The "Carlos Swett affair"

[Guest]

IS GETTING HARD TO YOU ?

Carlos,

I think we are down to one of two possibilities:

1- you are a troll just having fun by pretending to be dense, so no comment will ever be fully "understood." If this is the case, oh well.

2- you actually and truly believe your claim. If this is the case, you must know by now that this forum will do nothing for you. If you believe you have been wronged, I think you should contact your local TV stations and tell your story. Try to get some support from the media. And if they don't find your story compelling, perhaps you may learn something.

But really, I think case #1 is much more likely.

BIDLACK:

You are the military, not me.

You are also a member of the JREF.

You will be as an expositor at the "amazing meeting".

So you are part of this LIE.

About number 2:
I already did that. Ask your friend James Randi.

Check it again, is in my notarized application:

We made the first denunciations of the event (along with my brother Guillermo Swett Salas) via e-mail to the main TV chains and world organizations, and personally to the local TV channels, within the first week after the September 11, 2001 tragedy. The only news media that “dared” to broadcast the note, under its own prism, was “TELESISTEMA” of Guayaquil, Ecuador, on its news space “LA NOTICIA” on September 18, 2001 10:00 PM local time. I am sending to you additional information and the images in question on a VHS cassette tape, so that you can compare them with those broadcast in the USA by the different TV chains. It is not a bird or an insect crossing the space between the cameraman and the towers, because the image of the paranormal event is not seen against the wall of the first tower while passing by it.

If you are able to prove (and you have the technology to do it) that it is a normal and natural occurrence, we will be fond and grateful of organizations like yours whose primary goal is to pursue the truth..

CONCLUSION: THERE EXISTS A PARANORMAL ACTIVITY THAT PASSED AT A SUPERSONIC SPEED THROUGH THE HOLE LEFT BY THE FIRST PLANE ON THE OVEN-LIKE FIRST TOWER, AND EASILIY GOT OUT THE OTHER SIDE IN A RAPID DESCENDING TRAJECTORY, WITHOUT ENOUGH ROOM TO MAKE A TURN TO AVOID A COLLISION WITH THE GROUND.


Signed: Carlos Swett

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See? No fear.

Why your partners are in silence?

Don't you always have fun of trolls?

No a single word from the liars.

Who is the troll now?

Thanks,

S&S

 

[Blue Monk]

Oooooh! So close but no cigar.

You see Carlos you really must read the rules carefully.

You see rule #1 clearly states that ‘Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers or abilities will be demonstrated.’

Did you state clearly in advance? Did JREF agree with you. And what powers or abilities and observation conditions did you agree to?

Now if in fact this occurred then I owe you an apology but I would surely expect the JREF insist that we remove all those damn birds first so as to avoid confusion.

You see Carlos that is the point of a controlled observation.

So again I ask, can you meet the first rule, including stateing details of your demonstration in advance and have you come to an agreement with JREF as to those conditions as is required by the first rule.

Rule #1

Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge
I, James Randi, through the JREF, will pay US$1,000,000 to any person who can demonstrate any psychic, supernatural or paranormal ability under satisfactory observing conditions. Such demonstration must take place under these rules and limitations.

1.Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result. This is the primary and most important of these rules.

What powers or abilities do you plan to demonstrate and under what observable conditions? What will constitute both a positive and a negative result?

 

[Guest]

Oooooh! So close but no cigar.

You see Carlos you really must read the rules carefully.

You see rule #1 clearly states that ‘Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers or abilities will be demonstrated.’

Did you state clearly in advance? Did JREF agree with you. And what powers or abilities and observation conditions did you agree to?

Now if in fact this occurred then I owe you an apology but I would surely expect the JREF insist that we remove all those damn birds first so as to avoid confusion.

You see Carlos that is the point of a controlled observation.

So again I ask, can you meet the first rule, including stateing details of your demonstration in advance and have you come to an agreement with JREF as to those conditions as is required by the first rule.

Rule #1



What powers or abilities do you plan to demonstrate and under what observable conditions? What will constitute both a positive and a negative result?

Hi Blue monk:

Only a paranormal EVENT.

So you still refuses to read this?:

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At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.

_________________________________________

ayone who can show: Carlos Swett

Under proper observing condition: a tape recorded "live" and broadcasted to the more numerous audience in the world, a clear morning with no clouds, a tape that is available in almost all the tv stations of the world, can do all the analisis you want of the "hat form" using technical equipments.

Evidence of any paranormal :CONCLUSION: THERE EXISTS A PARANORMAL ACTIVITY THAT PASSED AT A SUPERSONIC SPEED THROUGH THE HOLE LEFT BY THE FIRST PLANE ON THE OVEN-LIKE FIRST TOWER, AND EASILIY GOT OUT THE OTHER SIDE IN A RAPID DESCENDING TRAJECTORY, WITHOUT ENOUGH ROOM TO MAKE A TURN TO AVOID A COLLISION WITH THE GROUND.

Event : the 9/11/01 tragic event.


RESUME: Anyone who can show under proper observing conditions evidence of any paranormal event.

I did it.

Andrew Harter(with Randi's aprooval) also answered me, he NEVER said that my application was not valid.

He used the most stupid method to analize the tape (an unknown link of a video available in Internet) "frame by frame".

He lied when he said I made two assumptions in my application( the first is a lie and the second never mentioned).

He said that was a bird.

He said ,of course based in that poor analisis:"Nothing supernatural is taking place."

THOSE ARE FACTS; NO INTERPRETETIONS.

See Blue Monk ;James Randi is still on silence, he is still worried about Geller , Browne and dowsers; my application and the e-mails can be false. Randi is afraid because he knows he failed.

But the video EXISTS and can be analize, you can see the HAT FORM of the PARANORMAL ACTIVITY and mainly:
A bird , an insect or superman must be seen against the wall of the first tower. It is not the case.See page 12 of this thread , there are 4 pictures of the sequence.

Don't worry , I will copy this answer again if you refuse to read it.
Make points.

Thanks,
S&S

P.S.

And what about the video?, And the hat form of the paranormal activity?Don't refuse to answer those questions

 

[Blue Monk]

Yes Carlos I read that.

Now let me post the entire paragraph

Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge
At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The prize is in the form of negotiable bonds held in a special investment account. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal test. Preliminary tests are usually conducted by associates of the JREF at the site where the applicant lives. Upon success in the preliminary testing process, the "applicant" becomes a "claimant."

There's a little bit more isn't there? Did JREF help design the test and protocol and approve the conditions under which the test would take place?

This challenge comes with a very specific application and you claim to have submitted a valid application.

With that in mind I again refer to the first rule.

Rule #1

Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge
I, James Randi, through the JREF, will pay US$1,000,000 to any person who can demonstrate any psychic, supernatural or paranormal ability under satisfactory observing conditions. Such demonstration must take place under these rules and limitations.

1.Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result. This is the primary and most important of these rules.

Please note that this is only the first rule and that you must meet all of the requirments including the things that must be stated in advance and agreed upon by JREF

What powers or abilities do you plan to demonstrate and under what observable conditions? What will constitute both a positive and a negative result?

 

[Guest]

Yes Carlos I read that.


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Blue Monk :

What kind of skeptic are you are? are you more concerned in the rules or in the evidence of a paranormal activity? More concerned in the million like Randi? Poor skeptics.

Perhaps you read it, but you did not understand. You did not even answer my questions.

Remember that James Randi changed the rules after my application was received. Is a fact. just ask him or read at july commentary.

Another coincidence?
Maybe.

Or he is still afraid of write about this, perhaps his lawyers advice him to be in silence.

Is a fact he make a mistake. That`s all.

So you still refuses to understand this?:

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At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.

_________________________________________

ayone who can show: Carlos Swett

Under proper observing condition: a tape recorded "live" and broadcasted to the more numerous audience in the world, a clear morning with no clouds, a tape that is available in almost all the tv stations of the world, can do all the analisis you want of the "hat form" using technical equipments.

Evidence of any paranormal :CONCLUSION: THERE EXISTS A PARANORMAL ACTIVITY THAT PASSED AT A SUPERSONIC SPEED THROUGH THE HOLE LEFT BY THE FIRST PLANE ON THE OVEN-LIKE FIRST TOWER, AND EASILIY GOT OUT THE OTHER SIDE IN A RAPID DESCENDING TRAJECTORY, WITHOUT ENOUGH ROOM TO MAKE A TURN TO AVOID A COLLISION WITH THE GROUND.

Event : the 9/11/01 tragic event.


RESUME: Anyone who can show under proper observing conditions evidence of any paranormal event.

I did it.

Andrew Harter(with Randi's aprooval) also answered me, he NEVER said that my application was not valid.

He used the most stupid method to analize the tape (an unknown link of a video available in Internet) "frame by frame".

He lied when he said I made two assumptions in my application( the first is a lie and the second never mentioned).

He said that was a bird.

He said ,of course based in that poor analisis:"Nothing supernatural is taking place."

THOSE ARE FACTS; NO INTERPRETETIONS.

See Blue Monk ;James Randi is still on silence, he is still worried about Geller , Browne and dowsers; my application and the e-mails can be false. Randi is afraid because he knows he failed.

But the video EXISTS and can be analize, you can see the HAT FORM of the PARANORMAL ACTIVITY and mainly:
A bird , an insect or superman must be seen against the wall of the first tower. It is not the case.See page 12 of this thread , there are 4 pictures of the sequence.

Don't worry , I will copy this answer again if you refuse to read it.
Make points.

Thanks,
S&S

P.S.

And what about the video?, And the hat form of the paranormal activity?Don't refuse to answer those questions

 

[hal bidlack]

OK, Carlos, can we agree on two things?

1. The phrase "in advance" means "before the event" or "ahead of time"

can we agree to that?

2. If so, can we agree that the phrase "Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon,..." appears in the formal challenge rules?

Note that both questions are quite independent of your claim, and are not dependent in any way on whether you are right or wrong about the object.

May I please know if you agree with my definition of "in advance" and that the phrase above appears in the application?

 

[Guest]

NEW LAWYER?

OK, Carlos, can we agree on two things?

1. The phrase "in advance" means "before the event" or "ahead of time"

can we agree to that?

2. If so, can we agree that the phrase "Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon,..." appears in the formal challenge rules?

Note that both questions are quite independent of your claim, and are not dependent in any way on whether you are right or wrong about the object.

May I please know if you agree with my definition of "in advance" and that the phrase above appears in the application?

Hi Bidlack:

Now you appears as a JREF lawyer.

I know you will be at the "amazing meeting " like a conferencist also.

Why don't you focus in the image of my paranormal claimant?

You have access to sophisticated technology to analize it.

I am not lying in the "hat form" of the paranormal activity, and is a fact that the dark object can not be seen in front of thewall of the tower.

Why are you worried about the million dollars? WHY?
I am not, and you and Randi knew it already.

I am just worried in the fact that they gave me a poor answer based in a poor method. Also they lied, That's all .

Read this:

"The Foundation is committed to providing reliable information about paranormal claims. It both supports and conducts original research into such claims"
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And there is still NOT a single word by James Randi about my claim and notarized application. WHY?


Anyway, I appreciate your "new" style of reply. Is better and not insulting.Thanks for that.

Remember you are not the only one questioning me ONLY about the valid or not of my application.

I am sure that this is not the main point for an sceptic.
It s the main point for people who are thinking first in the money, like James Randi in this particular case.

Sorry for my english.

Thanks,

S&S

 

[Blue Monk]

Originally posted by S&S
What kind of skeptic are you are? are you more concerned in the rules or in the evidence of a paranormal activity? More concerned in the million like Randi? Poor skeptics.

Why would I or anybody be concerned about the million? It's not my money and the people that put it up will never see it again whether anyone wins the challenge or not.

And I would love to see someone win the challenge because I know it would be under controlled conditions. Personally I think it would be really cool for something yet unknown to be proven.

What kind of skeptic am I? Well, I skeptical enough to laugh at your silly little tape that proves nothing. I couldn't care less if you believe you see the Easter Bunny. And I'm the kind of skeptic that knows it's a waste of time trying to convince you that just because YOU can't explain something that is not proof of a paranormal phenomenon.

So why the rules? Because you have spent close to two months on this very thread doing nothing but complain about how you have been treated unfairly. You claim to have a valid application. You slander people. You call them liars and cheats and idiots all based on the rules. This whole thread has been your little monument to how everyone is a liar and evil because they are ducking your 'spectacular' proof that is no different than tens of thousands of films all over the world with these artifacts.

But that's where I have you.

Unlike the tape that can be debated forever, it's a bird, no it's not, yes it is, the rules and the very foundation for all of your vile accusations are very clear. And while these rules were important enough for you to spend two months of your life hurling charges right and left as soon as someone wants to get down to business and see exactly where you have been so grievously wronged, suddenly the exactness of the rules aren't so important.

Well I have no doubt that you will never admit that you have no valid application but I intend to continue to press the point so it will be obvious to any others who read these posts whether or not there is any foundation to your accusations based on the rules and I doubt many will be impressed by you simply posting small segments that appear to support you when I intend to follow behind you and duplicate the entire post so all can see what you deliberately left out.

For me it's not a question of what kind of skeptic I am.

For me it's a question of what kind of man you are.

As to the rule change you refer to it is referenced in the commentary dated July 5, 2002 this link is provided for any who wish to see for themselves. I'll post the relevant part immediately after this post.

Commentary, July 5, 2002

Now I'm not sure what rule change happened that would affect your claim but if you know off-hand please bring it up. If you feel it is significant I am sure I can find a copy of the rules that existed exactly at the time of your application. I'm pretty sure the main problems I have in your claim were already in place but if there is any doubt I will find them and post them if your request.

I would like to note one passage from specific section…

Excerpt from Commentary, July 5, 2002
Again, there is no judging! By anyone! And all the "agreed terms" are clearly and definitively decided and agreed to beforehand, not after the test has taken place.

The conditions of your tape were not agreed upon beforehand. Your conclusion is not proof. It only proves that you cannot explain it. That does not preclude the possibility that there can be a perfectly normal explanation that you simply haven't thought of.

Originally posted by S&S
Andrew Harter(with Randi's approval) also answered me, he NEVER said that my application was not valid.

The fact that Andrew Harter did not say your application is not the same as Andrew Harter saying it was. They simply agreed to look at your tape and nowhere in any of your own accounts do you mention that at anytime anyone telling you that your application was valid.

Originally posted by S&S
He used the most stupid method to analyze the tape (an unknown link of a video available in Internet) "frame by frame".

Granted that is far inferior than using a quality copy of the tape but is probably a clear indication of the effort he intended. I feel you have mistaken a courtesy on their part as an actual test in which case you would surely be mistaken. But ultimately it is a moot point as the tape does not qualify for the challenge regardless of what it contains.

No one familiar with the scientific process would ever accept anything on a tape made outside of control conditions as valid proof of anything. There are too many variable and too many unknown factors that one could never hope to eliminate them all which is what would be required to constitute proof.

Originally posted by S&S
He lied when he said I made two assumptions in my application( the first is a lie and the second never mentioned).

You will have to be more specific for me to address this one.

Originally posted by S&S
He said that was a bird.

I agree.

Originally posted by S&S
He said ,of course based in that poor analisis:"Nothing supernatural is taking place."

I'll be more charitable. There is no proof of anything supernatural taking place.

I believe that covers your questions.

Yes the video does exist and can be analyzed. If it is of such great importance to you I suggest you take it to a quality forensic lab and pay for their impartial analysis.

Originally posted by S&S
And what about the video?, And the hat form of the paranormal activity? Don't refuse to answer those questions

You have an image in the shape of a hat. I believe it is a bird. It may not be but there is no evidence to support that it is paranormal simply because it looks odd.

The following post is an the relevant excerpt from Randi's Commentary concerning the rules change.

 

[Blue Monk]

Relevant Excerpt from Randi's commentary dated July 5, 2002.

edited to reformat for clarity. All comments are from Randi unless quoted.
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There's a new version of the JREF Million-Dollar Challenge now up on this web site. I made small but important changes and additions, some of which were prompted by very wide - unfounded - criticism of the challenge. Here's a selection of some points that irked a chap who just doesn't want the challenge to exist, accompanied by my answers....

"Since claims vary greatly in character and scope, specific rules must be formulated for each applicant."

This means, quite reasonably, that the rules for any particular attempt cannot be finalized until a claimant steps forward and announces what he or she is going to do - bend spoons, read minds or walk on fire. But it also means that Randi will formulate the rules for each individual attempt at his challenge on an ad hoc basis. And, of course, the claimant has to agree to these ad hoc rules. If he or she does not agree, the contest will not take place at all.

Nonsense. I will not, and do not, "formulate" any rules without the cooperation and participation of the applicant. If there's any objection, we call in a person we both agree should be properly qualified to decide about the rules. It's always been this way, despite the statements - such as this one - made to the contrary.

"Tests will be designed in such a way that no 'judging' procedure is required. Results will be self-evident to any observer, in accordance with the rules which will be agreed upon by all parties in advance of any formal testing procedure taking place."

This means, quite reasonably, that there will be no interminable arguments by "experts" over statistical measurements. Either the spoon bends or it doesn't: either the claimant reads minds or he doesn't. The written rules, agreed up front, will decide.

But it also means that there will be no objective, independent judging or adjudication, by scientific criteria, carried out by qualified professional scientists. Randi alone will say whether the terms of the challenge have been met - whether the metal was bent psychically, or the electronic instrument deflected by mental power, or the remote image was correctly reproduced. In the event that the claimant insists the written terms have been met, but Randi disagrees, then it will be Randi's decision that prevails.

More nonsense. This person has ignored the statements made, and the definitions in the rules. The statement,"no 'judging' procedure is required. Results will be self-evident to any observer," covers that in detail. When hementions "whether the metal was bent psychically, or the electronic instrument deflected by mental power, or the remote image was correctly reproduced," he misses the whole situation. We don't give a damn how something happened, only whether it did happen, under careful observation. As for "whether . . . the remote image was correctly reproduced," there is absolutely no doubt about that, since a participant would be given a list of targets, and be required to choose which one was the intended one. That doesn't call for argument or a decision; it's either right or it's wrong. It's "yes" or "no."

Not only will Randi be the sole judge of whether the claimant is successful, but even if a claimant appeals on scientific grounds that he has met the agreed terms of the challenge, Randi will be the sole arbiter of any appeal as well. Randi says there will be "no judging." In reality, he is both judge and jury - not only of the claimant's cause but of his own cause as well.

Further nonsense. Again, there is no judging! By anyone! And all the "agreed terms" are clearly and definitively decided and agreed to beforehand, not after the test has taken place. There can be no appeal of whether the gold was found under the right cup, whether there were extraneous vibrations that threw the dowser off, or whether Jupiter was in the wrong sign. Go back to our encounter recently with the dowser right here at the JREF, and you'll see how a test is properly designed and carried out. We're not amateurs, though apparently you are.

It doesn't seem to have occurred to Randi that the thirty Ph.D.'s who attested to the new machine [a "free energy" device] might know a little more about physics than he does.

Randi is a non-scientist who has announced that - by some undisclosed but non-scientific means - he knows that such anomalous claims are farcical and "absurd'" and should be "tossed on the trash heap."

Let me reveal here what my "undisclosed" means consists of: I use top-notch scientists and other experts to advise me. You see, I don't fix my own teeth, I don't do my own plumbing, and I don't calculate needed statistics. I go to dentists, plumbers, and statisticians for those services. Didn't occur to you, huh? As for the "new machine," the physicists at the American Physical Society advised me that it was absurd, and that was a body of some 41,000 persons, not thirty, who provided that opinion. I think I'll go along with the majority.

And, in case you didn't know, if you look hard enough, you can always find 30 Phds who will make almost any statement you want them to. Having a Phd doesn't mean you're smart; it only means that you should be....

And who decided that PhDs are capable of detecting tricks better than magicians are?

 

[Blue Monk]

Now that I have answered your questions please answer one for me.

After weeks upon weeks of complaining of unfair treatement over your 'valid' application, an issue you felt strongly enough to slander anyone in sight, hurl accusations of liars, cheats and idiots I will now once again give you the opportunity to support your claim that you have a valid application.

Can you or can you not meet even the first requirement?

Rule #1

Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge
I, James Randi, through the JREF, will pay US$1,000,000 to any person who can demonstrate any psychic, supernatural or paranormal ability under satisfactory observing conditions. Such demonstration must take place under these rules and limitations.

1.Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result. This is the primary and most important of these rules.

What powers or abilities do you plan to demonstrate and under what observable conditions? What will constitute both a positive and a negative result?

 

[Purple Tentacle]

you are a lier carlos, you lied to us all and you lie every post you make. i dunno what you lied about but you lied, lies lies lies.

what are you too scared to answer me?

the proof is written right here ---> you are a lier

see that is proof, you beasty lier, you lie like a beast !

i declare that carlos has a PARANORMAL brain, can i have a million dollars now please?

oh wait, yeah his PARANORMAL brain is wearing a PARANORMAL hat. so there.

lier.

 

[Guest]

LIER? JUST BECAUSE you are a lier.

you are a lier carlos, you lied to us all and you lie every post you make. i dunno what you lied about but you lied, lies lies lies.

what are you too scared to answer me?

the proof is written right here ---> you are a lier

see that is proof, you beasty lier, you lie like a beast !

i declare that carlos has a PARANORMAL brain, can i have a million dollars now please?

oh wait, yeah his PARANORMAL brain is wearing a PARANORMAL hat. so there.

lier.

Hi nick purple tentacle:

Lier without proofs? Seems like a TROLL answer.

Harter lied in tha answer he gave me. There are proofs, their own words.

James Randi did changed the rules after my application. Just read what Blue Monk wrote. He investigated in that . Is a fact.

Lie about the "hat form" of the paranormal activity?Just do your own analisis.

Lie that the paranormal activity can not be seen against the wall of the fist tower? Just see the video or the pictures.
Lie about that I made the application? I have the Fedex guide.

Lie about Randi's silence about my application? Just read Randi's commentaries.

Lie that Harter or Randi NEVER said that my application was not valid? Just read the e-mails in page 1.

Lie that I don't care about the million papers? Just read the e-mails.

Lie that you don't know what paranormal is? I don't see your answer.

Lie that you are a perfect troll? NO, that's true.

Who is lying now, Puple tentacle?

See why is most important to me to fight for my honor?

Thanks,

S&S

 

[Guest]

TO BLUE MONK AND ALL THE MEMBERS CONCERNED ABOUT THE RULES

Here is my translated (by Patricio Elicer) notarized application to the challenge. The original was send in Spanish language, before James Randi changed the rules about language, too. After this you will see the answer Andrew Harter gave me and just after many request I send to James Randi to give me an answer and the only answers I received from him (JR)were insults.


Note by Patricio Elicer: I've tried to preserve as faithfully as possible the original application form. Capitals are Swett's

Notarized Application

DENUNCIATION AND DEMONSTRATION OF A PARANORMAL ACTIVITY OBSERVED BY THE SIGNER IN THE 9/11/2001 CRIMINAL ATTACK AGAINST THE WORLD TRADE CENTER IN NEW YORK CITY, USA.

In one of the several TV shots of the second tower impact, taped and broadcast by most of TV channels of the world, THE PRESENCE OF A HAT-SHAPED PARANORMAL ACTIVITY is observed. In its trajectory through the smoke, it enters the hole left by the first plane (north tower) and gets out the other side of it, giving the false impression that it “passes behind the tower”. It is possible, though with difficulty, to “see the image of the paranormal activity” moving inside the smoke cloud in the opposite direction of the shifting smoke. We recommend that the shot is watched in a frame by frame slow motion mode.

We made the first denunciations of the event (along with my brother Guillermo Swett Salas) via e-mail to the main TV chains and world organizations, and personally to the local TV channels, within the first week after the September 11, 2001 tragedy. The only news media that “dared” to broadcast the note, under its own prism, was “TELESISTEMA” of Guayaquil, Ecuador, on its news space “LA NOTICIA” on September 18, 2001 10:00 PM local time. I am sending to you additional information and the images in question on a VHS cassette tape, so that you can compare them with those broadcast in the USA by the different TV chains. It is not a bird or an insect crossing the space between the cameraman and the towers, because the image of the paranormal event is not seen against the wall of the first tower while passing by it.

If you are able to prove (and you have the technology to do it) that it is a normal and natural occurrence, we will be fond and grateful of organizations like yours whose primary goal is to pursue the truth..

CONCLUSION: THERE EXISTS A PARANORMAL ACTIVITY THAT PASSED AT A SUPERSONIC SPEED THROUGH THE HOLE LEFT BY THE FIRST PLANE ON THE OVEN-LIKE FIRST TOWER, AND EASILIY GOT OUT THE OTHER SIDE IN A RAPID DESCENDING TRAJECTORY, WITHOUT ENOUGH ROOM TO MAKE A TURN TO AVOID A COLLISION WITH THE GROUND.


Signed: Carlos Swett Salas

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Andrew Harter's answer to my application (by e-mail)

Andrew enters
quote:

We have received your application and video tape. I've seen this tape before and pointed out what was taking place to others.

You have made two assumptions, one following the other. Both are incorrect.

Your first assumption is that the object comes from behind the second tower. This is not the case. I've gone frame by frame through a copy of this video that's available on the Internet. You can clearly see that the object is IN FRONT OF THE TOWERS when you look at it frame by frame. The object is dark and difficult to see at some points against the smoke, but it is there. A bird could certainly be the culprit.

You have no claim. There is nothing supernatural taking place.

Andrew Harter
Researcher
James Randi Educational Foundation

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TO all the members that are more concerned about the rules of my application than focus in analize the image a proper way:

I always said that my main reason was share an observation I did that tragic day.

I said to the JREF that they are able to prove that using the right tecnollogy.

Even in my application I said I don't care about the prize.

I made a conclusion as rules said.
My conclusion is based in why it can not be a bird or an insect

I supported Randi's work.I never went to another kind of charlatans.

The tape I send was only referential

I told them I analized the tape at my local channels.I send also to JREF a tape of the interview TELESISTEMA made me where I am analizing with their own tape and equipments the image in question.

The tape I send was only referential. I told them to check it and compare with the one broadcasted in the USA.

I send with my application an aditional personal letter to James Randi. I have the copy.There were more references that will guide them to make a proper analisis.I just had insults from Randi,he said "what in hell are you raving about", "I don't know who you are, refresh my memory" "I want to deal with you".

I never posted this letter, but if you all estimate is necessary I will.

THEN ,I received Harter's answer where he made LIES. Just read it again:

"You have made two assumptions, one following the other. Both are incorrect.

Your first assumption is that the object comes from behind the second tower. This is not the case. I've gone frame by frame through a copy of this video that's available on the Internet. You can clearly see that the object is IN FRONT OF THE TOWERS when you look at it frame by frame. The object is dark and difficult to see at some points against the smoke, but it is there. A bird could certainly be the culprit.

You have no claim. There is nothing supernatural taking place."

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ANDREW HARTER said I made two assumptions, both incorrect.
Where are the 2 assumptions in his answer? FIRST LIE

About the only one he is refering, he said that I wrote "that the object comes from behind the second tower". SECOND LIE

I said in my application this :giving the false impression that it “passes behind the tower”.

TWo lies in a short paragraph from a JREF researcher. Is a fact. Or maybe you members have a better "interpretation"?

About the method JREF (ANDREW HARTER) used:

"I've gone frame by frame through a copy of this video that's available on the Internet. You can clearly see that the object is IN FRONT OF THE TOWERS when you look at it frame by frame."

Somebody knows the link he used?
Is the correct way to analize the image?Did I told JREF how I did it and how to do it?
Do any member here saw the object in front of the tower? Can somebody prove that?

About the valid or not of my application, Andrew wrote:

"We have received your application and video tape. I've seen this tape before and pointed out what was taking place to others.
You have no claim. There is nothing supernatural taking place."

Is there a word that my application is not valid?
Somebody knows where are the commentaries of Harter to "others"?
His conclusion based in lies and a poor method can be serious?

Now members, there are things that value more than money.That's the way I was educated and the way I educate my children.
This all stuff is only for my honor. That's all.
I said only trues. Or not?

The rules for Randi's lawyers.
all those lies are with James Randi's aprooval.

So again , just focus in this part, what I claimed (see the video and try to find "the bird") and the answer JREF gave me.
That's all for me.
First you must analize this reply and then we can go further.

Thanks,
S&S

 

[Blue Monk]

Carlos,

You have repeatedly referred to people being 'scared' of your tape. In your recent post you ask me if I am more worried about the million dollars like Randi.

This would indicate to me that you are implying that people are deliberately attempting to block your access to the challenge. Why that would be important can only exist in your mind as a) the money belongs to no one so no one has anything to lose and b) skepticism is not the attempt to disprove anything. It is simply to not accept something until it is proven and not accept the fact that it really, REALLY 'looks' paranormal as scientific proof.

So if you are not claiming that you have met the valid requirements to the challenge then, yes, you are right and the rules are not important and I'll never mention them again though I can hardly see how you've been treated unfairly if this is the case. Perhaps a couple of legitimate but petty slights one would expect the average mature adult to have let go long ago. If others did not treat your tape with the respect you believe it deserves then so what? We have not all been put on this planet for your little self-serving needs

If on the other hand you believe you have met the requirements for the challenge and are being unfairly dismissed then of course the rules are of paramount importance and I would expect you would welcome the opportunity to validate your position.

So I will ask you flat out. Do you believe you can legitimately meet the requirements?

If you don't answer I will only assume, based on your constant referral to the million dollars and the fact that people are 'scared,' that you do and I will continue to press you for clarification.

So unless you specifically inform me that you are no longer pursuing the One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge I will once again ask..

Can you or can you not meet even the first requirement of the application.

Rule #1

Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge
I, James Randi, through the JREF, will pay US$1,000,000 to any person who can demonstrate any psychic, supernatural or paranormal ability under satisfactory observing conditions. Such demonstration must take place under these rules and limitations.

1.Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result. This is the primary and most important of these rules.

What powers or abilities do you plan to demonstrate and under what observable conditions? What will constitute both a positive and a negative result?

 

[alfaniner]

Blue Monk,

you might want to format your post of 10/18/02 10:20 pm (reiterating the challenge, the objections, and the reasons for the changes). It appears there is a quote from the challenge, an objection from someone, and Randi's explanation of each point.

Someone as easily muddled as S&S might take the objection parts as Randi's quotes.

 

[Blue Monk]

Blue Monk,

you might want to format your post of 10/18/02 10:20 pm (reiterating the challenge, the objections, and the reasons for the changes). It appears there is a quote from the challenge, an objection from someone, and Randi's explanation of each point.

Someone as easily muddled as S&S might take the objection parts as Randi's quotes.

Thanks, alfaniner,

I was tired and got a little lazy, hehe.

Anything to keep things clear is welcomed.

 

[Guest]

DO YOU THINK HARTER LIED TO ME IN HIS ANSWER?

Carlos,

You have repeatedly referred to people being 'scared' of your tape. In your recent post you ask me if I am more worried about the million dollars like Randi.

This would indicate to me that you are implying that people are deliberately attempting to block your access to the challenge. Why that would be important can only exist in your mind as a) the money belongs to no one so no one has anything to lose and b) skepticism is not the attempt to disprove anything. It is simply to not accept something until it is proven and not accept the fact that it really, REALLY 'looks' paranormal as scientific proof.


? [/B]

Hi Blue Monk:

Do you think Andrew Harter lied in his answer to my application?
Why you refuse to answer my questions?
Did you understand that is a fight for my honor,? I was the one who received JREF answer (Andrew Harter and James Randi).

So again I will make you a resume. Answer please if I am wrong, you read my notarized application.

I send with my application an aditional personal letter to James Randi. I have the copy.There were more references that will guide them to make a proper analisis.I just had insults from Randi,he said "what in hell are you raving about", "I don't know who you are, refresh my memory" "I want to deal with you".

I never posted here this letter, but if you all estimate is necessary I will.

THEN ,I received Harter's answer where he made LIES. Just read it again:

"You have made two assumptions, one following the other. Both are incorrect.

Your first assumption is that the object comes from behind the second tower. This is not the case. I've gone frame by frame through a copy of this video that's available on the Internet. You can clearly see that the object is IN FRONT OF THE TOWERS when you look at it frame by frame. The object is dark and difficult to see at some points against the smoke, but it is there. A bird could certainly be the culprit.

You have no claim. There is nothing supernatural taking place."

-----------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------
ANDREW HARTER said I made two assumptions, both incorrect.

Where are the 2 assumptions in his answer? FIRST LIE

About the only one he is refering, he said that I wrote "that the object comes from behind the second tower". SECOND LIE

I said in my application this :"giving the false impression that it “passes behind the tower”.

TWo lies in a short paragraph from a JREF researcher. Is a fact. Or maybe you members have a better "interpretation"?
Answer it Blue Monk or Bidlack

About the method JREF (ANDREW HARTER) used:

"I've gone frame by frame through a copy of this video that's available on the Internet. You can clearly see that the object is IN FRONT OF THE TOWERS when you look at it frame by frame."

Somebody knows the link he used?
Is the correct way to analize the image?Did I told JREF how I did it and how to do it?
Do any member here saw the object in front of the tower? Can somebody prove that?
Answer those questions Blue Monk or Bidlack.

About the valid or not of my application, Andrew wrote:

"We have received your application and video tape. I've seen this tape before and pointed out what was taking place to others.
You have no claim. There is nothing supernatural taking place."

Is there a word that my application is not valid?
Somebody knows where are the commentaries of Harter to "others"?
His conclusion based in lies and a poor method can be serious?
Answer them Blue Monk or Bidlack.

Now members, there are things that value more than money.That's the way I was educated and the way I educate my children.
This all stuff is only for my honor. That's all.
I said only trues. Or not?

The rules for Randi's lawyers.
all those lies are with James Randi's aprooval.

So again , just focus in this part, what I claimed (see the video and try to find "the bird") and the answer JREF gave me.
That's all for me.
First you must analize this reply and then we can go further.

Thanks,
S&S

ANSWER BLUE MONK OR BIDLACK: please don't skip the questions.

 

[Guest]

IS THIS A BIRD??

????

 

[Guest]

ANOTHER LIE FROM JREF

Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge
At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The prize is in the form of negotiable bonds held in a special investment account. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal test. Preliminary tests are usually conducted by associates of the JREF at the site where the applicant lives. Upon success in the preliminary testing process, the "applicant" becomes a "claimant."


[/B]

Did JREF made all????????????

 

[Guest]

birds?????

Now if in fact this occurred then I owe you an apology but I would surely expect the JREF insist that we remove all those damn birds first so as to avoid confusion.

You have an image in the shape of a hat. I believe it is a bird. It may not be but there is no evidence to support that it is paranormal simply because it looks odd.

[/B]

BIRDS!!!!!!!!!! BLIND MONK