The "Carlos Swett affair"

[Guest]

TO ALL THE MEMBERS

THIS IS MY NOTARIZED APPLICATION:



My application clearly says :

"....In one of the several TV shots of the second tower impact, taped and broadcast by most of TV channels of the world, THE PRESENCE OF A HAT-SHAPED PARANORMAL ACTIVITY is observed. In its trajectory through the smoke, it enters the hole left by the first plane (north tower) and gets out the other side of it, giving the false impression that it “passes behind the tower”. It is possible, though with difficulty, to “see the image of the paranormal activity” moving inside the smoke cloud in the opposite direction of the shifting smoke. We recommend that the shot is watched in a frame by frame slow motion mode.

We made the first denunciations of the event (along with my brother Guillermo Swett Salas) via e-mail to the main TV chains and world organizations, and personally to the local TV channels, within the first week after the September 11, 2001 tragedy. The only news media that “dared” to broadcast the note, under its own prism, was “TELESISTEMA” of Guayaquil, Ecuador, on its news space “LA NOTICIA” on September 18, 2001 10:00 PM local time. I am sending to you additional information and the images in question on a VHS cassette tape, so that you can compare them with those broadcast in the USA by the different TV chains. It is not a bird or an insect crossing the space between the cameraman and the towers, because the image of the paranormal event is not seen against the wall of the first tower while passing by it.

If you are able to prove (and you have the technology to do it) that it is a normal and natural occurrence, we will be fond and grateful of organizations like yours whose primary goal is to pursue the truth..

CONCLUSION: THERE EXISTS A PARANORMAL ACTIVITY THAT PASSED AT A SUPERSONIC SPEED THROUGH THE HOLE LEFT BY THE FIRST PLANE ON THE OVEN-LIKE FIRST TOWER, AND EASILIY GOT OUT THE OTHER SIDE IN A RAPID DESCENDING TRAJECTORY, WITHOUT ENOUGH ROOM TO MAKE A TURN TO AVOID A COLLISION WITH THE GROUND.
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SIGNED by CARLOS SWETT


Thanks.
S&S

P.S.
This is the translated version did by Patricio Elicer. The original was made in spanish , before J. Randi changed the rules about the language.(?)
I say that is a more or less a well translated version.

 

[Dragon]

Carlos,
I have read the application.
It's obvious you don't understand the question.

It's not your fault that English is not your first language so get some help with this.

 

[Guest]

WHO DID NOT UNDERSTAND?

Carlos,
I have read the application.
It's obvious you don't understand the question.

It's not your fault that English is not your first language so get some help with this.

Hi Dragonagain):

Too fast Dragon

I will help you and El CID :

At my application:

"......giving the false impression that it “passes behind the tower”.
It is possible, though with difficulty, to “see the image of the paranormal activity” moving inside the smoke cloud in the opposite direction of the shifting smoke. We recommend that the shot is watched in a frame by frame slow motion mode.
....... It is not a bird or an insect crossing the space between the cameraman and the towers, because the image of the paranormal event is not seen against the wall of the first tower while passing by it."
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See, Dragon, was easy:" the paranormal event is not seen against the wall of the first tower (north) while passing by it ....giving THE FALSE IMPRESSION THAT IT "PASSES BEHIND THE TOWER"

If you can demonstrate the opposite is the answer to your question. That's all Dragon. But use a correct method , not the one used by Harter.

And I am not talking now about the lies that Harter gave me in his answer to my application, perhaps he did make mistakes with the language (was in spanish)

Thank you DRAGON
Thanks,
S&S

 

[Guest]

THE MONKEYBOY at the chat.

Last night, at the same chat EL CID was with his headache, "we" were honored by the visit of the "MONKEYBOY", I "guess" he is the administrator of the chat. and another "voice" of Randi at this forum.

Well, I did some questions to him.

He was at Harter's department preparing a kind of radio show.
I asked him if he can tell Harter to come to the chat and debate personally with me, but he said Harter was in another room (?) and was not able to do it.

I asked Monkeyboy if he works for the JREF; he told me that not initially, that he works for a corporation that do some work to JREF. But he admmited that were close friends to Harter and have some internal work at the JREF.

I also asked him if Randi said at the internet radio last thursday that I was an idiot, troll, etc. He said : No, I didn't hear that.

About my question if he had look at the video or knows the link of the internet video where Harter did the "study" , he also respond that NO,

About a question of "latin ijral" if he knows that I am going to the "amazing meeting", Monkeyboy said :"I hope not", and after my request he just said :Well, pay the bill.

I recognize here that I was very incisive or kind or rude or upset by his precence at the chat.

I am giving him my public excuses . MONKEYBOY , I thought you were a member of JREF, and because of JREF silence , I did the mistake of pressure you with my questions.
I apologize to you.

I also remember Monkeyboy I was expulsed of the chat by the days I entered in this forum; I was accused of flooding or something like that.
I never did, Rwald knows and wrote about that at this thread, but I still can connect to the chat from my computer.

In your future presences at the chat , and if we are at the same time, I promise to don't disturb you with questions about my application. I hope we will debate on another subject.

Keep on going,

Thank you,

Carlos Swett

 

[rwald]

Good job, Carlos! You've told us some important things. To recap, the answer to El Cid's question is:

See, Dragon, was easy:" the paranormal event is not seen against the wall of the first tower (north) while passing by it ....giving THE FALSE IMPRESSION THAT IT "PASSES BEHIND THE TOWER"

If you can demonstrate the opposite is the answer to your question. That's all Dragon. But use a correct method , not the one used by Harter.

I still object to demanding the "correct method" when no one has agreed that Carlos's method is "correct" (or more accurately, Randi and Harter havn't agreed that Carlos's method is "correct"), but this is progress.

Also, to fix some misquotes of what MonkeyBoy said:

He was at Harter's department preparing a kind of radio show.
I asked him if he can tell Harter to come to the chat and debate personally with me, but he said Harter was in another room (?) and was not able to do it.

He said he was in Andrew's apartment. The impression I got was that Andrew was hosting a radio show in the next room, and couldn't just stop to talk to Carlos.

I asked Monkeyboy if he works for the JREF; he told me that not initially, that he works for a corporation that do some work to JREF. But he admmited that were close friends to Harter and have some internal work at the JREF.

He said his firm does some of the web design work for the JREF. So don't get any weird ideas about what "internal work" could mean.

I also asked him if Randi said at the internet radio last thursday that I was an idiot, troll, etc. He said : No, I didn't hear that.

What he actually said was more along the lines of, "I never listen to the radio show, so no, I didn't hear that." He wasn't saying Randi didn't say anything; he was just saying that he didn't know.

About my question if he had look at the video or knows the link of the internet video where Harter did the "study" , he also respond that NO,

Well, this is true, but remember, there's no reason MonkeyBoy would know about this. So, MonkeyBoy's ignorance does not imply guilt on anyone's part.

Anyway, Carlos, you've helped us all a great deal with this information. Still, there's no denying that your challenge was flawed (because Randi and Harter never agreed that your method was the "correct" method). If you will just admit this, we can continue talking about what was on the video.

RichardR: Do you have any idea how hard it is to not post to this thread? It's hard to describe, but I just can't stop.

 

[Charlie in Dayton]

Carlos, it's rather obvious to everyone but you that what's in your application DOES NOT answer the question I asked you.

I'm not asking what's on the tape, or what you interpret it to be, or any conclusions you have drawn from the image.

I'm asking what would have to be demonstrated to you to convince you that what's on the tape is something normal, everyday-of-this-world, not unusual, not paranormal. The words in your application do not answer that question.

Dragon, no apologies necessary. The more the merrier, I say.

For the 21st time, Carlos: What evidence would have to be presented to you to convince you that your tape is not an image of a paranormal event?

And by the way...someone has volunteered to post the log of last night's IRC session so everyone can read it. As soon as I get the URL, I'll post it in this thread.

Tick tock, Carlos...tempus is fugiting. Answer the question.

 

[rwald]

Actually, Carlos did answer this. If we could prove to his satisfaction using the "correct method" that the "paranormal object" is seen against the wall of the first tower while passing by, that would be enough. Right, Carlos?

 

[Charlie in Dayton]

Actually, Carlos did answer this. If we could prove to his satisfaction using the "correct method" that the "paranormal object" is seen against the wall of the first tower while passing by, that would be enough. Right, Carlos?

??????????????
Carlos did answer this? When and where? And just to be specific, did he answer the following question: "What evidence would have to be presented to you to convince you that your tape is NOT an image of a paranormal event?"

And by the way, it's not our job to prove that there's something paranormal on the tape, it's HIS responsibility...

This is a moot point, though, considering that this tape is not a valid claim for the Million Dollar Challenge. Carlos has claimed no paranormal abilities, or the ability to perform in a paranormal manner, which are covered in sections 1 and 2 of the Challenge Rules:

1.Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result. This is the primary and most important of these rules.
2.Only an actual performance of the stated nature and scope, within the agreed-upon limits, will be accepted. Anecdotal accounts of previous events are not accepted or considered. We consult competent statisticians when an evaluation of the results, or experiment design, is required. We have no interest in theories or explanations of how the claimed powers might work; if you provide us with such material, it will be ignored and discarded.

So...the only thing Carlos has claimed is that he can see an unidentified blur on a videotape. That is not paranormal ability, so his claim to the $1 million prize is not valid.

But I'm intrigued, and I repeat...when and where has Carlos answered this question: What evidence would have to be presented to you to convince you that your tape is NOT an image of a paranormal event?

This is quoted from Carlos's notarized application:

If you are able to prove (and you have the technology to do it) that it is a normal and natural occurrence, we will be fond and grateful of organizations like yours whose primary goal is to pursue the truth..

Fine..."if we are able to prove...that it is a normal and natural occurrence...".
What evidence would constitute proof? All he says in the application is that we have to prove it's normal. Well, aside from the fact that it's CARLOS who has to PROVE that IT IS PARANORMAL, not the JREF that has to prove that it isn't, I repeat the request for what constitutes proof.

Carlos, for the 22nd time: What evidence would have to be presented to you to convince you that your tape is NOT an image of a paranormal event?

 

[Guest]

THE RULES FOR THE LAWYERS

??????????????
Carlos did answer this? When and where? And just to be specific, did he answer the following question: "What evidence would have to be presented to you to convince you that your tape is NOT an image of a paranormal event?"

And by the way, it's not our job to prove that there's something paranormal on the tape, it's HIS responsibility...

This is a moot point, though, considering that this tape is not a valid claim for the Million Dollar Challenge. Carlos has claimed no paranormal abilities, or the ability to perform in a paranormal manner, which are covered in sections 1 and 2 of the Challenge Rules:



So...the only thing Carlos has claimed is that he can see an unidentified blur on a videotape. That is not paranormal ability, so his claim to the $1 million prize is not valid.

But I'm intrigued, and I repeat...when and where has Carlos answered this question: What evidence would have to be presented to you to convince you that your tape is NOT an image of a paranormal event?

This is quoted from Carlos's notarized application:


Fine..."if we are able to prove...that it is a normal and natural occurrence...".
What evidence would constitute proof? All he says in the application is that we have to prove it's normal. Well, aside from the fact that it's CARLOS who has to PROVE that IT IS PARANORMAL, not the JREF that has to prove that it isn't, I repeat the request for what constitutes proof.

Carlos, for the 22nd time: What evidence would have to be presented to you to convince you that your tape is NOT an image of a paranormal event?

Hi Cid:
Now you are with the "rule arguments" . That's OkK to Rwald. remember he lives at the chat and belongs to RANDI, He is an employee, so has to defend his salary.
But YOU , Charlie of Dayton, are suppossed to be different.
Let the rules part to the lawyers of the JREF when they will open their mouth (if they have the honesty to do it); you just concentrate in the video, remember you have afriend of the media,use the correct and technical method to analize and THEN tell me whatever you want.

My application is clear enough.
Harter (JREF) answered it with lies on it.
Harter used the most stupid method to analize it.
Harter and Randi NEVER said on their answer that my application was not valid .

Those are facts that YOU and Nobody can not refuse.
Just ask yourself why the "amazing duo" are still on silence, no a single commentarie with their sign on it. Suspicious?

I am fighting for my honor and my name.
If they lied to me , means that didn't respect me, and I am a really gladiator.so, let the rules for the trial, concentrate in the shot of the video, ask for help, I know that you are an sceptic as I am, But I go further, I am sceptic of the sceptics.

Relax, and act like one, the rest for the lawyers.

RESPECT , that's all JAMES RANDI.

Thank you Charlie

Thanks,
S&S

 

[Charlie in Dayton]

Carlos, for right now all I'm after is one simple answer, which you have not yet given me.

For the 23rd time: What evidence would have to be presented to you to convince you that your tape is NOT an image of a paranormal event?

 

[Supercharts]

There are no words to express how ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ BORED I am with this thread. Bored beyond belief. BEYOND even caring about opinion and refutation.
Oh Almighty Ed_God may this thread DIE! Kill the participants! Blind them for all eternity. There is NO POINT being made here. May they all be "Gerrifiied".

In Ed_God's name we pray.

 

[Charlie in Dayton]

Lighten up, 'charts...

Last night it only took 4 hours or so to get Carlos to run off, shrieking something about my being an out-of-control abused-as-a-child homosexual...

I want to see if I can break that record...

 

[Guest]

WOW, THE SKEPTIC IS DEBATING

There are no words to express how ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ BORED I am with this thread. Bored beyond belief. BEYOND even caring about opinion and refutation.
Oh Almighty Ed_God may this thread DIE! Kill the participants! Blind them for all eternity. There is NO POINT being made here. May they all be "Gerrifiied".

In Ed_God's name we pray.

Wow supercharts:

Your reply is the most representative of the culture and power of debate of this forum.

You are right, some partners specially that "charlie of dayton" are really bored, not originals, and with a kind of trauma or insanity.
Poor guys.

You are also wasting your time reading this thread, but some kind of morbous effect are focused in your mind though.

Is easy "supercharts" try like "zapping" on tv, just pass fast in this thread.
Besides you know the reasons why I am fighting for, the lies of Harter, the silence of Randi, the poor replies of some members, etc.

You have the category of an SKEPTIC, be proud that this computer or server gave you that designation based on the NUMBER of replies you have made and not in the quality of them.
Your God bless this forum.

Thank you Supercharts

Thanks. S&S

 

[Guest]

E-MAILS WITH THE DATE ON IT

The HISTORY of the E-mails between Carlos Swett and JREF with DATES on it.
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From: Carlos Swett

Date: date Month="4" Day="12" Year="2002">Friday, April 12, 2002:time Hour="20" Minute="50">08:50:55 PM

To: [email protected]

Cc: [email protected]

Subject: JAMES RANDI´S CLOCK UPDATE (9 DAYS)


I SEND YOU A CHALLENGE.

YOU RECIEVED IT ON :date Month="4" Day="4" Year="2002">APRIL 4, 2002:date>, THURSDAY´S MORNING.
I HAVE THE GUIDE OF FEDERAL EXPRESS THAT COMFIRMS THAT IS WAS RECIEVED ON THE FOUNDATION.

IF YOU THINK THAT I AM THE SAME KIND OF PEOPLE THAT YOU OFTEN TALK IN YOUR REPPORTS, YOU ARE WRONG. I DON´T BELIEVE IN UFOS OR OTHERS. I AM RATIONALISTIC AND I DEMAND AND ANSWER FROM YOU, THE AUTHORS OF THE CHALLENGE.

DON´T TELL ME THAT YOU DON´T UNDERSTAND MY CONCLUSIONS ( I REMEMBER YOU THAT IN FLORIDA THE SPANISH IS THE SECOND LANGUAGE, IT IS NOT JAPANESSE ). IT IS
MORE DIFFICULT TO ME TO WRITE YOU IN ENGLISH, BUT I DO MY BEST EFFORT, I GUESS THAT YOU CAN DO THE SAME.

I REMEMBER YOU THE WORDS THAT JAMES RANDI SAID ON A TV PROGRAM: " ES MI DEBER DEMOSTRAR QUE ACONTECIMIENTOS QUE PARECEN SER REALES, EN REALIDAD NO LO SON".

DON´T FORGET TO LOOK IN THRU THE SMOKE THE PARANORMAL ACTIVITY AND THAT WILL SHOWS YOU THE REAL "TRAYECTORIA" OF IT.

FORGET ABOUT THE MONEY.......IF THAT IS YOUR REAL PROBLEM.

CARLOS SWETT
GUAYAQUIL-ECUADOR

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>From: "James Randi" <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: "James Randi" <[email protected]>
>To: "Carlos Swett" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: JAMES RANDI´S CLOCK UPDATE (9 DAYS)
>Date: Sat, Month="4" Day="13" Year="2002">13 Apr 2002:time Hour="10" Minute="0">10:00:56< -0400
>
>Who are you, and what in hell are you raving about?
>
> James Randi


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From: "JREF" <[email protected]>
>To: "Carlos Swett" <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: JAMES RANDI´S CLOCK UPDATE (9 DAYS)
>Date: date Month="4" Day="15" Year="2002">Mon, 15 Apr 2002 Hour="15" Minute="0">15:00:44</st1:time> -0400
>
>We have received your application and video tape. I've seen this tape before and pointed out what was taking place to others.
>
>You have made two assumptions, one following the other. Both are incorrect.
>
>Your first assumption is that the object comes from behind the second tower.
>This is not the case. I've gone frame by frame through a copy of this video that's available on the Internet. You can clearly see that the object is IN FRONT OF THE TOWERS when you look at it frame by frame. The object is dark and difficult to see at some points against the smoke, but it is there. A bird could certainly be the culprit.
>You have no claim. There is nothing supernatural taking place.

>Andrew Harter
>Researcher
>James Randi Educational Foundation
>201 SE 12th Street:City>Fort Lauderdale</st1:City>:State>FL
>Phone (954) 467-1112
>Fax (954) 467-1660
>www.randi.org
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From: Carlos Swett

Date: date Month="4" Day="16" Year="2002">Tuesday, April 16, 2002:time Hour="0" Minute="55">12:55:15 AM

To: [email protected]

Cc: [email protected]

Subject: RE: JAMES RANDI´S CLOCK UPDATE (12 DAYS)


I AM VERY GLAD AND HAPPY THAT YOU FINALLY ANSWERED MY APPLICATION TO THE ONE MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE. THAT MEANS THAT YOU RECIEVED AND ACCEPTED IT, WITH NO OBJECTIONS AS LANGUAGE, NOTARIZED FORMS, ETC., BUT THE CONCLUSIONS YOU MADE ARE VERY POOR AND DEFICIENT.
YOU ARE A LIAR, MR. ANDREW HARTER(JREF RESEARCHER).I HOPE YOU PUT YOUR ANSWER AND MY DEMAND OR CLAIM(THE WHOLE THIRD PAGE OF MY APLICATION THAT EXPLAIN MY DEMAND AND DEMOSTRATION OF THE PARANORMAL ACTIVITY), SO THE
PEOPLE THAT VISIT YOUR WEB PAGE CAN TELL WHO IS LYING.

YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVE SEEN THIS TAPE BEFORE AND POINTED OUT WHAT WAS TAKING PLACE TO OTHERS. ¿WHEN,TO WHO,WHERE, AND WHAT?

YOU SAID THAT I MADE 2 ASSUMPTIONS, ONE FOLLOWING THE OTHER,BOTH INCORRECT.........YOU ARE A LIAR.
I DON`T MADE ASSUMPTIONS, I TOLD YOU ABOUT A PARANORMAL ACTIVITY WITH HAT FORM, THAT IN ITS TRAVELLING AND ITS PATH ACROSS THE SMOKE ENTRY IN THE HOLE OF THE FIRST TOWER AND GET OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TOWER.

YOU SAID THAT MY FIRST ASSUMPTION IS THAT THE OBJECT COMES FROM BEHINDTHETOWER..........YOU ARE LYING AGAIN. I TOLD YOU IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF MY DEMAND THAT THE PARANORMAL ACTIVITY GIVES A WRONG FIRST IMPRESSION
THAT CAMES FROM BEHIND THE FIRST TOWER.

YOU SAID THAT YOU STUDIED FRAME BY FRAME TO A COPY OF THIS VIDEO THAT IS AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET................WRONG METHOD. I TOLD YOU THAT MY
TAPE IS A REFERENCIAL GUIDE, SO YOU MUST COMPARE WITH THE IMAGES OF TV NETWORKS IN YOUR COUNTRY. I GIVE YOU A HELP: VISIT TELEMUNDO(FLORIDA) OR THE TV NETWORK THAT YOU PREFER, SO YOU CAN SEE THE PARANORMAL ACTIVITY ON A BIG SCREEN, WITH A BEST RESOLUTION, AND THE BEST TECNOLLOGY EQUIPMENT. YOUR METHOD OF WATCHING THE IMAGE ON A LITTLE COMPUTER OF AN UNKNOWN VIDEO OF THE
INTERNET IS NOT THE APPROPIATE.

I AM GLAD THAT NOW YOU CAN SEE "THE DARK OBJECT" AT SOME POINTS AGAINST THE SMOKE, WITH SOME DIFFICULTS, BUT IT IS THERE. THOSE ARE YOUR WORDS.

YOU SAID: A BIRD COULD CERTAINLY BE THE CULPRIT.
¿WHY A BIRD, AND NOT AN INSECT?
¿WHAT KIND OF BIRD?
¿A PARANORMAL BIRD?
REMEMBER THAT I TOLD YOU ON MY DEMAND THAT IT CAN NOT BE A BIRD OR AN INSECT, BECAUSE THE IMAGE OF IT DOESN`T LAY ON TOP THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOLE OF THE FIRST TOWER AND "SEEMS" TO APPEARS FROM BEHIND THE TOWER.


YOU SAID: YOU HAVE NO CLAIM???????????????????????????
YOU SAID: THERE IS SOMETHING SUPERNATURAL TAKING PLACE??????????????'
I SAY: ¿WHO ARE YOU?
I SAY: YOU ARE NOT A REALLY RESEARCHER, YOU DIDN`T DEMONSTRATE NOTHING, YOU ARE LIAR. YOU DON`T WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH OR YOU CAN NOT SAY THE TRUTH. YOU
ARE THINKING IN THE MONEY. FORGET ABOUT THE MONEY IF THAT IS YOUR REAL PROBLEM.

DID YOU GAVE THE PERSONAL LETTER TO MR. JAMES RANDI? I GUESS NOT.IT DOESN`T MATTER, NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY MR. RANDI FIRST SEND ME TO HELL, THEN ASKED ME
WHO I AM, THEN HE WANTS TO MAKE A DEAL WITH ME TO SHUT ME UP.

WHAT KIND OF DEAL????????????????????????????????????????????????????

THE CLOCK IS TICKING AGAIN..........................................


I THOUGHT THAT JAMES RANDI AND HIS PEOPLE WERE
RATIONALISTIC, BUT I AM BEGGINNING TO THINK DIFFERENT. I SUPPORT YOUR WORK, BUT DON`T LOOSE ENERGY
FIGHTING WITH PERSONS THAT DON`T WANT TO CHALLENGE WITH YOU, LIKE SYLVIA BROWNE. USE THAT ENERGY GIVING ME SMARTS ANSWERS.

I GIVE YOU MY EXCUSES FOR MY POOR ENGLISH, BUT I AM DOING MY BEST EFFORT.

REMEMBER, I DON`T BELIEVE IN MAGIC, I DON`T BELIEVE IN UFOS, I DON`T BELIEVE
IN "BLACK BIRD", I JUST BELIEVE IN TRUTH.

I AM NOT ALONE.....................................................

I CHALLENGE YOU TO PUT MY ANSWERS OF YOUR CONCLUSION IN YOUR WEB PAGE. I HOPE YOU HAVE THE HONESTY TO DO IT.


CARLOS SWETT
GUAYAQUIL-ECUADOR-SOUTHAMERICA-EARTH


POSTDATA: MR RANDI IF YOU DON`T UNDERSTAND MY CHALLENGE, YOU CAN CALL A REAL TRANSLATOR. I AM GIVING YOU A SECOND CHANCE. I AM NOT HURRY.IF YOU WANT I
CAN SEND YOU A COPY OF THE LETTER YOU NEVER RECEIVED.



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Now people of this forum, make your own conclutions. I am giving you the DATES of the e-mails (Patricio Elicer "forgot to did that ")
By that time I did'nt know how to write in a keyboard, and the "rules" about using capitals letters, just was easy for me did it that way. I apologize now for that mistake.
Now you can tell if Randi insulted me first and if Harter did lie to me in his answer to my application., or if he used a poor antitechnical method.
Those are facts.

Thanks,

S&S

 

[alfaniner]

Dear S&S,

Who are you, and what in hell are you raving about?

 

[Guest]

I am Carlos Swett, dear "thinker"

Dear S&S,

Who are you, and what in hell are you raving about?

Hi dear alfaniner(thinker):

I am Carlos Swett, I challenged JREF, they received my notarized application at april 4, 2002.
James Randi at april 13 , 2002 (9 days after) wrote me the same words you smartly posted here.(?)
Andrew Harter at april 15, 2002 wrote me giving the poor and stupid answer you also knows.

When a person LIES to me, specially in a case where you clearly notice that the money is not the main polnt to me, must be prepare to resist and I will not stop untll they (the amazing duo) give me private or public excuses. I fight for my honor and name.

You "thinker" , can notice too, that they are afraid , they are still on silence. They don't have the honesty to put my notarized application and their stupid answer at the week's commentary with the sign of James Randi on it.

This is not an easy trick, that "your magician" is able to solve. Is not a tricky spoon, or death talks. That's the difference, They were not prepared enough, they didn't even use a correct method to analize the tape.

Think about it, thinker.

Thank you alfaniner,
Thanks,
S&S

 

[alfaniner]

No response

 

[Charlie in Dayton]

Re: E-MAILS WITH THE DATE ON IT

The HISTORY of the E-mails between Carlos Swett and JREF with DATES on it.
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From: Carlos Swett

Date: date Month="4" Day="12" Year="2002">Friday, April 12, 2002:time Hour="20" Minute="50">08:50:55 PM

To: [email protected]

Cc: [email protected]

Subject: JAMES RANDI´S CLOCK UPDATE (9 DAYS)


I SEND YOU A CHALLENGE.

YOU RECIEVED IT ON :date Month="4" Day="4" Year="2002">APRIL 4, 2002:date>, THURSDAY´S MORNING.
I HAVE THE GUIDE OF FEDERAL EXPRESS THAT COMFIRMS THAT IS WAS RECIEVED ON THE FOUNDATION.

IF YOU THINK THAT I AM THE SAME KIND OF PEOPLE THAT YOU OFTEN TALK IN YOUR REPPORTS, YOU ARE WRONG. I DON´T BELIEVE IN UFOS OR OTHERS. I AM RATIONALISTIC AND I DEMAND AND ANSWER FROM YOU, THE AUTHORS OF THE CHALLENGE.

DON´T TELL ME THAT YOU DON´T UNDERSTAND MY CONCLUSIONS ( I REMEMBER YOU THAT IN FLORIDA THE SPANISH IS THE SECOND LANGUAGE, IT IS NOT JAPANESSE ). IT IS
MORE DIFFICULT TO ME TO WRITE YOU IN ENGLISH, BUT I DO MY BEST EFFORT, I GUESS THAT YOU CAN DO THE SAME.

I REMEMBER YOU THE WORDS THAT JAMES RANDI SAID ON A TV PROGRAM: " ES MI DEBER DEMOSTRAR QUE ACONTECIMIENTOS QUE PARECEN SER REALES, EN REALIDAD NO LO SON".

DON´T FORGET TO LOOK IN THRU THE SMOKE THE PARANORMAL ACTIVITY AND THAT WILL SHOWS YOU THE REAL "TRAYECTORIA" OF IT.

FORGET ABOUT THE MONEY.......IF THAT IS YOUR REAL PROBLEM.

CARLOS SWETT
GUAYAQUIL-ECUADOR

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>From: "James Randi" <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: "James Randi" <[email protected]>
>To: "Carlos Swett" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: JAMES RANDI´S CLOCK UPDATE (9 DAYS)
>Date: Sat, Month="4" Day="13" Year="2002">13 Apr 2002:time Hour="10" Minute="0">10:00:56< -0400
>
>Who are you, and what in hell are you raving about?
>
> James Randi


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From: "JREF" <[email protected]>
>To: "Carlos Swett" <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: JAMES RANDI´S CLOCK UPDATE (9 DAYS)
>Date: date Month="4" Day="15" Year="2002">Mon, 15 Apr 2002 Hour="15" Minute="0">15:00:44</st1:time> -0400
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>We have received your application and video tape. I've seen this tape before and pointed out what was taking place to others.
>
>You have made two assumptions, one following the other. Both are incorrect.
>
>Your first assumption is that the object comes from behind the second tower.
>This is not the case. I've gone frame by frame through a copy of this video that's available on the Internet. You can clearly see that the object is IN FRONT OF THE TOWERS when you look at it frame by frame. The object is dark and difficult to see at some points against the smoke, but it is there. A bird could certainly be the culprit.
>You have no claim. There is nothing supernatural taking place.

>Andrew Harter
>Researcher
>James Randi Educational Foundation
>201 SE 12th Street:City>Fort Lauderdale</st1:City>:State>FL
>Phone (954) 467-1112
>Fax (954) 467-1660
>www.randi.org
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From: Carlos Swett

Date: date Month="4" Day="16" Year="2002">Tuesday, April 16, 2002:time Hour="0" Minute="55">12:55:15 AM

To: [email protected]

Cc: [email protected]

Subject: RE: JAMES RANDI´S CLOCK UPDATE (12 DAYS)


I AM VERY GLAD AND HAPPY THAT YOU FINALLY ANSWERED MY APPLICATION TO THE ONE MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE. THAT MEANS THAT YOU RECIEVED AND ACCEPTED IT, WITH NO OBJECTIONS AS LANGUAGE, NOTARIZED FORMS, ETC., BUT THE CONCLUSIONS YOU MADE ARE VERY POOR AND DEFICIENT.
YOU ARE A LIAR, MR. ANDREW HARTER(JREF RESEARCHER).I HOPE YOU PUT YOUR ANSWER AND MY DEMAND OR CLAIM(THE WHOLE THIRD PAGE OF MY APLICATION THAT EXPLAIN MY DEMAND AND DEMOSTRATION OF THE PARANORMAL ACTIVITY), SO THE
PEOPLE THAT VISIT YOUR WEB PAGE CAN TELL WHO IS LYING.

YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVE SEEN THIS TAPE BEFORE AND POINTED OUT WHAT WAS TAKING PLACE TO OTHERS. ¿WHEN,TO WHO,WHERE, AND WHAT?

YOU SAID THAT I MADE 2 ASSUMPTIONS, ONE FOLLOWING THE OTHER,BOTH INCORRECT.........YOU ARE A LIAR.
I DON`T MADE ASSUMPTIONS, I TOLD YOU ABOUT A PARANORMAL ACTIVITY WITH HAT FORM, THAT IN ITS TRAVELLING AND ITS PATH ACROSS THE SMOKE ENTRY IN THE HOLE OF THE FIRST TOWER AND GET OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TOWER.

YOU SAID THAT MY FIRST ASSUMPTION IS THAT THE OBJECT COMES FROM BEHINDTHETOWER..........YOU ARE LYING AGAIN. I TOLD YOU IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF MY DEMAND THAT THE PARANORMAL ACTIVITY GIVES A WRONG FIRST IMPRESSION
THAT CAMES FROM BEHIND THE FIRST TOWER.

YOU SAID THAT YOU STUDIED FRAME BY FRAME TO A COPY OF THIS VIDEO THAT IS AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET................WRONG METHOD. I TOLD YOU THAT MY
TAPE IS A REFERENCIAL GUIDE, SO YOU MUST COMPARE WITH THE IMAGES OF TV NETWORKS IN YOUR COUNTRY. I GIVE YOU A HELP: VISIT TELEMUNDO(FLORIDA) OR THE TV NETWORK THAT YOU PREFER, SO YOU CAN SEE THE PARANORMAL ACTIVITY ON A BIG SCREEN, WITH A BEST RESOLUTION, AND THE BEST TECNOLLOGY EQUIPMENT. YOUR METHOD OF WATCHING THE IMAGE ON A LITTLE COMPUTER OF AN UNKNOWN VIDEO OF THE
INTERNET IS NOT THE APPROPIATE.

I AM GLAD THAT NOW YOU CAN SEE "THE DARK OBJECT" AT SOME POINTS AGAINST THE SMOKE, WITH SOME DIFFICULTS, BUT IT IS THERE. THOSE ARE YOUR WORDS.

YOU SAID: A BIRD COULD CERTAINLY BE THE CULPRIT.
¿WHY A BIRD, AND NOT AN INSECT?
¿WHAT KIND OF BIRD?
¿A PARANORMAL BIRD?
REMEMBER THAT I TOLD YOU ON MY DEMAND THAT IT CAN NOT BE A BIRD OR AN INSECT, BECAUSE THE IMAGE OF IT DOESN`T LAY ON TOP THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOLE OF THE FIRST TOWER AND "SEEMS" TO APPEARS FROM BEHIND THE TOWER.


YOU SAID: YOU HAVE NO CLAIM???????????????????????????
YOU SAID: THERE IS SOMETHING SUPERNATURAL TAKING PLACE??????????????'
I SAY: ¿WHO ARE YOU?
I SAY: YOU ARE NOT A REALLY RESEARCHER, YOU DIDN`T DEMONSTRATE NOTHING, YOU ARE LIAR. YOU DON`T WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH OR YOU CAN NOT SAY THE TRUTH. YOU
ARE THINKING IN THE MONEY. FORGET ABOUT THE MONEY IF THAT IS YOUR REAL PROBLEM.

DID YOU GAVE THE PERSONAL LETTER TO MR. JAMES RANDI? I GUESS NOT.IT DOESN`T MATTER, NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY MR. RANDI FIRST SEND ME TO HELL, THEN ASKED ME
WHO I AM, THEN HE WANTS TO MAKE A DEAL WITH ME TO SHUT ME UP.

WHAT KIND OF DEAL????????????????????????????????????????????????????

THE CLOCK IS TICKING AGAIN..........................................


I THOUGHT THAT JAMES RANDI AND HIS PEOPLE WERE
RATIONALISTIC, BUT I AM BEGGINNING TO THINK DIFFERENT. I SUPPORT YOUR WORK, BUT DON`T LOOSE ENERGY
FIGHTING WITH PERSONS THAT DON`T WANT TO CHALLENGE WITH YOU, LIKE SYLVIA BROWNE. USE THAT ENERGY GIVING ME SMARTS ANSWERS.

I GIVE YOU MY EXCUSES FOR MY POOR ENGLISH, BUT I AM DOING MY BEST EFFORT.

REMEMBER, I DON`T BELIEVE IN MAGIC, I DON`T BELIEVE IN UFOS, I DON`T BELIEVE
IN "BLACK BIRD", I JUST BELIEVE IN TRUTH.

I AM NOT ALONE.....................................................

I CHALLENGE YOU TO PUT MY ANSWERS OF YOUR CONCLUSION IN YOUR WEB PAGE. I HOPE YOU HAVE THE HONESTY TO DO IT.


CARLOS SWETT
GUAYAQUIL-ECUADOR-SOUTHAMERICA-EARTH


POSTDATA: MR RANDI IF YOU DON`T UNDERSTAND MY CHALLENGE, YOU CAN CALL A REAL TRANSLATOR. I AM GIVING YOU A SECOND CHANCE. I AM NOT HURRY.IF YOU WANT I
CAN SEND YOU A COPY OF THE LETTER YOU NEVER RECEIVED.



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Now people of this forum, make your own conclutions. I am giving you the DATES of the e-mails (Patricio Elicer "forgot to did that ")
By that time I did'nt know how to write in a keyboard, and the "rules" about using capitals letters, just was easy for me did it that way. I apologize now for that mistake.
Now you can tell if Randi insulted me first and if Harter did lie to me in his answer to my application., or if he used a poor antitechnical method.
Those are facts.

Thanks,

S&S

Carlos, Carlos, Carlos...done in by your own words...

Look at the dates, and look who said what when.

Andrew is the researcher who examined your tape, right? Have you even considered the possibility that Randi was not consulted on this, that Andrew in his capacity made a legitimate decision that did not require Randi's input, and that until your loud and insulting email, that Randi may not have even heard of you? Now, I know that may be a shock for someone of your ego level, but consider it...you may not have been known in any way, shape, or form here.

Randi's return email to you seems to indicate that. If he knew who you were, I seriously doubt that he'd have responded in than manner.

The email you got on the 15th was sent and signed by Andrew, not Randi. Again...Randi may very well not have even been aware of your existence. Think about it.

In your next email, you call Andrew a liar five times, in addition to other insults, and a demand for publicity, so everyone can make up their mind. It's not the job of the JREF to provide publicity, and the only mind that needs to be made up is the preliminary examiner, in this case Andrew. You might have had better luck if you'd understood and followed the Challenge rules...but if you understood them, you wouldn't have submitted the claim in the first place, because what you claim isn't applicable to the Challenge.

Carlos, your constant insults, your inflated sense of ego, your demands that your honor be satisfied, your inability to understand what's required of you, your demands for free publicity, and your demands that everyone else do your work for you, among other things, are all extremely tiring.

Before you go off into the jungle fuming and raving about how unfairly us Yanquis have treated a man of such stature and honor, please do me one small favor. Answer the question.

For the 24th time, Carlos: What evidence would have to be presented to you to convince you that your tape is NOT an image of a paranormal event?

 

[Shaun from Scotland]

If ever a thread needs locked its this one. Its like arguing with an eggplant.

 

[Charlie in Dayton]

If ever a thread needs locked its this one. Its like arguing with an eggplant.

Not so. Eggplants have a more appealing appearance, and in the end have nutritive value when sliced open, roasted properly, and eaten piece by piece.

Eggplant 1, Carlos 0. Game, set, and match to the eggplant.