The "Carlos Swett affair"

[CSSMariner]

Re: GOOD LUCK?

Have you analize the tape? Have you did it by a propper way ?
If the answer is not , what is your problemm?
S&S

One must wonder how sweetie swett would propose to "analize" a tape. Is it the same method used by sweetie swett when he analizes other things?????

Then there is "propper" and "problemm." Clearly the problem with a proper analysis of sweetie swett is his understanding the medium of communication regarding the challenge, or is that "chaaleengee?"

 

[Wyrd1]

Feeding la Puta

JREF has already responded to el estupido but he is far too wrapped up in his "honor" that he doesn't know it. He is also to estupido to realize that JREF isn't ever going to respond to him no matter how loud he gets. Randi has delt with morons and wanks often enough that S&S/Latinijral are wasting their time. It's their time to waste but none of us have to read his posts and none of have to respond to either one of them.

You may note that they do not respond to my or Iggy's posts since we have been "banned" from their world. It isn't hard to ignore them either. If we keep posting he won't go away. With any kind of loser like these two, attention is what they crave. If we stop giving them that they'll wither away.

Carlos says he wants to fight for the truth but he doesn't realize it bit him on the ass a long time ago. It's easy to see that best fight is one where there is only one fighter.

 

[Baker]

I think its long over do so I’m going to give my impute on the The "Carlos Swett affair"
Umm well come to think of it I don’t really have anything to say I just realized I am the only JREF poster not to post on this thread.
So all just let everyone get back to the debate!

 

[Guest]

Re: NO COMMENTS ABOUT SWETT, WHY???

I POSTED THIS MESSAGE AGAIN BECAUSE THE AMAZING DUO IS IN SILENCE. ONLY HIS SPEAKERS TRY TO DEFFEND THEM WITHOUT WATCHING THE IMAGE.

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Originally posted by latinijral
I took this picture from the screen when i visited a local tv station on my country Chile. I follow Swett`s instructions.
I see the paranormal object traveling inthru the smoke and get in the first tower(dissapears) and then get out(appears again) with an incredible speed.
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[Guest]

PARANORMAL EVENT?

No, I have not analyzed the tape. I did not because it sounded like so many other "mysterious" tapes of UFOs, crop circles, and Virgin Mary apparitions. There are so many of them that are junk that I didn't want to waste my time.

However, that's not the main issue here.

The issue is the validity of your application. Must the JREF accept your challenge?

The answer is no.

I read the Million Dollar Challenge Application. It states clearly that it is a test of a claimant's abilities. No mention is made of paranormal events, such as UFOS, crop circles, or "paranormal" objects flying through the World Trade Center.



CompJan

Hi Compjan:

If you have not analized the tape, don't waste your time here.

Yes, The JREF accepted my challenge, Andrew Harter gave me the poor answer based in a poor method. That ¡s clear, no a single word about that my application was not valid.

Did you read this?:

"The Foundation is committed to providing reliable information about paranormal claims. It both supports and conducts original research into such claims.
At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The prize is in the form of negotiable bonds held in a special investment account. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place."

Did you read the part about "EVIDENCE OF ANY PARANORMAL EVENT"?
Read again, I am not lying, it is there.

The proper observing conditions: a world tv transmission of a tragic EVENT, "live" in a clear morning with no clouds.You just have to analize the tv tape.

The testing procedure: Done by Harter , analized an unknown low resoluted internet video.

The protocol : "who are you and what in hell are you raving about?" by James Randi

You want something more?
There failed, that's the reason of their silence.
I have principles, I don't care if is Harter or Randi the one who are involved in this particular fraud.
Is my honor and my name between, that's all.

Thank you compjan
Thanks,
S&S

 

[Pyrrho]

So, you believe that all you have to do is to supply the videotape, and the JREF must give you the million dollars, is that it?

 

[Guest]

NEW LOGO?

So, you believe that all you have to do is to supply the videotape, and the JREF must give you the million dollars, is that it?

Pyrrho? Where are your insults?
And what do you beleive?

Harter also analized the tape OF THE EVENT, the difference is he did it with a wrong method and his answer is fool of lies with the aprooval of JAMES RANDI.

I just made the observation of the PARANORMAL EVENT.

New logo? (quit from ABC?)
UMMMM

Thankyou pyrrho
Thanks,
S&S

 

[rwald]

I still don't get it. Andrew Harter said your challange was invalid. Why can't you understand that? We've told you a huge number of times, and yet you still say "no a single word about that my application was not valid." What part of "You have no claim" do you not understand?

 

[Pyrrho]

Re: NEW LOGO?

Pyrrho? Where are your insults?
And what do you beleive?

Harter also analized the tape OF THE EVENT, the difference is he did it with a wrong method and his answer is fool of lies with the aprooval of JAMES RANDI.

I just made the observation of the PARANORMAL EVENT.

New logo? (quit from ABC?)
UMMMM

Thankyou pyrrho
Thanks,
S&S

Please answer my question with a Yes or a No.

Do you believe that all you have to do is to supply the videotape, and the JREF must give you the million dollars?

 

[Guest]

NOT ON LY THAT

Please answer my question with a Yes or a No.

Do you believe that all you have to do is to supply the videotape, and the JREF must give you the million dollars?

Not only that pyrrho, you are suppossed to make a notarized application to the JREF, with a conclution of the paranormal event on it, a selfenveloped letter, and stuff.

After I did all that , I received the poor answer of Harter.
That's why I am still fighting here.Remember Randi blocked my e-mail, after his Harter's aprooval of the lies they send to me.
He is the afraid one.

Thank you pyrrrho,

Thanks,

S&S

 

[rwald]

Well, since your notarized application broke the rules in multiple places, it doesn't count. So, by your own admission, you should not qualify for the million dollar challenge.

 

[Guest]

YOUR OWN WORDS RWALD

Well, since your notarized application broke the rules in multiple places, it doesn't count. So, by your own admission, you should not qualify for the million dollar challenge.

Hi Rwald:

Taking your vacations? but coming with the same replie.
Well, I have a reply from yourself at 08/30/2002:
Look and think what YOU said :


Originally posted by Rwald:
"I think I've found the root of the confusion. Here is a quote from the page introducing the JREF challange, http://www.randi.org/research/index.html


quote:
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At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.
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Carlos believes that he can show evidence that a paranormal event took place on 9/11. I tried telling him that one video does not constitute "proper observing conditions," but because Randi and Andrew did not specifically say this, he does not think this was the reason he was rejected. So, anyway, his misinterpretation of the rules at least has some basis."


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Is that the same Rwald? Or is a bad copy of you?
You are the one who said that. Give me break, please.


Thnkyou Rwald
Thanks,
S&S

 

[rwald]

Yes. I've also said that you must obey all the rules, not just the ones you like. I gave the example of, if there's a trial, and 10 different tapes show that the defendent is innocent, but 1 additional tape can be seen, in a certain light, to mean that the defendent is guilty, should the jury rule Guilty? No. In your case, since you're ignoring all but one of the rules, your challenge is still invalid.

And besides, that sentence isn't even part of the rules. It's just on the introduction page. It doesn't really mean anything, from a legal point of view.

 

[Guest]

NEW SIGNATURE

Thanks Rwald

 

[alfaniner]

Copy the rules and post them here (I'm sure that's within fair use, on this board!)

Denote, line by line, how you satisified each rule.

 

[compjan]

Hi Compjan:

If you have not analized the tape, don't waste your time here.

Yes, The JREF accepted my challenge, Andrew Harter gave me the poor answer based in a poor method. That ¡s clear, no a single word about that my application was not valid.
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Why do you keep saying the JREF accepted your challenge? Clearly they rejected it. If they had accepted it they would have starting negotiating the testing conditions.

S&S
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Did you read the part about "EVIDENCE OF ANY PARANORMAL EVENT"?
Read again, I am not lying, it is there.
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Compjan
Yes I read it, in fact I quoted it to you and explained that it is in the general description, not the application. It is confusing, and Randi should remove it. However, the application clearly states that you must be able to perform a paranormal ability.

S&S
The proper observing conditions: a world tv transmission of a tragic EVENT, "live" in a clear morning with no clouds.You just have to analize the tv tape.

CompJan
That doesn't even begin to be "proper observing conditions." How many bogus UFO tapes fit those same parameters? Randi is referring to testing people's claimed abilities up close and personal, with neutral observers, agreed upon conditions, etc. I remember a lovely crop circle footage from the 90's. It clearly showed circling lights carving crop circles. By your standards it would be considered "proper observing conditions". It turned out to be a hoax using computer graphics. How about the famous Nessie photo showing an apparent neck arising from the water? It was later admitted to be a hoax by the photographer. Was that "proper observing conditions?"

S&S
You want something more?
There failed, that's the reason of their silence.
I have principles, I don't care if is Harter or Randi the one who are involved in this particular fraud.
Is my honor and my name between, that's all.

Thank you compjan
Thanks,
S&S

CompJan
A final question from me, and I'll leave you alone. Have you considered that you may be wrong and that there was no paranormal event in your footage, or are you absolutely convinced? Is there any evidence that would change your mind?

CompJan

 

[Pyrrho]

Re: NOT ON LY THAT

Not only that pyrrho, you are suppossed to make a notarized application to the JREF, with a conclution of the paranormal event on it, a selfenveloped letter, and stuff.

After I did all that , I received the poor answer of Harter.
That's why I am still fighting here.Remember Randi blocked my e-mail, after his Harter's aprooval of the lies they send to me.
He is the afraid one.

Thank you pyrrrho,

Thanks,

S&S

For the sake of discussion, I will agree that you sent the notarized application, etc.

Please answer yes or no, without remarks about Randi or Harter:

Aside from the application, do you believe that the videotape is all you need to present in order to win the million dollars?

 

[Guest]

IT IS EASY IF YOU TRY

I still don't get it. Andrew Harter said your challange was invalid. Why can't you understand that? We've told you a huge number of times, and yet you still say "no a single word about that my application was not valid." What part of "You have no claim" do you not understand?

Write complete please!!!!!!!!
Harter`s oficcial answer:
"You have no claim. There is nothing supernatural taking place."

That means that the challenge is not valid as the stupids fans repeat and repeat and repeat...... it really means that Swett didn`t have a claim because Harter didn`t find nothing superantural !!!!!! and the reason is because he used a poor method!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Shaun from Scotland]

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[alfaniner]

Copy the rules and post them here
Denote, line by line, how you satisified each rule.

Just in case you missed it the first time, as you obviously have a problem with comprehension and retention.