The "Carlos Swett affair"

[Shaun from Scotland]

Not so. Eggplants have a more appealing appearance, and in the end have nutritive value when sliced open, roasted properly, and eaten piece by piece.

Eggplant 1, Carlos 0. Game, set, and match to the eggplant.

Don't forget that once you have battered the eggplant into submission, with say a big fork, it wont get back up again.

 

[Guest]

E-MAILS WITH THE DATE ON IT: JAMES RANDI APROOVAL

Carlos, Carlos, Carlos...done in by your own words...

Look at the dates, and look who said what when.

Andrew is the researcher who examined your tape, right? Have you even considered the possibility that Randi was not consulted on this, that Andrew in his capacity made a legitimate decision that did not require Randi's input, and that until your loud and insulting email, that Randi may not have even heard of you? Now, I know that may be a shock for someone of your ego level, but consider it...you may not have been known in any way, shape, or form here.

Randi's return email to you seems to indicate that. If he knew who you were, I seriously doubt that he'd have responded in than manner.

The email you got on the 15th was sent and signed by Andrew, not Randi. Again...Randi may very well not have even been aware of your existence. Think about it.

In your next email, you call Andrew a liar five times, in addition to other insults, and a demand for publicity, so everyone can make up their mind. It's not the job of the JREF to provide publicity, and the only mind that needs to be made up is the preliminary examiner, in this case Andrew. You might have had better luck if you'd understood and followed the Challenge rules...but if you understood them, you wouldn't have submitted the claim in the first place, because what you claim isn't applicable to the Challenge.

Carlos, your constant insults, your inflated sense of ego, your demands that your honor be satisfied, your inability to understand what's required of you, your demands for free publicity, and your demands that everyone else do your work for you, among other things, are all extremely tiring.

Before you go off into the jungle fuming and raving about how unfairly us Yanquis have treated a man of such stature and honor, please do me one small favor. Answer the question.

For the 24th time, Carlos: What evidence would have to be presented to you to convince you that your tape is NOT an image of a paranormal event?

Hi Charlie in Dayton (CID) :
You are correct , I also "thougt " that Randi didn't knew who I was or that the liar of Harter made his own stupid analisis, but perhaps YOU are forgeting this e-mail that I received the 16 of april.
That's the reason why I am posting this again with the dates on it.
Read this and interpretate it however you want:
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>From: "James Randi" <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: "James Randi" <[email protected]>
>To: "Carlos Swett"
>CC: "Andrew Harter" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: REFRESHING YOUR MEMORY
>Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:47:19 -0400
>
>Andrew made the right decision, with my approval. What you presented is
>nothing mysterious.

>Your application is closed.

> James Randi

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Charlie, Charlie, Charlie........done by your own words, JAMES RANDI gave Harter his aprooval.
The right decission was based on the most stupid method on Randi's history, analize the shot "frame by erame" on a video of the internet, and aprooving an answer full of lies about what I was claiming. IT IS A FACT

Even YOU , charlie, always are telling here that the internet video, can give you the chance to do a right anlisis and besides that , can you tell me were are the" two assumptions" I made, as Harter said?

Did James Randi Had the reason to insult me? I was only demanding an answer for that time(9 days after my application was received at the JREF)

I demand a private or public excuse from both of them : ANDREW HARTER AND JAMES RANDI. Or to put my notarized application with their poor answer at the week's commentary with their sign on it.

Thank you Charlie.

Thanks,
S&S

P.S. About your "famous " traumatic question, go ahead until number 5000, besides I am here and have receive more than 5000 visits and I do have patient.
Or just , read again, slowly and you will find the answer,or ask Rwald if I did or not answer you.
Don't forget your friend of the tv station.

 

[Charlie in Dayton]

Friends of the forum, you have my sincerest apologies for taking up space on this thread. I thought that by assuming a calm and dispassionate manner, I might get a straight answer out of Carlos now and then. Such has not been the case.

As you can plainly see in his posts here, and in the IRC log that Falk has graciously hosted,, Carlos specializes in ducking, dodging, evading, deliberately misrepresenting, and insulting, along with attempting amateur psychoanalysis and trying to impress the world with his exhortations about his honor.

I've reached my limit with this individual.
Thank you to all for indulging me (I think a lot of you are surprised that I lasted this long...to some degree, so am I). I won't be doing this here any more.

By the way, Carlos, I hope I didn't mislead you. Even though I acted calmly, rationally, dispassionately, and respectfully, I didn't and don't believe you for a second that there's anything paranormal on that tape. The only thing around here that's not normal is you.

At the same time, might I invite those who are inclined to the chat rooms on IRC? There are #JREF, and #randi.org, both on Habbernet servers. #JREF was established by Monkey Boy, and #randi.org was established by others for conversations a bit more directed. Any and all are welcome at the room of their choice, and I sincerely hope that both rooms are utilized to their fullest (I hang out in both at once, as do others, chiming in to either conversation when they have something to add...kinda like a live real-time Forum).

And, yes, I've got Carlos on 'IGNORE' in the IRC chat rooms...it's so peaceful that way...

 

[Shaun from Scotland]

Re: E-MAILS WITH THE DATE ON IT: JAMES RANDI APROOVAL

P.S. About your "famous " traumatic question, go ahead until number 5000, besides I am here and have receive more than 5000 visits and I do have patient.
Or just , read again, slowly and you will find the answer,or ask Rwald if I did or not answer you.
Don't forget your friend of the tv station.

Deary, deary me. When will you realise that your post has a lot of views, not because people agree with you, but because for a while it was reasonably entertaining to read your rambling, shambolic, paranoid and frankly, dumb as a weasals arse ramblings.

However, we have now reached the stage where this thread needs to be closed. The attention is going to your head.

NURSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[IggyK]

In the latest issue of Swift, Randi sez:

We have to handle every challenger, until or unless that person or group shows that they're totally unreasonable and/or uncooperative, and/or mentally incapable of handling the matter.

Carlos Swett has demonstrated that he is totally unreasonable AND uncooperative AND Mentally Incapable of handling any matter. Carlos' quest for publicity and or cash is fruitless. He can say that Harter's method was stupid all he likes but even on the low resolution internet video the object could be seen in front of the Tower, so the challenge was lost at that point in time.

It doesn't matter even a little bit what Mr Swett's statemnets in the application states. Yes, it could have been a bird (IMO that is exactly what it is) or an insect. There are several reasons why it cannot be what Mr Swett says it is and he has not adequately responded to any of those objections therefore he has fallen into the unreasonable category of submitter and that is why Randi and Harter are not responding to him and why they will likely not EVER respond to him.

Mr Swett has stated that it is a search for truth and defense of his honor that keep him responding on this forum but the truth has been established and he does not want to accept it. His honor has been shredded by his own lies and deceit. He should go back to his art and quit screwing around here wasting time. It is still amusing to some of us.

 

[Guest]

EL CID: THROWING THE TOWEL

Friends of the forum, you have my sincerest apologies for taking up space on this thread. I thought that by assuming a calm and dispassionate manner, I might get a straight answer out of Carlos now and then. Such has not been the case.

As you can plainly see in his posts here, and in the IRC log that Falk has graciously hosted,, Carlos specializes in ducking, dodging, evading, deliberately misrepresenting, and insulting, along with attempting amateur psychoanalysis and trying to impress the world with his exhortations about his honor.

I've reached my limit with this individual.
Thank you to all for indulging me (I think a lot of you are surprised that I lasted this long...to some degree, so am I). I won't be doing this here any more.

By the way, Carlos, I hope I didn't mislead you. Even though I acted calmly, rationally, dispassionately, and respectfully, I didn't and don't believe you for a second that there's anything paranormal on that tape. The only thing around here that's not normal is you.

At the same time, might I invite those who are inclined to the chat rooms on IRC? There are #JREF, and #randi.org, both on Habbernet servers. #JREF was established by Monkey Boy, and #randi.org was established by others for conversations a bit more directed. Any and all are welcome at the room of their choice, and I sincerely hope that both rooms are utilized to their fullest (I hang out in both at once, as do others, chiming in to either conversation when they have something to add...kinda like a live real-time Forum).

And, yes, I've got Carlos on 'IGNORE' in the IRC chat rooms...it's so peaceful that way...

Hi Charlie in Dayton:

Charlie, Charlie, Charlie,this thread has become a trauma to you.
You are blocked. I am so sorry. You can not even read, and I am not talking about understand.
Your "famous " question was already answer, the same and first day you posted here at the forum(according to what I told you at the chat).
If you don't still beleive that, I am posting here what Rwald told y before:

originally posted by Rwald 10/01/2002

"Good job, Carlos! You've told us some important things. To recap, the answer to El Cid's question is:


quote:
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See, Dragon, was easy:" the paranormal event is not seen against the wall of the first tower (north) while passing by it ....giving THE FALSE IMPRESSION THAT IT "PASSES BEHIND THE TOWER"

If you can demonstrate the opposite is the answer to your question. That's all Dragon. But use a correct method , not the one used by Harter.
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And was another one of Rwald, to you Charlie of Dayton, the same day:

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Originally posted by rwald
Actually, Carlos did answer this. If we could prove to his satisfaction using the "correct method" that the "paranormal object" is seen against the wall of the first tower while passing by, that would be enough. Right, Carlos?
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So , Charlie of Dayton, stop acting like a crying baby. Don't lost time and go find your friend that works at a tv station. Don't give up in your analisis.
Yesterday at the chat , again you were with your trauma of making the same stupid question, and even you improoved your trauma with another question " Swett, did you send the tape to the JREF with your application?"
Give me a break Charlie, another stupid question? I just told you that the answer is on the first line of the poor answer of Harter.
I will help you , read this again:
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From: "JREF"
>To: "Carlos Swett"
>Subject: RE: JAMES RANDI´S CLOCK UPDATE (9 DAYS)
>Date: date Month="4" Day="15" Year="2002">Mon, 15 Apr 2002 Hour="15" Minute="0">15:00:44 -0400
>
>We have received your application and video tape. ................

>Andrew Harter
>Researcher
>James Randi Educational Foundation
>201 SE 12th Street:City>Fort Lauderdale:State>FL
>Phone (954) 467-1112
>Fax (954) 467-1660
>www.randi.org
.................................................................................................

See , Charlie, that answer as the other one had been at this thread from the beggining.

Is not my fault that something is happening to you.

I am glad that you said that you will never be doing here any more. Take a vacation, prepare yourself and write the "amazing duo" to put this case at the "amazing meeting" or if you don't want to suffer that long, demand them to write about this, and to put my notarized application and their poor silence with their sign on it.

Go to the other channel at the chat with Sauron and Rwald(they live there), besides I am the one who debate in another subject at the official chat, and you are the traumatic one with my name.

Thank you Charlie in Dayton (Cid)

Thanks.
S&S


P.S. Look at me, I am patient enough, I have only facts to beat you and the liars.

 

[compjan]

<..>
I've reached my limit with this individual.
Thank you to all for indulging me (I think a lot of you are surprised that I lasted this long...to some degree, so am I). I won't be doing this here any more.
<..>

Thanks for your hard work Charlie. You've shown remarkable patience. Without people like you, I couldn't continue my informal education in abnormal pyschology on the Internet. (I couldn't possibly continue head-banging like you do).

Bang on!

CompJan

 

[Guest]

HURRAH

Thanks for your hard work Charlie. You've shown remarkable patience. Without people like you, I couldn't continue my informal education in abnormal pyschology on the Internet. (I couldn't possibly continue head-banging like you do).

Bang on!

CompJan

Hi, Compjan:

Congratulations.

Thanks,
S&S

 

[Charlie in Dayton]

Re: HURRAH

Hi, Compjan:

Congratulations.

Thanks,
S&S

News flash from Rooters Wide World Press:

The International Geophysical Laboratory for Observation of Really Strange Stuff recorded a low-intensity world wide shock wave early in the morning hours of Friday, October 4th. According to a spokesman for the IGLfOoRSS, the phenomenon's location could not be pinpointed, as it happened simultaneously at thousands of locations all around the globe.

A researcher for a well-known skeptical and educational foundation in the southeast United States commented that they had seen the data collected by the IGLfOoRSS, and that one of their staff members had taken the data, digitized it, and converted it to audio. According to the spokesman (who requested anonymity for both himself, his colleagues, and the foundation in question), the sound came out as a loud and resounding SPRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOIIIIIINNNNNNNNGGGGGGG, resembling, as the researcher said, "...the sound of thousands of irony meter springs snapping simultaneously from a massive overload...".

 

[Guest]

Re: Re: HURRAH

News flash from Rooters Wide World Press:

The International Geophysical Laboratory for Observation of Really Strange Stuff recorded a low-intensity world wide shock wave early in the morning hours of Friday, October 4th. According to a spokesman for the IGLfOoRSS, the phenomenon's location could not be pinpointed, as it happened simultaneously at thousands of locations all around the globe.

A researcher for a well-known skeptical and educational foundation in the southeast United States commented that they had seen the data collected by the IGLfOoRSS, and that one of their staff members had taken the data, digitized it, and converted it to audio. According to the spokesman (who requested anonymity for both himself, his colleagues, and the foundation in question), the sound came out as a loud and resounding SPRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOIIIIIINNNNNNNNGGGGGGG, resembling, as the researcher said, "...the sound of thousands of irony meter springs snapping simultaneously from a massive overload...".

Poor Charlie, you are really blocked as Swett said before. This is a different thread. Please make yourself a psicchoanalysis. Every day that pass you are getting more crazy. Write to Randi for help.

 

[Guest]

FOUND THE REASON

News flash from Rooters Wide World Press:

The International Geophysical Laboratory for Observation of Really Strange Stuff recorded a low-intensity world wide shock wave early in the morning hours of Friday, October 4th. According to a spokesman for the IGLfOoRSS, the phenomenon's location could not be pinpointed, as it happened simultaneously at thousands of locations all around the globe...".

Hi Charlie in Dayton:

I am glad that the reason of your last traumatics replies to me have a scientific answer.That low-intensity world wide schock wave must had its epicenter at your home, and must be the reason of your brain block.

Now that you have an explanation of your sickness, don't forget to find your friend of the tv station, or ask Randi when he is going to write about this thread.

Hope you are getting well,
Carlos Swett

Thanks,
S&S

 

[compjan]

Re: HURRAH

Hi, Compjan:

Congratulations.

Thanks,
S&S

Thanks. What are you congratulating me for? Did I do something special?

 

[Guest]

JUST FOR BEING HONEST

Thanks. What are you congratulating me for? Did I do something special?

Hi Compjan:

Honesty deserves congratulations, I wish I could say the same from Harter and Randi.
Your reply to CHarlie in Dayton was useful to him, he knows now why he was acting that wierd way.

Thankyou compjan

Thanks,
S&S

 

[compjan]

Re: JUST FOR BEING HONEST

Hi Compjan:

Honesty deserves congratulations, I wish I could say the same from Harter and Randi.
Your reply to CHarlie in Dayton was useful to him, he knows now why he was acting that wierd way.

Thankyou compjan

Thanks,
S&S

I'm afraid you are mistaken. The "abnormal psychology" I was referring to was yours, not Charlie’s. I was thanking Charlie for his tireless efforts to talk sense with you, and in so doing to expose your inability to rationally argue for your claims.

I first sympathized with your irritation with Harter for not rejecting you so quickly, but I couldn't understand why you were so emotionally involved in the tape. It soon became clear that you had invested a great deal of your self-worth it, to the point of obsession.

I think you should step back and examine your feelings in this issue. Ask yourself and other people how important your claim of a paranormal object is compared to other problems in the world. Ask yourself if the JREF rejection of your claim is so important that you should spend many hours arguing about it.

Good luck,

CompJan

 

[Guest]

GOOD LUCK?

I'm afraid you are mistaken. The "abnormal psychology" I was referring to was yours, not Charlie’s. I was thanking Charlie for his tireless efforts to talk sense with you, and in so doing to expose your inability to rationally argue for your claims.

I first sympathized with your irritation with Harter for not rejecting you so quickly, but I couldn't understand why you were so emotionally involved in the tape. It soon became clear that you had invested a great deal of your self-worth it, to the point of obsession.

I think you should step back and examine your feelings in this issue. Ask yourself and other people how important your claim of a paranormal object is compared to other problems in the world. Ask yourself if the JREF rejection of your claim is so important that you should spend many hours arguing about it.

Good luck,

CompJan

Hi Compjan :

Don't be afraid, I also thought you were from the "same band" of Charlie, Harter and Randi.

Yes is MY "obsesession", not yours, besides you are not the one who challenged the JREF, you are not the one who received a poor and antitechnical answer from Harter, you are not the one who are fighting for his honor and name, and I am not the one who originally posted this thread. Yes , you are a nckname , I am Swett.

Is easy for you to be in the other side , but you will need courage enough to confront and answer all this non-sense replies.

Have you analize the tape? Have you did it by a propper way ?
If the answer is not , what is your problemm?

Go with your presuntions to another thread.

Good Luck? Not for you, I don't beleive in luck, I beleive in facts.

The only fact is the big silence of Randi, I am emotionaly involved in the lies they gave me, I am not easy as I "presume " you are.

Thank you compjan

Thanks.
S&S

 

[CSSMariner]

How does one make the sound of a Bronx Cheer on this forum? Swett, shut the F - - - up, you with your tired and lame line of BS would bore a slab of concrete so much it would crack.

 

[Guest]

THAT'S ALL?

How does one make the sound of a Bronx Cheer on this forum? Swett, shut the F - - - up, you with your tired and lame line of BS would bore a slab of concrete so much it would crack.

Hi CSS Mariner:

That's all you have? Well, besides you are only a "bodyguard" of Randi (volunteer as you said before).
Tell your boss to confront me. What is he afraid of?

Thank you mariner.

Thanks,
S&S

 

[CSSMariner]

As I said, same old tired BS from you, I rest my case. All you know is "bodyguard," "bodyguard," jusy like a cracked record; skipping, skipping, skipping, skipping. We are bored with your same old tired BS, go away.

 

[compjan]

re: Good Luck?

<..>

Have you analize the tape? Have you did it by a propper way ?
If the answer is not , what is your problemm?

<..>

Thanks.
S&S

No, I have not analyzed the tape. I did not because it sounded like so many other "mysterious" tapes of UFOs, crop circles, and Virgin Mary apparitions. There are so many of them that are junk that I didn't want to waste my time.

However, that's not the main issue here.

The issue is the validity of your application. Must the JREF accept your challenge?

The answer is no.

I read the Million Dollar Challenge Application. It states clearly that it is a test of a claimant's abilities. No mention is made of paranormal events, such as UFOS, crop circles, or "paranormal" objects flying through the World Trade Center.

A few quotes from the <a href = "http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html">application</a>

"I, James Randi, through the JREF, will pay US$1,000,000 to any person who can demonstrate any psychic, supernatural or paranormal ability under satisfactory observing conditions."

This means you must demonstrate a personal ability, such as levitation, precognition, dowsing, etc.

"Only an actual performance of the stated nature and scope, within the agreed-upon limits, will be accepted." ... "In all cases, applicant will be required to perform the preliminary test [..] before an appointed representative"

This means you must be able to demonstrate the personal ability live in front of observers.

The only problem I saw was on the <a href = “http://www.randi.org/research/index.html”>Million Dollar Challenge front page</a> which may be misleading because it uses the phrase "event".

The quote is "At JREF, we offer a one-million- dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. "

However, the application is the final word, and it clearly states "paranormal ability".

Do you still think the JREF must test your claim, despite your claim not meeting their application requirements?

I fully understand how you might have misunderstood the challenge when you first applied. I know English is not your native language, and further you were passionate about proving your claim. You said that you had also sent the tape to many media organizations, and you also included Randi's challenge in your attempt to broadcast your discovery. However, it should now be clear to you that the JREF has no obligation to process your claim.

CompJan

 

[-=Vagrant=-]

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Un-frigging-believable!