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Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2
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shemp
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He wouldn't have died if he had stopped hitting the police with his head. 
TheGoldcountry
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Yeah, I think when you have to pick up a ragdoll body in order to keep brutalizing it, we can do away with the semantic ******** and just say he was beaten to death. They certainly weren't checking vital signs with their fists and feet.
No, they beat him to death. If you shoot somebody in the head and modern medical technology keeps him alive for three days until he succumbs, you still shot him to death. Same thing here. They beat him so badly that they inflicted lethal injuries, from which he died: They beat him to death. And that's why they're charged with 2nd degree murder.
Gulliver Foyle
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Ya think? Because this is exactly the first time that killer cops have been pulled up without massive outrage happening, and what's the distinguishing feature? All involved in this murder were black.
We'll have to wait and see what happens the next time a white cop shoots an unarmed black man in the back.
Gulliver Foyle
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He would have been let off with a slap on the wrist, guaranteed, only for the massive countrywide demonstrations over the outrage.
It shouldn't take months of protests before an obviously open and shut case is investigated.
Gulliver Foyle
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"Because no matter where you go in the US, the biggest, most well armed, most violent and most immoral criminal gang will be wearing a uniform and hiding behind a badge".
I don't see any way around this problem without tearing down the whole system of policing and rebuilding it from scratch.
erlando
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Oh you can **** right off with your semantic ********. If you shoot someone and they don't immediately die at the scene but hours or days later at the hospital you are still on the hook for killing the person by shooting them.
If the cause of death is the beating they did indeed beat him to death even if he didn't die *while* the beating was taking place.
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Without the video, there would have been no demonstrations and no prosecution, and Chauvin would still be on the street. The police story would have been the only one anybody would hear: a drug-addled ex-felon had a heart attack while resisting arrest. Same story in Memphis without the videos. What's making the difference is video evidence, not demonstrations.
Which is why that video evidence should be eliminated at all costs in the future.
I'm sure the police could try and make a "privacy" argument for any video evidence which damns them (whilst at the same time encouraging any evidence that exonerates them
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I'm not really sure why Memphis Chief of Police speaking out now is being lauded as some sort of heroine.
She knew what Scorpion Unit was, who comprised it, and surely signed off on it. If she didn't, then that would be very strange.
She knew what Scorpion Unit was, who comprised it, and surely signed off on it. If she didn't, then that would be very strange.
tyr_13
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Preston Hemphill is white and was involved in this murder, tasing Tyre at the beginning and saying, "I hope they beat his ass." He just hasn't been punished in any way yet.
Does Memphis have "joint enterprise" legislation?
If I understand correctly, Tennessee is a state where there is a "party of laws" which I believe is close. Basically meaning, to my knowledge, that if you're in any way related to a felony you can and will be charged with said crime even if the getaway driver. I'm not a lawyer but I know a lot of them and we've talked about it.
Worst case for her is she's fired. That's the way it goes, and everybody knows.
Suddenly
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The irony being that law and order types are constantly trying to get rid of community bail funds where people donate to arrange for bond for indigent people accused of crimes. So, you know, someone accused of shoplifting or something doesn't spend weeks in jail just waiting for a hearing.
The whole institution of bond is very suspect to say the least, but I guess that would be a different thread I hope nobody starts because I'm a 5K+ word post waiting to happen.
Armitage72
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Back in the day, I would sometimes briefly turn on The 700 Club to see what nonsense they were ranting about on any given day. During the trials for the Rodney King beating, one of Pat Robertson's sidekicks said with a straight face that you can kill someone with a single well-placed baton blow, so the fact that they hit him so many times showed that they weren't seriously trying to hurt him. Robertson treated this as an amazing revelation and wondered if the defense team had brought it up.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
lobosrul5
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Uhh, people have been charged, and indeed convicted, for murder when their victim died YEARS later.
Ernie M
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Memphis Police Department's Chief of Police Cerelyn J. Davis may be lauded as some sort of heroine due to swiftness of action, transparency, and consequences for the bad actors.
- the quick release of police body cam and 'pole' camera surveillance footage
- five Memphis Police officers fired after internal investigation
- quick indictment of the five former officers
- officers charged with murder, aggravated assault, aggravated kidnapping, official misconduct and official oppression
Memphis Police Department's Chief of Police Cerelyn J. Davis took swift action and helped levy consequences pertaining to the alleged brutal beating death (murder) of Tyre Nichols.
The internal investigation found the bad, five former officers had violated multiple departmental policies, including using excessive force, failing (their duty) to intervene, and failing to render aid.
Typically those actions and consequences take much, much, much longer, if they ever happen at all.
And some bad officers might not ever face public scrutiny, let alone being fired, and charged with crime(s). The situation is still evolving, and we will eventually see results of any criminal and civil action.
There are reports that Cerelyn “CJ” Davis was fired from the Atlanta police department in 2008 for her alleged involvement in a sex crimes investigation into the husband of an Atlanta police sergeant, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution.
The Atlanta Journal Constitution reported that
Maybe Cerelyn “CJ” Davis has learned from her past experiences, in a good transformative way, to become the leader– lauded as a heroine– she is today?
tyr_13
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If anyone was confused as to why one officer was apparently taking pictures during the murder, it is now being alleged that Demetrius Haley (also the one who was previously accused of violence against inmates) was sending the pictures to his ex, who worked with Tyre and Demetrius believed was sleeping with her.
Which would make it First Degree Murder, and pretty obviously so. If the allegation is true, it is both trivial to confirm from her and available to the police. Although it's also possible she's terrified of violence from the police and doesn't trust them, like reportedly all the neighborhoods who interacted with the SCORPION unit. If the local police seemed to be acting with transparency and swiftly, but it turns out they're still protecting some of the cops by lying or intentionally failing to investigate to the fullest, what will the reaction be?
And why do these 'tough on crime' units keep being implemented when they're always such failures? It is long past the time to recognize that 'tough' is almost always just 'stupid'. Cops don't need more training and resources, they need much different training and redirected resources.
Which would make it First Degree Murder, and pretty obviously so. If the allegation is true, it is both trivial to confirm from her and available to the police. Although it's also possible she's terrified of violence from the police and doesn't trust them, like reportedly all the neighborhoods who interacted with the SCORPION unit. If the local police seemed to be acting with transparency and swiftly, but it turns out they're still protecting some of the cops by lying or intentionally failing to investigate to the fullest, what will the reaction be?
And why do these 'tough on crime' units keep being implemented when they're always such failures? It is long past the time to recognize that 'tough' is almost always just 'stupid'. Cops don't need more training and resources, they need much different training and redirected resources.
lobosrul5
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Holy ****. so this was possibly a targeted attack. First degree murder, and the other 4 cops are guilty of conspiracy to kill murder. Death penalty in Tennessee.
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