The behaviour of US police officers

[Belz...]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/spike-police-departures-cops-vilified-racists-nypd-veteran?fbclid=IwAR2em3ycV4sNxXTL6EqxY3kqJjvX9vKjbPa603jqku6tJXpOLvHMKOqKgYU

Buh-bye!

Gee, it must suck to no longer be above the law.

 

[Reactor drone]

The cops are so obsessed with cuffing him to the back, that they even kept the cuffs there as they were doing CPR.

Large males with big shoulders are a struggle to cuff to the back, so why not cuff to the front? The male was not being threatening in any way and cuffed to the front still gives a lot of control.

Whether or not Einstein said it, "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" sums up perfectly the insanity of the police who repeatedly fail to learn about the risk of positional asphyxia.

But then how would they inflict pain on people if they can't twist their arms backwards?

 

[Craig4]

And later watched the video with colleagues laughing at hearing the shoulder pop?

Unless you are describing a different case - which sadly is not implausible, then yes.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/color...-karen-garner-woman-with-dementia-video-shows

That entire department needs a top to bottom house cleaning. What's worse than how sick those officers are watching the video is how sick their organizational culture must be. You don't watch and laugh at a video like that in a place other officers are likely to be if you don't have reason to believe they'll think it's funny too. The civilian leadership needs the chief's head on a pike, the training officer's head on a pike and the hiring official's head on a pike.

 

[Craig4]

Just looking at all these cases again. Does Biden have the power to demand the dodgy states and city departments to sort their **** out or get taken over leader wise by veto of the prez'?, or is it a federal can't mess with state elected thing?

I am guessing he could if he actually wanted to, but obviously probably wrong.

His Attorney General has wide latitude to open investigations into the criminal conduct of individual police as well as "Pattern and practice" investigations into whole police forces. These can lead to judge ordering a external oversight of a police force.

 

[Craig4]

Update:

The feds have opened a civil rights investigation into the police killing of Andrew Brown Jr in Elizabeth City, NC

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1387096706840506372

Good. That cluster **** has been dying for adult leadership for over a week.

What the hell is with the prerecorded videos from the chief and silent Black deputy? Why only mention now that the victim's car contacted an officer? If I had the world watching and only hearing that the victim didn't try to hit an officer and had video proving otherwise, would I a) produce the video that showed the deceased tried to hit the officer with his car or b) sit at my desk and punch myself in the balls over and over again? Tough one.

 

[bruto]

Good. That cluster **** has been dying for adult leadership for over a week.

What the hell is with the prerecorded videos from the chief and silent Black deputy? Why only mention now that the victim's car contacted an officer? If I had the world watching and only hearing that the victim didn't try to hit an officer and had video proving otherwise, would I a) produce the video that showed the deceased tried to hit the officer with his car or b) sit at my desk and punch myself in the balls over and over again? Tough one.

My wild guess, but if the police did not offer up the video of the contact, I'm guessing that it was not good evidence of the vehicle trying to hit a cop, but a cop running into its way. Just a guess. Will take back as needed.
e.t.a and after the mess up over the teenaged stabber, I don't think I'll rely on the Daily Beast's first report either.

 

[Checkmite]

That entire department needs a top to bottom house cleaning. What's worse than how sick those officers are watching the video is how sick their organizational culture must be. You don't watch and laugh at a video like that in a place other officers are likely to be if you don't have reason to believe they'll think it's funny too. The civilian leadership needs the chief's head on a pike, the training officer's head on a pike and the hiring official's head on a pike.

It's such an old story. And it scales - this particular incident didn't involve race for a change; but the video shows the same kind of attitudes I've seen throughout my life in white people who are casually-racist in safe, semi-private environments but pretend bewilderment in public when people suggest that racism is a thing. That is to say, I would lay money on these very same individuals (the ones laughing at the brutality in the video) having at some point complained that police are being unfairly characterized as bullies - maybe even claimed to be emotionally distressed at the lack of trust and support from the public.

 

[TheGoldcountry]

They really are stupid cops and prosecutors, aren't they.

Upon review by a court, the bogus criminal charge that the Defendants filed
against Mr. Garton was dismissed outright for lack of probable cause that Mr. Garton’s
speech constituted a criminal offense. Thereafter, one Defendant lamented: “That is not
good.” Another Defendant complained—correctly—that: “We are finished.”

No ****, Sherlock. Also, to the moron who said that just because he has the right to post it doesn't mean there are no consequences: that's EXACTLY what it means when it comes to you, Goober. You took an oath to the ******* CONSTITUTION, remember? No, of course you don't remember. You had a raging hard-on thinking about all the libruls you were going to beat up as a cop when you took it.

Goddamn garbage pails.

 

[TheGoldcountry]

It's such an old story. And it scales - this particular incident didn't involve race for a change; but the video shows the same kind of attitudes I've seen throughout my life in white people who are casually-racist in safe, semi-private environments but pretend bewilderment in public when people suggest that racism is a thing. That is to say, I would lay money on these very same individuals (the ones laughing at the brutality in the video) having at some point complained that police are being unfairly characterized as bullies - maybe even claimed to be emotionally distressed at the lack of trust and support from the public.

It's amazing, the disconnect from reality some of them have.

"When I was a kid, I always wanted to be a cop, so I could drive real fast and shoot the bad guys! I didn't expect all these rules!"

Most people grow up and realize their childish notions of adult roles need to be shaken off when they actually perform these roles, while some idiots still seem to act like 12 year-olds.

 

[Aridas]

Here's a bit of a classic abuse...

Ex-Georgia deputy boasted of charging Black people with felonies to make sure they lost their vote

Among other things, of course.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

My wild guess, but if the police did not offer up the video of the contact, I'm guessing that it was not good evidence of the vehicle trying to hit a cop, but a cop running into its way. Just a guess. Will take back as needed.
e.t.a and after the mess up over the teenaged stabber, I don't think I'll rely on the Daily Beast's first report either.

A nice rule of thumb is that the longer the cops fight to keep a bodycam video from being released, the more likely the killing looks really bad for them.

In the example of the teen girl with the knife, they released the bodycam without hesitation because they felt it showed the cop acting appropriately.

In this example, the cops are getting the courts to issue a gag order while they trickle out heavily redacted information in an attempt to manage the crisis. Seems likely to me that they know the video is bad.

 

[Belz...]

A nice rule of thumb is that the longer the cops fight to keep a bodycam video from being released, the more likely the killing looks really bad for them.

In the example of the teen girl with the knife, they released the bodycam without hesitation because they felt it showed the cop acting appropriately.

In this example, the cops are getting the courts to issue a gag order while they trickle out heavily redacted information in an attempt to manage the crisis. Seems likely to me that they know the video is bad.

Sounds to me like they shouldn't be the ones controlling their own videos.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Someone had mentioned that there needs to be laws in order to deal with the specific issue of police brutality.

Perhaps not, seems we just need a willingness to prosecute under existing laws.

Chauvin and his three accomplices have just been charged by the feds for criminal civil rights violations.

Leading up to Derek Chauvin's murder trial, Justice Department officials had spent months gathering evidence to indict the ex-Minneapolis police officer on federal police brutality charges, but they feared the publicity frenzy could disrupt the state's case.

So they came up with a contingency plan: If Chauvin were found not guilty on all counts or the case ended in a mistrial, they would arrest him at the courthouse, according to sources familiar with the planning discussions.

https://www.startribune.com/feds-plan-to-indict-chauvin-other-three-ex-officers-on-civil-rights-charges/600051374/?refresh=true

Seems that this logic could probably apply to any case of police excessive force. While violent crime is often a matter covered by state law, brutality by police is arguably always a federal issue if you look through the lens of civil rights.

I'm guessing that a federal conviction is only going to be a cherry on top though. The bulk of punishment potential comes for the violent crime law itself, which is handled at the state level.

It's noteworthy that Chauvin, in addition to murder of Floyd, is also facing a criminal civil rights indictment for an unrelated incident where he brutalized a 14 year old boy.

Prosecutors want to indict Chauvin in connection to two cases: for pinning Floyd down by his neck for more than 9 ½ minutes in May 2020, and for the violent arrest of a 14-year-old boy in 2017. In the latter case, Chauvin struck the teen on the head with his flashlight, then grabbed him by the throat and hit him again, according to court documents.

A much more common story of police abuse. Presumably, many common incidents of police brutality could be pursued by the DOJ. Seems likely that only high profile examples will get this special treatment.

Thread continues here.

Posted By: zooterkin