The Behavior Of US Police Officers - Part 3

[Donal]

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It costs a staggering amount of money to turn those magnets off and unstick the gun.

You can't really turn it off. its pretty much just a big load stone.

 

[Shadowdweller]

You can't really turn it off. its pretty much just a big load stone.

You really CAN shut them off, kid. MRI uses superconductive electromagnets. To keep them superconductive, the machines use expensive coolant that is dumped in the case of emergency shut-off. The figure I recall was something along the lines of a million dollars in damages, at least as of nearly 20 years ago. All because the police were idiots who couldn't read warning signs and THEN were too impatient to wait for an expert to help deal with the situation.

 

[Lithrael]

Yeah, 'oh no my rifle!' is not an emergency, and they wasted a LOT of money and damaged the magnet by not waiting for someone who knows what they're doing to quench the magnet the normal, slow way. Not to mention the risk of maybe suffocating someone with the helium.

 

[bluesjnr]

I wish you wouldn't drag out a bitchfest through multiple posts over a throw away sentence at the end of it, but here we are, each of us wishing the other would just move on. Life is crazy isn't it?

My point having been made, your wish is granted.

 

[shemp]

White man shoots Black man, is charged but not arrested.

Minneapolis shooting sparks outrage as suspect is charged but not arrested

A white Minneapolis man was charged with attempted murder Thursday after allegedly shooting his Black neighbor in the neck for touching a tree following an ongoing dispute, but the failure of police to arrest the suspect has angered city council members.

The Hennepin County Attorney’s Office filed charges against John Herbert Sawchak in connection with the Wednesday shooting of Davis Moturi.


The office said it received the case on Thursday and immediately charged Sawchak with attempted murder, first-degree assault and felony harassment and stalking, enhanced for racial bias, NBC affiliate KARE of Minneapolis reported.

At the time of the shooting, Sawchak had three active arrest warrants against him, including one for threats of violence against Moturi, court documents state.

As of Saturday afternoon, Sawchak had not been arrested by Minneapolis police. A spokesperson said they have “every intention to arrest” him.

What??? GO ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ ARREST HIM!!!

The chief said Sawchak has not been arrested because he is “mentally ill” and possesses firearms.

What the hell kind of an excuse is that??? He's mentally ill and has guns but it's OK somehow to let him be free to shoot someone else???

If the shooter was black and the victim white, you better believe his ass would be in jail right now. Or maybe the cops would have just gunned him down without hesitation.

What the hell kind of police chief is this? If I was mayor, he'd have been fired on the spot the moment he gave that lame-ass excuse for not arresting this bastard!

I guess Minneapolis Police Department is on the same level as that of some sundown town in Alabama!

 

[plague311]

He's now been arrested after a standoff and the police are finally admitting that, once again, they failed. Here's the source I'm using.

The arrest came as police admitted they had failed Moturi by failing to prevent Sawchack's ongoing harassment, following a number of complaints.

Sawchak surrendered outside his home around 1:30 a.m. ET after a five-hour standoff in which a negotiator used a loudspeaker

The victims injuries:

Moturi was hospitalized with a fractured spine, two broken ribs and a concussion.

I wonder how Minneapolis is going to continue paying all of these lawsuits?

O'Hara told the 2:30 a.m. news conference that police had surrounded Sawchak's residence for the last several days in an attempt to arrest him and exhausted all "peaceful" efforts prior to escalating use of force with a SWAT team and special tactics.

They gave this guy WAY more leeway than anyone should have gotten. They're police. Your job sometimes involves risk and he's already shot a guy, you know he has mental health issues, and he has guns. Get your ass in the house and drag him out. Terrible policing.

 

[shemp]

Seems to be a lot of terrible policing in Minneapolis in the last few years. Guess it's just SOP there.

 

[Planigale]

A 43-year-old man was fatally shot by police in Las Vegas after he called 911 for help while fighting off an intruder in his home.

Las Vegas man who called 911 for help killed by police in his home

Brandon Durham was tussling with a female intruder over a knife when an officer shot him multiple times.

www.bbc.co.uk

The police response is that what matters is the intent, as the officer hadn't intended to kill an innocent man struggling with an armed intruder, he didn't commit a crime.

Or it could be wokeism. The officer assumed that if a man and woman are struggling the woman must be the victim.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Shot once, he went down and then was shot another five times while on the ground.
Then told to stay down and put his hands up.

obviously the woman with the ski mask and knife wasn't the threat.

No gun found at the scene

David Roger, general counsel for the Las Vegas Police Protective Association, said in a statement to CNN. “While Mr. Durham’s death is tragic, Officer Bookman was doing his job and did not intend to commit a crime."

 

[Andy_Ross]

Independence Police Slaughter Mother & 2-Month Old Infant in Botched Domestic Dispute Call


Independence police recklessly killed Maria Pike and shot her 2-month-old infant Destiny Hope in the head. Community members are accusing the department of a blatant cover-up, demanding the release of body camera footage and accountability for all officers involved.

Independence Police Slaughter Mother & 2-Month Old Infant in Botched Domestic Dispute Call

Independence police recklessly kill Maria Pike and shot her 2-month-old infant Destiny Hope in the head. Community demands justice & for police to "stop the coverup"

kansascitydefender.com

 

[shemp]

But the kid could have been armed with a pacifier or a stuffed toy!

This is what happens when you train police officers to use weapons like the military does, but you don't train them to be able to properly judge when and how to use them like the military does.

 

[bluesjnr]

Independence Police Slaughter Mother & 2-Month Old Infant in Botched Domestic Dispute Call


Independence police recklessly killed Maria Pike and shot her 2-month-old infant Destiny Hope in the head. Community members are accusing the department of a blatant cover-up, demanding the release of body camera footage and accountability for all officers involved.

Independence Police Slaughter Mother & 2-Month Old Infant in Botched Domestic Dispute Call

Independence police recklessly kill Maria Pike and shot her 2-month-old infant Destiny Hope in the head. Community demands justice & for police to "stop the coverup"

kansascitydefender.com

Jeez, that's a hard read.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

But the kid could have been armed with a pacifier or a stuffed toy!

This is what happens when you train police officers to use weapons like the military does, but you don't train them to be able to properly judge when and how to use them like the military does.

Police in the US aren't being taught like the military. In the military there are clear and stringent guidelines where, when and how weapons can be used and severe penalties for breaches.

In most police forces the rule is go for your gun and damn the consequences and what training there is reinforces a reckless and dangerous attitude to gun use.

 

[Darat]

Police in the US aren't being taught like the military. In the military there are clear and stringent guidelines where, when and how weapons can be used and severe penalties for breaches.

In most police forces the rule is go for your gun and damn the consequences and what training there is reinforces a reckless and dangerous attitude to gun use.

Plus continuous training and reinforcement of the training - it seems many of these police forces send their officers on a training course and than that is that.

 

[jimbob]

Police in the US aren't being taught like the military. In the military there are clear and stringent guidelines where, when and how weapons can be used and severe penalties for breaches.

In most police forces the rule is go for your gun and damn the consequences and what training there is reinforces a reckless and dangerous attitude to gun use.

That is what Shemp was saying.

 

[stanfr]

A 43-year-old man was fatally shot by police in Las Vegas after he called 911 for help while fighting off an intruder in his home.

Las Vegas man who called 911 for help killed by police in his home

Brandon Durham was tussling with a female intruder over a knife when an officer shot him multiple times.

www.bbc.co.uk

The police response is that what matters is the intent, as the officer hadn't intended to kill an innocent man struggling with an armed intruder, he didn't commit a crime.

Or it could be wokeism. The officer assumed that if a man and woman are struggling the woman must be the victim.

I dunno about 'wokeism' but that is a real problem. I can't tell you how many times in my 5 yr stint as a public defender in MY in the 90s I represented guys who were in abusive relationships with women who were the abusers, and the women would call the cops knowing they would be perceived as the victim. Not saying that was the majority, but it was not insignificant. And so many times the man would drop charges against a female agressor cause he didn't want to go through the 'shame' of being publicly revealed as a guy beaten by a woman.

As for the Durham case, Jesus how many times do we have to see these trigger happy cops pull the trigger first and ask questions later?
The shooters defense in this case will be that he was justifiably using deadly force to protect what he viewed as an attack with deadly force on a third party. Ordinarily this would be a valid defense, but viewing the video the victim didn't even get the chance to comply with any order directed by the cop. It was an impulsive decision to shoot and I can;t see how he was following any sort of training. My guess is he'll be reprimanded or fired but not charged. Sigh...

 

[Donal]

At least they are asking questions now. Sometimes.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I dunno about 'wokeism' but that is a real problem. I can't tell you how many times in my 5 yr stint as a public defender in MY in the 90s I represented guys who were in abusive relationships with women who were the abusers, and the women would call the cops knowing they would be perceived as the victim. Not saying that was the majority, but it was not insignificant. And so many times the man would drop charges against a female agressor cause he didn't want to go through the 'shame' of being publicly revealed as a guy beaten by a woman.

As for the Durham case, Jesus how many times do we have to see these trigger happy cops pull the trigger first and ask questions later?
The shooters defense in this case will be that he was justifiably using deadly force to protect what he viewed as an attack with deadly force on a third party. Ordinarily this would be a valid defense, but viewing the video the victim didn't even get the chance to comply with any order directed by the cop. It was an impulsive decision to shoot and I can;t see how he was following any sort of training. My guess is he'll be reprimanded or fired but not charged. Sigh...

That kind of "policing" will last for as long as police forces train their cops that guns are the first option in any situation.

 

[Shadowdweller]

Independence Police Slaughter Mother & 2-Month Old Infant in Botched Domestic Dispute Call


Independence police recklessly killed Maria Pike and shot her 2-month-old infant Destiny Hope in the head. Community members are accusing the department of a blatant cover-up, demanding the release of body camera footage and accountability for all officers involved.

Independence Police Slaughter Mother & 2-Month Old Infant in Botched Domestic Dispute Call

Independence police recklessly kill Maria Pike and shot her 2-month-old infant Destiny Hope in the head. Community demands justice & for police to "stop the coverup"

kansascitydefender.com

Watched the bodycam footage. Would need to see an unedited version to be sure. But from what was released, it VERY strongly appears that:

1) There were eyewitness reports of the mother having just assaulted someone (specifically the infant's grandmother).

2) The mother had a history of mental illness and was almost entirely non-verbal throughout the encounter.

3) At the time of the shooting, the mother drew a knife and very clearly attempts to attack the police officer(s). From VERY close range; maybe about 5 feet away. While still holding the infant.

It is unbelievably horrific and tragic that the infant died. But I cannot find any fault in officer conduct here, without something damning having been edited out.

 

[Andy_Ross]

He could have not shot her
How difficult would it be to disarm someone carrying a baby?
Didn't he have a baton, razer or pepper spray?