett believes he is an eligible applicant for the James Randi Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge.

Article 3: It is the opinion of this society that Carlos Swett cannot meet the rules concerning this challenge that are clearly and publicly stated.

Article 4: It is the purpose of this society to attempt to elicit from Carlos Swett enough information to allow viewers of this thread to form an accurate opinion as to whether Carlos Swett does indeed meet the Challenges rules requirements.

Article 4: It is the purpose of this society to present Carlos Swett with the official rules on a rule by rule basis. This will afford Carlos Swett with the opportunity to validate his claim to eligibility within the realm of public opinion.

Article 5: This society recognizes the fact that Carlos Swett is under no obligation to reply to these requests for clarification. This society also accepts the fact that the objective observer understands that the rules and conditions of the challenge must be met before ones claims can be considered eligible.

Article 6: It is also the belief of this society that the objective observer will not accept Carlos Swetts claim to eligibility until such time he has provided to them adequate responses indicating that he can indeed meet the requirements of the challenge.

Article 7: There will be at no time, under any circumstances be any animal sacrifices.

So far this is a society of one, me. If anyone would like to join the rules for membership are simple.

Simply copy and paste the rule in question to the end of your post.

Only two outcomes are possible. Either Carlos responds to the rules or the rules get posted over and over with no response.

Rule #1



What powers or abilities do you plan to demonstrate and under what observable conditions? What will constitute both a positive and a negative result?
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Hi Blue Monk:

blueM, blueM, blueM.
Must be easyfor you to hide in a nick name.
It doesn't matter.

So you refuses to read this:

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At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.

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ayone who can show: Carlos Swett

Under proper observing condition: a tape recorded "live" and broadcasted to the more numerous audience in the world, a clear morning with no clouds, a tape that is available in almost all the tv stations of the world, can do all the analisis you want of the "hat form" using technical equipments.

Evidence of any paranormal :CONCLUSION: THERE EXISTS A PARANORMAL ACTIVITY THAT PASSED AT A SUPERSONIC SPEED THROUGH THE HOLE LEFT BY THE FIRST PLANE ON THE OVEN-LIKE FIRST TOWER, AND EASILIY GOT OUT THE OTHER SIDE IN A RAPID DESCENDING TRAJECTORY, WITHOUT ENOUGH ROOM TO MAKE A TURN TO AVOID A COLLISION WITH THE GROUND.

Event : the 9/11/01 tragic event.


RESUME: Anyone who can show under proper observing conditions evidence of any paranormal event.

I did it.

Andrew Harter(with Randi's aprooval) also answered me, he NEVER said that my application was not valid.

He used the most stupid method to analize the tape (an unknown link of a video available in Internet) "frame by frame".

He lied when he said I made two assumptions in my application( the first is a lie and the second never mentioned).

He said that was a bird.

He said ,of course based in that poor analisis:"Nothing supernatural is taking place."

THOSE ARE FACTS; NO INTERPRETETIONS.

See Blue Monk ;James Randi is still on silence, he is still worried about Geller , Browne and dowsers; my application and the e-mails can be false. Randi is afraid because he knows he failed.

But the video EXISTS and can be analize, you can see the HAT FORM of the PARANORMAL ACTIVITY and mainly:
A bird , an insect or superman must be seen against the wall of the first tower. It is not the case.See page 12 of this thread , there are 4 pictures of the sequence.

Don't worry , I will copy this answer again if you refuse to read it.
Make points.

Thanks,
S&S
 
IMPATIENt FOR THE "PARANORMAL"

Purple Tentacle said:
two can play at this game carlos......

S&S or CARLOS,

you STILL have not addressed the fact that in THIS video from a similar angle there is NOT a paranormal hat, please respond !!!

http://www.inlex.net/bluemonk/WorldTrade01.avi
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Hi nick PURPLE TENTACLE:

So what ?
I never said it was a paranormal hat.You are lying.
And I don't like that, remember I am here because Harter and Randi lied to me.

I said it was a PARANORMAL ACTIVITY with a hat form, just like the one posted by latinijral, did you see those analisis?.

You are the one that refuses to answer my questions.

What is PARANORMAL in your definition?
Can be something that acts normally , according to earth rules, as you expect to happen?

Please define first paranormal and then YOU will have the answer to your own question.

Or ask James Randi for help, or analize "the bird" and try to find it a "bird form".

Remember I have another angle of the "paranormal activity".

You can come back again with the definition.
But don't lie again.
Please.

Thanks,

S&S
 
Carlos,

I think we are down to one of two possibilities:

1- you are a troll just having fun by pretending to be dense, so no comment will ever be fully "understood." If this is the case, oh well.

2- you actually and truly believe your claim. If this is the case, you must know by now that this forum will do nothing for you. If you believe you have been wronged, I think you should contact your local TV stations and tell your story. Try to get some support from the media. And if they don't find your story compelling, perhaps you may learn something.

But really, I think case #1 is much more likely.
 
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