TERFs crash London Pride

[3point14]

Below are the insults.

So... great! You're completely and unashamedly selfish when it comes to transgender issues! Thanks for the input! We'll take it from here, okay? Those of us who do care about how society treats one another, that is.

I'm not selfish. It just has nothing to do with me.

You repeatedly have said you "don't care" about every item which has to do with how society treats transgender people.

No, who said that? I said I don't care what labels other people assign themselves. I repeated that.

I care that people are mean to other people for, as far as I can see, no reason. (i.e. bloke in a dress. Leave him alone, there's no need to be mean to this person)

You chose to add the 'how society treats them' just to have a pop at me. Don't do that.

 

[The Norseman]

Can you tell me in which way you think I should care?

No, I'm not saying that.

Can you show me how whatever label someone chooses to use has anything to do with me?

No because I never said nor implied that either.

What does this 'caring' look like?

Really?

I have to ask - Is English your first language? I mean no offense, but you seem to be able to comprehend what I'm saying.

I'm a native-English speaker and I'm highly fluent and I'm not certain why you are continuing to be rude to me.

You also seem to be believing you are able to read my mind. Why would I lie when I tell you that what you take from my writings isn't correct? Why would I do that?

Because YOU happen to be the one who is mistaken in this instance?

What exactly do you think I' saying when I say "I don't care"?

That you don't care. Which is what I've been saying. The. Whole. Time.

What do you think I should care about?

Nothing.

You still have no right to have treated me as you have.

 

[3point14]

No, because I didn't make it.

I just quoted everything I've said on the subject as well as everything I've said to you.

I wasn't talking to you, was I? I was talking to the author of the post I quoted. Why on earth did you think I was talking to you?

 

[3point14]

Really?

Let's pick this out.

You lament me for not caring - despite not understanding what I mean and not clarifying.

I ask you how you think I should care but you can't answer? How does that help?

 

[The Norseman]

This entire thing began with your response to the following list:

"Why are you in this bathroom? You're not a woman/man!"
"Why are you in girl/boy scouts? You're not a woman/man!"
"Why are you coaching girls/boys? You're not a woman/man!"
"Why are you attending this bridal shower/bachelor party? You're not a woman/man!"
"Why are you wearing a dress/suit and tie? You're not a woman/man!"

To each item you said, "I don't care."

Below are the insults.



I'm not selfish. It just has nothing to do with me.




No, who said that? I said I don't care what labels other people assign themselves. I repeated that.

I care that people are mean to other people for, as far as I can see, no reason. (i.e. bloke in a dress. Leave him alone, there's no need to be mean to this person)

You chose to add the 'how society treats them' just to have a pop at me. Don't do that.

Did you not JUST accuse me of mind reading and now you throw this at me? I did it "just to have a pop at you"? I added "how society treats them" because of the list I just reproduced above.

They are ALL about how society treats them. About which you said, "I don't care."

 

[JoeMorgue]

Deep breaths guys, come on.

Everybody involved in this discussion is on the Transgender's side when it comes to anything actually meaningful or real world.

I do why question why concepts of labeling and conceptualization are so contentious. If I don't care what bathroom they go in, who they sleep with, and how the dress, carry, and present themselves what's the difference?

Again is it so bloody goddamn important that our internal labels match up?

 

[The Norseman]

I wasn't talking to you, was I? I was talking to the author of the post I quoted. Why on earth did you think I was talking to you?

Because YOU quoted ME. I'm TheNorseman. The person whom you quoted. You apparently were wanting to berate ponderingturtle which is not me.

 

[3point14]

NM

 

[JoeMorgue]

Because YOU quoted ME. I'm TheNorseman. The person whom you quoted.

*Confused* No he didn't.

Or did he edit it?

 

[3point14]

*Confused* No he didn't.

Or did he edit it?

There was no edit. I quoted Ponderingturtle and asked him a question.


I'm giving up in the face of a lack f compression of reality.

Go back and look again, Norseman. In your rush to take me to task over imagined slights, you've failed to do basic reading.

Have a lovely day.

 

[The Norseman]

*Confused* No he didn't.

Or did he edit it?

Post # 155 I can screencap it, but he's quoting ponderingturtle and I presumed he was asking me to explain it as if I were the author.

 

[Rolfe]

Everybody involved in this discussion is on the Transgender's side when it comes to anything actually meaningful or real world.

Well, everybody who hasn't been driven away by being labelled a bigot or a terf or a transphobe for actually caring about women's rights to retain their sex-protected spaces, that is.

And still nobody has explained how this bizarre belief that men can actually turn into women has come about.

 

[The Norseman]

There was no edit. I quoted Ponderingturtle and asked him a question.

Yes, that one post. But what about the other posts where you did quote me?

Like I said, please read post #136. That was ME you were quoting and not ponderingturtle. And I've been responding to your quoting me until that post #155 which I erroneously thought you wanted my input on. Well, I said I didn't write it, so it's still open for ponderingturtle to respond.

Nevertheless, you DID quote me, multiple times and imply I said things I did not say and when I clarify what I said and regarding what was said earlier, you still chose to respond with insults and now flounce with further insults.

Now at least I know never to give you the benefit of the doubt when it comes to issues of mistakes whether or not anyone is at fault and I know now that you'll gratuitously toss insults.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Post # 155 I can screencap it, but he's quoting ponderingturtle and I presumed he was asking me to explain it as if I were the author.

*Even more confused*

But... he didn't. He was asking ponderingturtle to explain something, not you. He didn't quote or say your name.

I'm totally lost here.

 

[3point14]

*Even more confused*

But... he didn't. He was asking ponderingturtle to explain something, not you. He didn't quote or say your name.

I'm totally lost here.

You and me both.

Bugging out.

Have fun with your outrage, people. I'm sure it works wonderfully for convincing people of your cause and doesn't drive people away in droves.

 

[The Norseman]

*Even more confused*

But... he didn't. He was asking ponderingturtle to explain something, not you. He didn't quote or say your name.

I'm totally lost here.

Yes, I made a mistake on that ONE post where I accidentally answered it. I accidentally answered it by saying, "I didn't write it." So, yeah... sorry about answering the one post which was not directed at me.

This does nothing to explain the REST of our interactions and his part in them.

You know... like from post #136. Where he quotes ME and berates me for telling him what to do, telling him what to care about, acting like I'm a mind reader, and rushing to seek insult (where presumably no insult was actually there. Even though I quoted the entire thing).

 

[JoeMorgue]

Which is why I keep trying to bring this back down to ground. You guys agree on a lot more then you disagree.

The people who want to hurt, abuse, and discriminate against transgenders are the bad guys here, not the people who are just honestly disagreeing with you about specific conceptual nuance.

 

[Rolfe]

What about the people who want to hurt, abuse and discriminate against women?

 

[JoeMorgue]

What about the people who want to hurt, abuse and discriminate against women?

*Confused* Those are... also bad. I think we're all onboard with that.

I'm sure there's a "Gotcha" coming I... just don't care.

 

[The Norseman]

Which is why I keep trying to bring this back down to ground. You guys agree on a lot more then you disagree.

The people who want to hurt, abuse, and discriminate against transgenders are the bad guys here, not the people who are just honestly disagreeing with you about specific conceptual nuance.

Yes, you're probably right.