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TERFs crash London Pride

Rolfe I have zero intentions of having "Here's a bowl of soup that is too cold, ergo nowhere is a bowl of soup that is too hot" argument with you. Start a thread about it if you want to discuss your "Transgenders are out to get women!" hangup.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Which is why I keep trying to bring this back down to ground. You guys agree on a lot more then you disagree.

The people who want to hurt, abuse, and discriminate against transgenders are the bad guys here, not the people who are just honestly disagreeing with you about specific conceptual nuance.
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So Rolfe is the bad guy then. Got it.
 
JoeMorgue said:
*Confused* Those are... also bad. I think we're all onboard with that.

I'm sure there's a "Gotcha" coming I... just don't care.
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That would be in her expressed views most trans people because they are perverts getting off on invading womens spaces. That is why those men need to be stopped.

But of course there is nothing substantively harmful with such a position or you would be wrong in the above about no one here was against trans people in an substantive fashion.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Rolfe I have zero intentions of having "Here's a bowl of soup that is too cold, ergo nowhere is a bowl of soup that is too hot" argument with you. Start a thread about it if you want to discuss your "Transgenders are out to get women!" hangup.
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I don't get why Rolfe objects to being labeled "transphobic" when she thinks transwomen are out to "hurt, abuse and discriminate against women."

It's a bit like refusing to eat meat but getting offended at the label "vegetarian."
 
I'm well aware of Rolfe's hangup with transgenders and her paranoid delusion about their existence. She was not an active participant in the discussion when I made my statement.

I believe that Norseman and 3Point14 however, are capable of coming to an understanding. Like I said they agree on far more than they disagree and should not be each other's enemy.
 
Cleon said:
I don't get why Rolfe objects to being labeled "transphobic" when she thinks transwomen are out to "hurt, abuse and discriminate against women."

It's a bit like refusing to eat meat but getting offended at the label "vegetarian."
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Because it would be more like refusing to accept that meat exists. She rejects that trans people exist at all so how can she be afraid of them?
 
Cleon said:
I don't get why Rolfe objects to being labeled "transphobic" when she thinks transwomen are out to "hurt, abuse and discriminate against women."

It's a bit like refusing to eat meat but getting offended at the label "vegetarian."
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Oh, you don't even want to get started on the term 'cis' or 'cis-gendered' either.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Rolfe I have zero intentions of having "Here's a bowl of soup that is too cold, ergo nowhere is a bowl of soup that is too hot" argument with you. Start a thread about it if you want to discuss your "Transgenders are out to get women!" hangup.
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How about you turn that around.

Gosh I happen to know a few trans-identifying men who are nice people and never to my knowledge do anything to make women uncomfortable, so of course all trans-identifying men are like that and women are wrong for expressing their discomfort.

OK, you showed me a few examples of trans-identifying men who are aggressive bullies making threats against women, but these are isolated exceptions and shouldn't be taken as representative of all trans-identifying men.

Can you see the contradiction there? On one hand you want to generalise from a few examples, but then when you're shown counter-examples you declare that they're not representative and one shouldn't generalise.

The fact is that aggressive bullying men who want to take over and invade all women's protected spaces by declaring they're women ("there is no debate") actually exist, and irrespective of their proportion in terms of all trans-identifying men they are extremely active, high-profile and vocal. See JihadJane's link again.

Women are concerned about these people, and lesbians are particularly concerned because they see all their lesbian groups and organisations being taken over by these pushy, entitled males. They also see and feel a lot of pressure to agree that they'd be prepared to have sex with these people, whom they see as male, and resent being called bigots when they point out that men are not women.

It's the protest of these concerned women that you're characterising as "TERFs invade". It's these concerned women you're demonising as a hate group. I think you need to take a long hard look at yourself.
 
Cleon said:
I don't get why Rolfe objects to being labeled "transphobic" when she thinks transwomen are out to "hurt, abuse and discriminate against women."
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SOME people are definitely out to hurt, abuse and discriminate against women. Some of these people are men who identify as trans. You can call me all the names you like, but that remains a fact.

https://terfisaslur.com/
 
Rolfe on a trip to the Caribbean about 20 years back I got jumped by a couple of black guys, robbed and kicked in the side a few times. It was pretty unpleasant day.

By your logic I am now 100% justified in being racist.

But again you have a bowl of soup that's too hot, ergo no soup is ever too cold.
 
Rolfe said:
SOME people are definitely out to hurt, abuse and discriminate against women. Some of these people are men who identify as trans.
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Sure. But if your response is to deny transgenderism is a thing, and keep linking to sources that call them all either mislabeled butch lesbians and effeminate boys, or fetishistic perverts out to fulfill their sexual desires by harrassing women... don't be offended when people conclude you're prejudiced against trans folks.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Rolfe on a trip to the Caribbean about 20 years back I got jumped by a couple of black guys, robbed and kicked in the side a few times. It was pretty unpleasant day.

By your logic I am now 100% justified in being racist.

But again you have a bowl of soup that's too hot, ergo no soup is ever too cold.
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You might as well say, I know people who are really nice guys and would never hurt a fly, therefore nobody is ever justified in protesting against people who are aggressive, threatening and nasty.
 
Rolfe said:
You might as well say, I know people who are really nice guys and would never hurt a fly, therefore nobody is ever justified in protesting against people who are aggressive, threatening and nasty.
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Against those people and their actions, yes.
Against the entire class of people they belong to, no.
 
Rolfe said:
You might as well say, I know people who are really nice guys and would never hurt a fly, therefore nobody is ever justified in protesting against people who are aggressive, threatening and nasty.
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But that's not what you are doing. You're both demonizing and denying the existence of an entire demographic because "some of them are bad."

You're doing. You know you are doing this. Stop acting obtuse.
 
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