Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

[Bob001]

The Border Patrol at work:

SAN ANTONIO – For 12 days in 2018, Juan David Ortiz, U.S. Border Patrol supervisory agent, picked up women on Laredo's streets, drove them to remote corners of the county and ended their lives with close-range gunshots to the head.

On Wednesday, a jury unanimously found Ortiz guilty of capital murder, ending for now one of the more chilling murder sagas in South Texas history.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...pc=U591&cvid=dc4fc9241f534ee7be19ddac0442f653

 

[mgidm86]

We have bots that can handle bomb situations.

Give the robot some AI so it can ask the officer in control of it, "Are you sure you want to shoot the unarmed 93 year old quadriplegic?"

 

[pgwenthold]

Goddamn heroes, aren't they?
https://www.thebulwark.com/the-problem-with-making-rape-survivors-prove-it/

(story: she reported a rape; they treated her like dirt and ended up charging her for making false charges. But it was dropped because they couldn't account for the semen they discovered....)

 

[shemp]

Goddamn heroes, aren't they?
https://www.thebulwark.com/the-problem-with-making-rape-survivors-prove-it/

(story: she reported a rape; they treated her like dirt and ended up charging her for making false charges. But it was dropped because they couldn't account for the semen they discovered....)

I read the whole article. It's sickening. A nation in full control of the GQP would be a hellhole for women.

 

[Checkmite]

I suppose there was a time when the phrase "[municipality]'s finest" as a description was genuinely meant, but I only ever hear it used ironically these days.

Meanwhile, this cop ran a lady's license plate so he could stalk her.

 

[crescent]

I suppose there was a time when the phrase "[municipality]'s finest" as a description was genuinely meant, but I only ever hear it used ironically these days.

Meanwhile, this cop ran a lady's license plate so he could stalk her.

A similar thing happened here in Denver a few years past. A cop met a woman (I don't remember how) and then ran her name through the background check system.

Apparently the Department tracks use of the system, so when they asked him why he ran that person....

I think he got fired, or at least a suspension. I can't find the news story just now but it got a bit of coverage at the time. It seems to be one of those areas where some police departments have good rules in place. If they can be bothered to enforce them.

 

[bruto]

A similar thing happened here in Denver a few years past. A cop met a woman (I don't remember how) and then ran her name through the background check system.

Apparently the Department tracks use of the system, so when they asked him why he ran that person....

I think he got fired, or at least a suspension. I can't find the news story just now but it got a bit of coverage at the time. It seems to be one of those areas where some police departments have good rules in place. If they can be bothered to enforce them.

Yes, bad as the initial behavior was, it sounds as if the system itself worked, which is worthy of note.

 

[Darat]

Follow-up on a story previously mentioned:

Louisiana officers charged in Black motorist’s deadly arrest

...snip...

Five Louisiana law enforcement officers were charged Thursday with state crimes ranging from negligent homicide to malfeasance in the deadly 2019 arrest of Ronald Greene, a death authorities initially blamed on a car crash before long suppressed body-camera video showed white officers beating, stunning and dragging the Black motorist as he wailed, “I’m scared!”

These are the first criminal charges of any kind to emerge from Greene’s bloody death on a roadside in rural northeast Louisiana, a case that got little attention until an Associated Press investigation exposed a cover-up and prompted scrutiny of top Louisiana State Police brass, a sweeping U.S. Justice Department review of the agency and a legislative inquiry looking at what Gov. John Bel Edwards knew and when he knew it.

...snip..

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I read the whole article. It's sickening. A nation in full control of the GQP would be a hellhole for women.

Anybody who isn't a cisgender, white, straignt and rich male who votes for the party of treason. And eventually it will turn even on them.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Yes, bad as the initial behavior was, it sounds as if the system itself worked, which is worthy of note.

But was a warning put on his file to never give him a reference?

 

[bruto]

But was a warning put on his file to never give him a reference?

True enough. The system sort of worked. The rest is conjectural until some rural deputy sheriff is found burying bodies, followed by a shocked chorus of "who knew?"

 

[shemp]

Man having heart attack at Dollar General arrested and put in county jail later died, says lawsuit

Jeremy Lee Thompson, 34, sat in his Honda Accord outside a Dollar General in south Alabama on a Sunday evening last May, clutching his chest and mouthing that he needed help. When police arrived, Thompson told them he was having a stroke, according to a federal lawsuit filed last month.

Instead of taking him to the hospital, police booked him in the Geneva County jail, dropped him in a restraint for an hour and a half and gave him Ketamine, costing him his life, the suit alleges.

“The officers brought Thompson into the jail by supporting him as Thompson’s feet dragged on the ground,” states the complaint filed in federal court in Alabama’s Middle District last month.

The suit names two City of Geneva officers, Brandon Rogers and Ethan Hendrix. Attorneys for the defendants have not yet filed an answer to the complaint. An attorney for the two officers did not respond to a request for comment.

After Thompson was finally taken to a hospital, according to the complaint, he was pronounced dead from a heart attack. An autopsy report, according to the suit, later stated the cause of death as “Toxic effects of Methamphetamine.”

If medical personnel had arrived before the police, or even if somebody had just gotten him into a car and taken him to the nearest hospital, he might be alive today. The cops just jumped to the conclusion that he was drunk, tossed him in the drunk tank, and this cost him his life.

 

[erlando]

Man having heart attack at Dollar General arrested and put in county jail later died, says lawsuit

Don't ask for police when calling 911 if you want to help someone.

 

[gnome]

Don't ask for police when calling 911 if you want to help someone.

Yeah, I tried that. Tried calling for medical for someone who was on my front sidewalk asking for help. They sent police instead.

It worked out OK so far as I know, but I wasn't happy.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Yeah, I tried that. Tried calling for medical for someone who was on my front sidewalk asking for help. They sent police instead.

It worked out OK so far as I know, but I wasn't happy.

They will send the police unless the call for an ambulance is from a nursing home or the like.

 

[trustbutverify]

A new emergency number needs to be established for mental health intervention. Of course, if it can be proved the caller knew beforehand the subject was violent/armed, and someone is killed or injured as a result, the caller can be held criminally responsible.

 

[lobosrul5]

Man having heart attack at Dollar General arrested and put in county jail later died, says lawsuit



If medical personnel had arrived before the police, or even if somebody had just gotten him into a car and taken him to the nearest hospital, he might be alive today. The cops just jumped to the conclusion that he was drunk, tossed him in the drunk tank, and this cost him his life.

Per the article: The Geneva Rescue Squad gave him Ketamine at 9:13 PM... who is the "rescue squad"? Paramedics? I'm thinking some reviews need to be done on what drugs can be forcibly pushed on people to "calm them down" and who can authorize it. Thats not the first story I've heard of first responders shoot someone up with Ketamine and then they died.

 

[lobosrul5]

A new emergency number needs to be established for mental health intervention. Of course, if it can be proved the caller knew beforehand the subject was violent/armed, and someone is killed or injured as a result, the caller can be held criminally responsible.

You'll just need to re-write a whole bunch of Good Samaritan laws and then overturn centuries of common law precedent to get there.

ETA: and I'm not sure what this has to do with mental health... he was having a physiological health crisis.

 

[trustbutverify]

You'll just need to re-write a whole bunch of Good Samaritan laws and then overturn centuries of common law precedent to get there.

I'm not sure about that. The new operator will ask if the subject if is violent/armed. The three possible answers are yes, no or I don't know. If it can be proved the caller lied to the operator, which then results in injury or death, I don't think the code has to be changed radically to hold the caller criminally liable. I wouldn't charge them for a violent crime, of course. But possibly a felony.

 

[lobosrul5]

I'm not sure about that. The new operator will ask if the subject if is violent/armed. The three possible answers are yes, no or I don't know. If it can be proved the caller lied to the operator, which then results in injury or death, I don't think the code has to be changed radically to hold the caller criminally liable. I wouldn't charge them for a violent crime, of course. But possibly a felony.

Then you could get them on perjuring themselves perhaps? But you would have to prove that the caller knew the subject was armed.