Gulliver Foyle
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Without the demonstrations going national and pretty much going permanent, Chauvin was getting off scott free, even with the video. That's the difference.
Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2
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Without the demonstrations going national and pretty much going permanent, Chauvin was getting off scott free, even with the video. That's the difference.
She might be good at PR, but she was responsible for knowing what her cops were doing on the street and allowing a culture in which they thought they were untouchable. If anyone finds out that she ignored previous complaints of police abuse, she's done.
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Distracted1
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It's accuracy.
"Beat him to death" is hyperbole. Obvious hyperbole. Completely unnecessary hyperbole.
TheGoldcountry
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This is ridiculous. The fact that he didn't die instantly while they were still hitting him doesn't mean he wasn't beaten to death.
I've seen some semantic gymnastics on this board, but this is straight tens across the board.
They beat him, and he died. He was beaten to death. Stop it.
Checkmite
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They beat him. The injuries he received from the beating resulted in his death. He was beaten to death. This isn't a reasonable point of contention.
Ernie M
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I get the sense Cerelyn Davis will soon be relieved of her position as Chief of Police of the Memphis Police Department.
Cerelyn Davis believes in, and has commanded, a broken system of law enforcement.
An Associated Press video interview shows that Cerelyn Davis STILL BELIEVES IN the SCORPION unit...even after the brutal beating death of Tyre Nichols.
To paraphrase from the 1:09 minute-long video, Cerelyn Davis said she has a problem with the idea that the SCORPION unit is bad unit.
Heavy-handed, in-your-face law enforcement harms, doesn't serve community best-interests.
Davis once commanded the plainclothes "Red Dog" unit in the Atlanta Police Department. Davis has a history of being in command of a systemic, broken system, of heavy-handed law enforcement.
WHITE POLICE OFFICER APPARENTLY GOT SPECIAL TREATMENT
(I will have to update a previous post of mine, that fellow ISF members pointed out)
Reported on January 30, 2023, Memphis Police Department Preston Hemphill was a WHITE police officer. According to reports, Hemphill pulled Tyre Nichols from the car. Hemphill's identity and role is only now coming to light.
Yeah, I get the sense Cerelyn Davis will be on her way out as Police Chief.
erlando
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"iT's AccURaCy...".
**** off! Don't try to minimize what was done by semantic *******.
“Beaten until dead” is the formal way to say what Distracted1 wants us to know didn’t happen here. “Beaten to death” can mean either this or what happened here, that is, the person died shortly after and as a direct result of the beating (of hypovolemic shock, fat embolism syndrome, etc).
Hyperbole implies severe exaggeration. The only exaggeration here is the possibility to misunderstand the phrase as, they continued to beat him until the moment he died.
When in fact, what happened was that they beat him until he was fatally injured.
I will call that a split hair.
Hyperbole implies severe exaggeration. The only exaggeration here is the possibility to misunderstand the phrase as, they continued to beat him until the moment he died.
When in fact, what happened was that they beat him until he was fatally injured.
I will call that a split hair.
"Stop hitting him now, he needs to die tomorrow so they can't say we beat him to death."
If anyone at all tended to him for the entire time he lay there waiting for an ambulance I might believe they didn't actually want him to die.
And if they hadn't lied about and covered up the entire thing I would possibly believe they gave a ****.
When you kick a guy with a boot square in the face the way that officer did you are risking (or trying) to kill them.
They get no leniency in language. They beat him to death.
If anyone at all tended to him for the entire time he lay there waiting for an ambulance I might believe they didn't actually want him to die.
And if they hadn't lied about and covered up the entire thing I would possibly believe they gave a ****.
When you kick a guy with a boot square in the face the way that officer did you are risking (or trying) to kill them.
They get no leniency in language. They beat him to death.
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bruto
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Nonsense. I'm sure others have already said this, but if he died because they beat him and would not have if they had not, then they beat him to death. Consequences of fatal assault do not have to be instantaneous.
"Stop hitting him now, he needs to die tomorrow so they can't say we beat him to death."
If anyone at all tended to him for the entire time he lay there waiting for an ambulance I might believe they didn't actually want him to die.
And if they hadn't lied about and covered up the entire thing I would possibly believe they gave a ****.
When you kick a guy with a boot square in the face the way that officer did you are risking (or trying) to kill them.
They get no leniency in language. They beat him to death.
yup
Suddenly
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This whole thing has hurt to read.
I mean, there are all sorts of interesting cases turning on whether the harm inflicted is proximate enough of a cause to allow a homicide charge. This ain't it.
(Story time: My office had an appeal on a homicide case where one guy hit another in the head with a crowbar. The state pathologist found that the blunt trauma wasn't the cause of death because the guy had by coincidence just before the strike a brain hemorrhage caused by a prior condition that was aggravated by the massive amounts of cocaine the two people were sharing and the stress of the altercation leading to the crowbar.
Now that's an interesting causation issue.)
Suddenly
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I mean:
Thermal
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In other news:
California police shot to death a double amputee who attempted to flee a scene on his stumps. The cops literally followed slowly behind the man and eventually killed him. See the Twitter link for the exciting chase.
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/cops-in-us-shoot-double-amputee-as-he-fled-on-stumps/news-story/3229bdc61a2f0131431f99ef195c5600
California police shot to death a double amputee who attempted to flee a scene on his stumps. The cops literally followed slowly behind the man and eventually killed him. See the Twitter link for the exciting chase.
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/cops-in-us-shoot-double-amputee-as-he-fled-on-stumps/news-story/3229bdc61a2f0131431f99ef195c5600
He was trying to throw the knife…. Couldn’t possible have waited him out, I mean it was only 10 minutes to the end of their shift and it was bowling night….
Suddenly
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If anything if it were 10 minutes left in their shifts they'd shoot him so they could justify some overtime. A simple arrest wouldn't take as long.
Here's the buried lede from that link:
I mean, this story could really go in a weird way depending on those specifics.
Thermal
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I saw a medieval approach used by German police a while back for dealing with knife weilding suspects (medieval in the good sense this time): literal chain mail, protecting the cop from a bladed weapon.
For the US, don't they keep riot shields in the trunk of the cruisers? Seems like they could just walk up and, you know, knock the suspect over.
For the US, don't they keep riot shields in the trunk of the cruisers? Seems like they could just walk up and, you know, knock the suspect over.
Suddenly
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There is a lot of things they could do if they weren't conditioned to meet any conceivable danger with lethal force.
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