Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

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I remember reading about that case when the arrests were first made. The detail about the cupcakes was so ludicrous I would've believed it was made up, had the police not found photographic evidence for it.
 
Family of man killed in deputy-involved shooting says authorities responded to wrong house

HAZEL GREEN, Ala. (WHNT) – The Madison County Sheriff’s Office has confirmed that a sheriff’s deputy was involved in a fatal shooting early Friday morning while responding to a domestic violence call.

Authorities say officers responded to a domestic violence call with shots fired in the area in the 200 block of Dixon Road. Deputies made contact with a man at the scene who they said was armed.

The Madison County Sheriff’s Office confirmed that Ray Dean King, 50, was fatally shot during that encounter. Deputies recovered King’s weapon at the scene.

News 19 spoke with family members, who say deputies responded to the wrong house.

The family members say the incident began with a female family member, involved in a domestic dispute outside a nearby address.
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Cops go to wrong house, make noise outside, man comes out with gun to investigate, cops kill him. What else is new?
 
shemp said:
Man having heart attack at Dollar General arrested and put in county jail later died, says lawsuit

If medical personnel had arrived before the police, or even if somebody had just gotten him into a car and taken him to the nearest hospital, he might be alive today. The cops just jumped to the conclusion that he was drunk, tossed him in the drunk tank, and this cost him his life.
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Same kind of thing happened back in November
https://www.lex18.com/news/lex-18-i...after-being-taken-to-hospital-for-heat-stroke
At least this time the man lived. If you shouldn't call 911, and you shouldn't go to the hospital... where does that leave you? Urgent Care?
 
A cop tasers a male, for allegedly resisting arrest and specifically not turning over so he can be cuffed to the back, when there are police officers on him, so he cannot turn over.

https://twitter.com/thatdayin1992/status/1613857289861234689

The male has since died. There is a lot more to the incident than is seen in the video, but what we see in the video are cops whose tactics are poor, as they work against each other. This is an example of the police making it look like someone is resisting, when they are being held in such a way that they cannot comply.
 
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The US is the No. 1 violator of human rights in the entire world. They have killed +1000 people just in 2022. It's insane.
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That statistic is true, police killed over 1,000 people in 2022. Sometimes it is opinions from other countries that really hit home to me...same with this forum.

It is hard to step away and analyze this objectively when you are living in it. Well, more-so than for others obviously.
 
mgidm86 said:
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That statistic is true, police killed over 1,000 people in 2022. Sometimes it is opinions from other countries that really hit home to me...same with this forum.

It is hard to step away and analyze this objectively when you are living in it. Well, more-so than for others obviously.
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I'm not even remotely convinced by that opinion, though. The US is absolutely not the #1 Human Rights Violator. Not even close, and that number doesn't even remotely come close to actually demonstrating that it is, even if we limited human rights to that specific indicator for whatever contrived reason. It's actually rather farcical to try to use that number in the face of multiple ongoing genocides in other countries, Russia's mass war crimes, etc.

To be clear of course, that isn't being said to defend the US - there's a lot of serious problems here. It's just that big picture perspective should always be kept in mind.
 
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I'm not even remotely convinced by that opinion, though. The US is absolutely not the #1 Human Rights Violator. Not even close, and that number doesn't even remotely come close to actually demonstrating that it is, even if we limited human rights to that specific indicator for whatever contrived reason. It's actually rather farcical to try to use that number in the face of multiple ongoing genocides in other countries, Russia's mass war crimes, etc.

To be clear of course, that isn't being said to defend the US - there's a lot of serious problems here. It's just that big picture perspective should always be kept in mind.
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I don't think ongoing genocides and mass war crimes compare to police conduct in a country not in war...

The big picture perspective: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-killings-by-country

The US ranks 33rd in the world in rate of police killings just below Mexico and just above Bangladesh. There are no first world countries placed higher. The next-highest comparable first world country is Canada with a rate 3 times lower.
 
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erlando said:
I don't think ongoing genocides and mass war crimes compare to police conduct in a country not in war...

The big perspective: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-killings-by-country

The US ranks 33rd in the world in rate of police killings just below Mexico and just above Bangladesh. There are no first world countries placed higher. The next-highest comparable first world country is Canada with a rate 3 times lower.
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That's a qualification that wasn't part of the quoted opinion, though. As noted, I'm not actually defending the US here so much as going for big picture context. Had the opinion expressed been specifically about police killings in first world countries, as you pointed out, I wouldn't have objected. Worst human rights violators in the entire world is a very different thing, though.
 
The behaviour of the police from around the world.

We have threads on the behaviour of the police in the USA and the UK, so how are the police getting on in the rest of the world?

Here is a link to a video on the German police as they face up to protestors at the demolition of a village to expand an open cast coal mine...

https://twitter.com/_maxgranger/status/1614450397359538176

...and get stuck in some mud.
 
Aridas said:
That's a qualification that wasn't part of the quoted opinion, though. As noted, I'm not actually defending the US here so much as going for big picture context. Had the opinion expressed been specifically about police killings in first world countries, as you pointed out, I wouldn't have objected. Worst human rights violators in the entire world is a very different thing, though.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I just brought facts.
 
A Detective’s Affair with an Eyewitness Landed an Innocent Man in Prison


A man was exonerated after spending six years in prison for a murder he didn’t commit. A few alarming factors contributed to the false conviction, one of which included a scandalous romance between the lead homicide detective and a key witness, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Lamont Cambell, 28, was found guilty in the 2011 murder of Lenny J. Gregory III, the son of a retired St. Louis police officer. The conviction didn’t come until a second trial because the jury failed to reach an unanimous verdict the first time in 2013. When the prosecutors came back to try Cambell in 2016 - with no physical evidence nor any motive for the killing - he was sentenced to life in prison. Cambell continued to fight for his freedom, filing an appeal on ineffective counsel and violation of due process in 2019.

St. Louis Circuit Judge Timothy J. Boyer ruled in favor of Cambell’s appeal, finding his attorneys didn’t do enough and the investigators were doing far too much.

Read the flaws in Cambell’s case from St. Louis Post-Dispatch:

Last spring, experts, witnesses, Cambell and Mary Fox, who represented Cambell in his trial and now leads the state public defender’s office, gathered for a hearing on the evidence.

Experts testified that the witness identifications were likely unreliable and, at the time of the second trial, the wife of the married couple had begun an affair with the lead homicide detective in the case — a fact that was not disclosed to the defense.

Evidence of another perpetrator also was not presented at trial, court documents said: A neighbor saw multiple people fighting with Gregory on the night he died and identified a man who was a person of interest in another killing nearby. An analysis from the state crime lab matched two palm prints found at the scene to that person as well.

They messed up so bad that the prosecutors went from pursuing a “new” investigation into the case to just dropping the charges altogether. Cambell walked out of the City Justice Center within the next hour.
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‘You’re going to see acts that defy humanity,’ police chief says, as officials urge calm when Tyre Nichols arrest videos are released publicly tonight

Video of a traffic stop that led to the deadly beating of a 29-year-old Black man shows “acts that defy humanity,” the Memphis police chief told CNN on Friday, hours before the expected public release of the footage.

“You’re going to see a disregard for life, duty of care that we’re all sworn to and a level of physical interaction that is above and beyond what is required in law enforcement,” Chief Cerelyn “CJ” Davis told Don Lemon of the video in the Tyre Nichols case, noting it will be released on YouTube in four parts.

Five Memphis officers were charged Thursday in Nichols’ death following a reckless driving stop that Davis said her department has not been able to substantiate.
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I didn't realise being a policeman in the US paid so well...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-64427257

Desmond Mills and Justin Smith each posted $250,000 (£202,340) and were released Thursday evening, it says.

Emmitt Martin and Tadarrius Bean were released by 04:00 local time (10:00 GMT), Fox News details.

Bean also posted $250,000 and Martin posted $350,000 (£283,346), it says.
 
Look at this way. The fired the officers and charged them with murder BEFORE releasing the footage or any major public backlash.

It's gotta be bad.
 
Bob001 said:
Five Memphis cops charged with murder for beating a driver to death.

Five former Memphis police officers who were fired for their actions during the arrest of Tyre Nichols earlier this month were indicted on charges including murder and kidnapping, Shelby County District Attorney Steve Mulroy announced Thursday.
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/26/us/tyre-nichols-memphis-thursday/index.html
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The acts that the bad, five former Memphis police officers who inflicted a deadly beating onto Tyre Nichols, are ESPECIALLY HEINOUS.

A reckless driving stop the Police Chief Cerelyn "CJ" Davis said her department has not been able to substantiate. Paraphrased from CNN article by Travis Caldwll and Jay Croft.

Video to be released later today, Friday, Jan. 27, 2023. “You’re going to see a disregard for life, duty of care that we’re all sworn to and a level of physical interaction that is above and beyond what is required in law enforcement,” Chief Cerelyn “CJ” Davis.

“Just the disregard for humanity … That’s what really pulls at your heartstrings and makes you wonder: Why was a sense of care and concern for this individual just absent from the situation by all who went to the scene?”

The Memphis Police Association hasn't spoken in support of the former bad cruel, wicked, five Memphis police officers.

Tadarrius Bean, Demetrius Haley, Justin Smith, Emmitt Martin and Desmond Mills Jr. – have each been charged with second-degree murder, aggravated assault, two charges of aggravated kidnapping, two charges of official misconduct and one charge of official oppression, according to Shelby County District Attorney Steve Mulroy.

Two members of the city’s fire department who were part of Nichols’ “initial patient care” have also been relieved of duty, according to a department spokesperson.

(I pulled the names quote and the issue about the city's fire department personnel from the same CNN article.)

I wait to see the videos; this is likely to be disturbingly revealing as to just how badly some people will treat their fellow human beings.
  • Heinous
  • Wicked
  • Criminal
  • Morally reprehensible
 
Memphis is going to explode tonight after this bodycam video is released. I won't say it's unreasonable, either. Just hoping it's limited to mass peaceful demonstrations and protests, but not violence and destruction. It is a different take because all five police officers were black, killing a black man. Does this eliminate the race angle?

I wonder if other cities will have demonstrations as well, violent or not. The news said that several are preparing for such a situation.
 
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