The "Carlos Swett affair"

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Carlos,

I don't give a damn about your tape, I don't give a damn that you've got you're panties all bunched up over Andrew.

You refuse to answer 'my' questions and the reason is clear to anyone following this thread.

Because if you don't have a valid claim then no one fears the mighty Carlos. No one is laying awake at night pulling at their hair or gnashing their teeth worried that the Mighty Carlos and his Amazing Flying Hat are gonna walk off with a million bucks.

Without a valid claim then all implications that manipulations or dishonesty by others to block the claim cease to have any credibility.

Without a valid claim that cocoon of self-importance you've wrapped yourself in falls away and this endless whining and crying by you is exposed for all that it is, a very immature man who got his feelings hurt because others aren't as impressed with his tape and that mean old Andrew accused poor little Carlos of making 'assumptions', gasp.

So what is it Carlos. Are skeptics around the world forming skeptic swat teams, code name 'Cosmic Sombrero' to battle your earth-shattering evidence (I mean it really, REALLY, 'looks' paranormal) or are you just a silly little man whose sense of 'honor' somehow allows for casting baseless doubts on the integrity of others?

It does not matter if you actually answer. It should be obvious to anyone what your refusal means.

Can you even satisfy the first rule for a valid application?

Rule #1

Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge
I, James Randi, through the JREF, will pay US$1,000,000 to any person who can demonstrate any psychic, supernatural or paranormal ability under satisfactory observing conditions. Such demonstration must take place under these rules and limitations.

1.Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result. This is the primary and most important of these rules.
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What powers or abilities do you plan to demonstrate and under what observable conditions? What will constitute both a positive and a negative result?
 
Blue Monk said:
Carlos,

I don't give a damn about your tape, I don't give a damn that you've got you're panties all bunched up over Andrew.
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Hi Blue Monk:
You refuse to answer my questions about Harter's answer, WHY?

Your silence about that is telling me that you are afraid of the truth or you are a Randi's beleiver.

Can anybody in this forum have the honesty to answer them?So again I will make you a resume. Answer please if I am wrong, you read my notarized application.

I send with my application an aditional personal letter to James Randi. I have the copy.There were more references that will guide them to make a proper analisis.I just had insults from Randi,he said "what in hell are you raving about", "I don't know who you are, refresh my memory" "I want to deal with you".

I never posted here this letter, but if you all estimate is necessary I will.

THEN ,I received Harter's answer where he made LIES. Just read it again:

"You have made two assumptions, one following the other. Both are incorrect.

Your first assumption is that the object comes from behind the second tower. This is not the case. I've gone frame by frame through a copy of this video that's available on the Internet. You can clearly see that the object is IN FRONT OF THE TOWERS when you look at it frame by frame. The object is dark and difficult to see at some points against the smoke, but it is there. A bird could certainly be the culprit.

You have no claim. There is nothing supernatural taking place."

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ANDREW HARTER said I made two assumptions, both incorrect.

Where are the 2 assumptions in his answer? FIRST LIE

About the only one he is refering, he said that I wrote "that the object comes from behind the second tower". SECOND LIE

I said in my application this :"giving the false impression that it “passes behind the tower”.

TWo lies in a short paragraph from a JREF researcher. Is a fact. Or maybe you members have a better "interpretation"?
Answer it Blue Monk or Bidlack

About the method JREF (ANDREW HARTER) used:

"I've gone frame by frame through a copy of this video that's available on the Internet. You can clearly see that the object is IN FRONT OF THE TOWERS when you look at it frame by frame."

Somebody knows the link he used?
Is the correct way to analize the image?Did I told JREF how I did it and how to do it?
Do any member here saw the object in front of the tower? Can somebody prove that?
Answer those questions Blue Monk or Bidlack.

About the valid or not of my application, Andrew wrote:

"We have received your application and video tape. I've seen this tape before and pointed out what was taking place to others.
You have no claim. There is nothing supernatural taking place."

Is there a word that my application is not valid?
Somebody knows where are the commentaries of Harter to "others"?
His conclusion based in lies and a poor method can be serious?
Answer them Blue Monk or Bidlack.

Now members, there are things that value more than money.That's the way I was educated and the way I educate my children.
This all stuff is only for my honor. That's all.
I said only trues. Or not?

Be honest enough , just answer or see the video and the correct analisis.

Thanks,

S&S
 
I already answered your first battery of questions.

What will it take to get you to answer mine?

If I answer all of your questions from the last two posts will you answer mine.

I don't answer your questions because they are stalling tactics. If you agree to answer mine I will answer yours and I will even answer yours first.

Agreed?

Can you even satisfy the first rule for a valid application?

Rule #1

Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge
I, James Randi, through the JREF, will pay US$1,000,000 to any person who can demonstrate any psychic, supernatural or paranormal ability under satisfactory observing conditions. Such demonstration must take place under these rules and limitations.

1.Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result. This is the primary and most important of these rules.
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What powers or abilities do you plan to demonstrate and under what observable conditions? What will constitute both a positive and a negative result?
 
I'll sweeten the pot.

I'll answer all of your questions from the previous two post PLUS any others you wish to add.

I'll answer them all as honestly and as thoroughly as I can. I will not tivialize them or mock you or dismiss any out of lack of interest.

I will be more than happy to do this if you will simply agree to answer mine.

Fair enough?
 
Fairly weak attempt at evasion, Carlos.

"In advance" Not a tough phrase to understand. Well, I guess it is. :)
 
Why Randi is in silence about Swett`s challenge
"That's just a suggestion to those who enter into fruitless harangues with persons who are satisfied and content with their beliefs. Wheel-spinning is a waste of intellect and time, in my opinion."----James Randi
 
BLUE MONK AND BIDLACK

Blue Monk said:
Carlos,

I don't give a damn about your tape, I don't give a damn that you've got you're panties all bunched up over Andrew.


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Hi Blue Monk:

Is that your way to have a debate as an sceptic? Poor method.
Just answer ALL my questions.Don't be afraid. Just say the truth.

Bidlacck : This is for you also, you are a member of JREf and a conferencist at the "amazing meeting".

Remember I am here because I received LIES in ANDREW HARTER'S answer to my application , with the aprooval of JAMES RANDI. Just prove they are not lies.
I told you why there are lies and the reasons.

Then we can talk in whatever you want.
Do your part, act like a real sceptic, not like a Randi's defender.

Check the video and the pictures , too.

Thanks,
S&S
 
Debate?

Who said I wanted to debate? Certainly not your foolish interpretation of what you think you see on that tape. And what happened between you and Andrew is between you and Andrew. I've never met either one you and I've only had any correspondence with you.

Matter of honor my ass.

I say you are a dishonorable, unethical little man. I say that you knowingly cast doubts on the integrity of others for your own petty, selfish and self-serving goals, namely to inflate your own ego by promoting the illusion that there is a united effort to suppress your magical hat.

You have no valid claim. No extra effort is needed to invalidate you even if your delusional belief that they would want to were true.

Bet even though you yourself are aware that you can't meet the criteria you will continue to do the dishonest, dishonorable and unethical thing by continuing to allow these false impressions continue only because it serves your own childish needs.

It is clear to any objective observer that I have attacked your so-called 'honor' far more directly and with far more clear intent than Andrew did.

So what would a man concerned about his honor do in this situation. I would expect him to either admit that he doesn't have a valid claim so as to clear any implications of dishonesty by others or to simply provide the information the would indicate his claim is indeed true, he is indeed honorable, and all of my attacks on his character false.

That's what I think an honorable man would do.

The question is what will you do.

Can you even satisfy the first rule for a valid application?

Rule #1

Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge
I, James Randi, through the JREF, will pay US$1,000,000 to any person who can demonstrate any psychic, supernatural or paranormal ability under satisfactory observing conditions. Such demonstration must take place under these rules and limitations.

1.Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result. This is the primary and most important of these rules.
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What powers or abilities do you plan to demonstrate and under what observable conditions? What will constitute both a positive and a negative result?
 
subgenius said:
Why Randi is in silence about Swett`s challenge
"That's just a suggestion to those who enter into fruitless harangues with persons who are satisfied and content with their beliefs. Wheel-spinning is a waste of intellect and time, in my opinion."----James Randi
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Dear Swett, Subgenius, S&S, Carlos ...whomever...
Please arrange a visit to the USA in the very near future. Please visit Virginia on the way down to Fla. Please get gas in Virginia. Whilist pumping stay very, very still. Don't move. Don't even twitch. Stand proud and erect.
Thank you. Best of luck.
 
ANOTHER LOSER

Blue Monk said:
Debate?

Who said I wanted to debate? Certainly not your foolish interpretation of what you think you see on that tape. And what happened between you and Andrew is between you and Andrew. I've never met either one you and I've only had any correspondence with you.

Matter of honor my ass.


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Blue Monk:

Yes you are afraid to debate.
You are doing the same that people with no arguments do: hide yourself in insults, and use the ostrich method. The same James Randi did to me.

Are you the same person who posted this?:

Originally posted by Blue Monk:

"If I answer all of your questions from the last two posts will you answer mine.

I don't answer your questions because they are stalling tactics. If you agree to answer mine I will answer yours and I will even answer yours first.

Agreed?"signed by Blue Monk

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So , you are a liar and a chicken.
You are worried about your ass, you have diarrea because YOU HAVE to answer my questions first.

Is a fact that Andrew Harter lied in his answer.
Is a fact that he used the most stupid method to analize the tape.
Is a fact that he never said that my application was not velid.
Is a fact that James Randi gave his aprooval to all this lies.
Is a fact that James Randi is still on silence about my notarized application.
Is a fact that Randi always write about charlatans, trolls and UFOS, but is afraid to write about my claim.
Is a fact that the paranormal activity has the form that latinijral posted in the pictures.
Is a fact that the paranormal activity can not be seen in front of the north tower.
Is a fact that you BLUE MONK and BIDLACK are the kind of skeptics more worried in the rules of the challenge than in the evidences.
Is a fact that you don't want and refuses to see and analize the image.
Is a fact that you are hiding behind a nickname:"LOSER BLUE MONK"



Thanks,

S&S
 
Carlos,

I don't give a damn about your tape.

I don't give a damn about your silly tiff with Andrew.

There is only one logical reason why you would refuse to answer my question.

You can't.

You have no valid claim. Period. And all this fuss is not some elaborate plan to evade you is nothing but nonsense.

Do you really think I don't care if you answer this. I love posting it over and over and my only complaint is that you don't respond quick enough so I can post it again.

People aren't stupid, Carlos. They can read. Every time anyone reads even the first rule it is clear you have no claim and there is no effort being made by anyone to block you.

Every time I post this it makes clear that all this fuss is over the fact you believe Andrew slighted you. Period.

I know that's not a glamorous as skeptics across continents uniting to turn back the Carlos challenge but that's just the way it is.

Please don't take so long to respond as I would like to post this more frequently. If you ever want to get back to discussing your tape or your silly little soap opera problem you are going to have to answer this. You have not even scratched the surface of my stubbornness.

Can you even satisfy the first rule for a valid application?

Rule #1

Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge
I, James Randi, through the JREF, will pay US$1,000,000 to any person who can demonstrate any psychic, supernatural or paranormal ability under satisfactory observing conditions. Such demonstration must take place under these rules and limitations.

1.Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result. This is the primary and most important of these rules.
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What powers or abilities do you plan to demonstrate and under what observable conditions? What will constitute both a positive and a negative result?
 
LOSER BLUE MONK

Blue Monk said:
Carlos,

I don't give a damn about your tape.

I don't give a damn about your silly tiff with Andrew.


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Blue Monk:quote:
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Originally posted by Blue Monk
Debate?

Who said I wanted to debate? Certainly not your foolish interpretation of what you think you see on that tape. And what happened between you and Andrew is between you and Andrew. I've never met either one you and I've only had any correspondence with you.

Matter of honor my ass.


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Blue Monk:

Yes you are afraid to debate.
You are doing the same that people with no arguments do: hide yourself in insults, and use the ostrich method. The same James Randi did to me.

Are you the same person who posted this?:

Originally posted by Blue Monk:

"If I answer all of your questions from the last two posts will you answer mine.

I don't answer your questions because they are stalling tactics. If you agree to answer mine I will answer yours and I will even answer yours first.

Agreed?"signed by Blue Monk

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So , you are a liar and a chicken.
You are worried about your ass, you have diarrea because YOU HAVE to answer my questions first.

Is a fact that Andrew Harter lied in his answer.
Is a fact that he used the most stupid method to analize the tape.
Is a fact that he never said that my application was not velid.
Is a fact that James Randi gave his aprooval to all this lies.
Is a fact that James Randi is still on silence about my notarized application.
Is a fact that Randi always write about charlatans, trolls and UFOS, but is afraid to write about my claim.
Is a fact that the paranormal activity has the form that latinijral posted in the pictures.
Is a fact that the paranormal activity can not be seen in front of the north tower.
Is a fact that you BLUE MONK and BIDLACK are the kind of skeptics more worried in the rules of the challenge than in the evidences.
Is a fact that you don't want and refuses to see and analize the image.
Is a fact that you are hiding behind a nickname:"LOSER BLUE MONK"



Thanks,

S&S
 

"If I answer all of your questions from the last two posts will you answer mine.

I don't answer your questions because they are stalling tactics. If you agree to answer mine I willanswer yours and I will even answer yours first.
Agreed?"signed by Blue Monk
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Yes I said that but you did not agree.

Are you now saying that you will answer my question if I answer yours.

Yes or No
 
Analizing the videotapes

All this analizing of videotapes serves only to make the evidence less palatable. Carlos, do you have some other way of handling this matter?
 
YES, WHY NOT? OF COURSE.

Blue Monk said:


Yes I said that but you did not agree.

Are you now saying that you will answer my question if I answer yours.

Yes or No
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Blue Monk:

Is this an agreetment?
Or a new challenge?
My answer:
YES; WHY NOT? OF COURSE, SURE.

But don't forget to tell the truth, and to answer all.
Again a resume:

"I told them I analized the tape at my local channels.I send also to JREF a tape of the interview TELESISTEMA made me where I am analizing with their own tape and equipments the image in question.

The tape I send was only referential. I told them to check it and compare with the one broadcasted in the USA.

I send with my application an aditional personal letter to James Randi. I have the copy.There were more references that will guide them to make a proper analisis.I just had insults from Randi,he said "what in hell are you raving about", "I don't know who you are, refresh my memory" "I want to deal with you".

I never posted here that letter, but if you all estimate that is necessary I will.

THEN ,I received Harter's answer where he made LIES. Just read it again:

ANSWER TO MY APPLICATION BY ANDREW HARTER (JREF)
"You have made two assumptions, one following the other. Both are incorrect.

Your first assumption is that the object comes from behind the second tower. This is not the case. I've gone frame by frame through a copy of this video that's available on the Internet. You can clearly see that the object is IN FRONT OF THE TOWERS when you look at it frame by frame. The object is dark and difficult to see at some points against the smoke, but it is there. A bird could certainly be the culprit.

You have no claim. There is nothing supernatural taking place."

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ANDREW HARTER said I made two assumptions, both incorrect.
*Where are the 2 assumptions in his answer? *FIRST LIE

About the only one he is refering, he said that I wrote "that the object comes from behind the second tower".* SECOND LIE

I said in my application this :"giving the FALSE impression that it “passes behind the tower”.

TWo lies in a short paragraph from a JREF researcher. Is a fact. *Or maybe you members have a better "interpretation"?

About the method JREF (ANDREW HARTER) used:

"I've gone frame by frame through a copy of this video that's available on the Internet. You can clearly see that the object is IN FRONT OF THE TOWERS when you look at it frame by frame."

*Somebody knows the link he used?
*Is THAT the correct way to analize the image?
*Did I told JREF how I did it and how to do it?
*Do any member here saw the object in front of the tower?
*Can somebody prove that?

About the valid or not of my application, Andrew wrote:

"We have received your application and video tape. I've seen this tape before and pointed out what was taking place to others.
You have no claim. There is nothing supernatural taking place."

*Is there a word IN HIS ANSWER that my application is not valid?
*Somebody knows where are the commentaries of Harter to "others"?
*His conclusion based in lies and a poor method can be serious?

Now members, there are things that value more than money.That's the way I was educated and the way I educate my children.
This all stuff is only for my honor. That's all.
I said only trues. Or not?

The rules for Randi's lawyers.
all those lies are with James Randi's aprooval.

So again , just focus in this part, what I claimed (see the video and try to find "the bird") and the answer JREF gave me.
That's all for me.
First you must analize this reply and then we can go further, to your special skeptical question about the rules.

Just answer.

Thanks,

S&S
 
Fine.

If you have any more questions you haven't asked, now's the time to do it. The sooner the better.

I'll respond soon.
 
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