Telekinesiologist now at JREF!

[steenkh]

There is no such thing as telekinesis, psychokinesis, or any other "mind over matter" paranormal ability.

Right. What would you call James Randi who is offering a million dollars for people to performs just those tasks? An enabler?

By rubbing the believer's noses in the fact that TK etc does not exist, you will not succeed in educating them, only in making them go away, just as unconvinced as before.

 

[Fnord]

Your description sounds just like what we would expect if your ability does not work. If random movements happen to give the results you expect, you conclude you have a good day. If the do not, you conclude you have a bad day.

It's called "Selective Perception," and is related to "Selective Memory." It's where a person sees only what they want to see, disregards the rest as meaningless, and then makes fraudulent claims based on skewed data.

I wish people would stop trying to encourage TheTelekinesioligist, as he is obviously deluded about himself.

Teach him the errors of his ways, not the ways of error.

-Fnord of Dyscordia-

 

[steenkh]

I wish people would stop trying to encourage TheTelekinesioligist, as he is obviously deluded about himself.

"Encouraging" is if I are politely pointing out that he is wrong?

Teach him the errors of his ways, not the ways of error.

So where did I teach him "ways of error"?

 

[TheTelekinesiologist]

It is imperative that you find a way to distinguish between chance and TK.

I have left the paper on the pin over night, and it didn't fall off. In a matter of 5 minutes, I can make it fall off from a 4 meter distance and repeat it several times. As much as I like to believe you all, I just can't. I have used the word "coincidence" too many times. I have to accept that what I am looking at is real.

 

[CLD]

I have left the paper on the pin over night, and it didn't fall off. In a matter of 5 minutes, I can make it fall off from a 4 meter distance and repeat it several times.

Waving your arms? Air current. It just seems like you're making it fall off because the air current takes time to propagate over 4 meters distance.

As much as I like to believe you all, I just can't. I have used the word "coincidence" too many times. I have to accept that what I am looking at is real.

Suit yourself, but your conclusions are based on assumptions, faulty data, and ignorance of basic physics.

 

[DangerousBeliefs]

I have left the paper on the pin over night, and it didn't fall off. In a matter of 5 minutes, I can make it fall off from a 4 meter distance and repeat it several times. As much as I like to believe you all, I just can't. I have used the word "coincidence" too many times. I have to accept that what I am looking at is real.

Did you put it under a jar to prevent air currents?

Did you ground yourself?

Are you hopping up and down, causing vibrations?

I don't see anywhere in your writing that you're even trying to rule these perfectly normal ways to knock the paper off the pin.

 

[Jackalgirl]

I wish people would stop trying to encourage TheTelekinesioligist, as he is obviously deluded about himself.

Teach him the errors of his ways, not the ways of error.

Teaching someone how to design & conduct a properly-controlled test is a "way of error"?

Fnord, you need to understand that the surest way to get people to accept a conclusion is for them to arrive at it themselves. It's much, much more powerful than simply expecting someone to take you at your word for it, especially when you're telling them something they don't want to hear, or don't believe.

Let TKist figure it out for himself.

 

[Jackalgirl]

I have left the paper on the pin over night, and it didn't fall off. In a matter of 5 minutes, I can make it fall off from a 4 meter distance and repeat it several times. As much as I like to believe you all, I just can't. I have used the word "coincidence" too many times. I have to accept that what I am looking at is real.

Try setting up four pin/papers in close proximity to one another. Then, pick one and knock that one off -- and only that one. Can you do that?

 

[TheTelekinesiologist]

Did you put it under a jar to prevent air currents?

Did you ground yourself?

Are you hopping up and down, causing vibrations?

I don't see anywhere in your writing that you're even trying to rule these perfectly normal ways to knock the paper off the pin.

Well, a few posts ago, I stated that I didn't need to use my hands. That statement also applies to this. When I said that I left it overnight, I ment in the same room I sleep(you'd think I'd generate enough air currents just by tossing and turning). When I am in the process of knocking the paper off the pin, I am not moving in any way. I have tried the grounding strap but no difference. Don't you think by not moving, at a distance of 4m this would rule out static forces and air forces. The only force left is heat, which I don't think can be transmitted from a distance of 4m, although I do admit an increase in body heat as telekinesis is being used. It's almost like an overloading PC. When you work it to hard (converting, etc), its CPU reads 100% usage and the temperature starts to increase.

 

[TheTelekinesiologist]

Also, a glass jar would definitily restrict telekinesis by at least 50% if not more. It's already hard enough knocking it off the pin. Putting a jar would make it almost impossible at this stage. I have this theory about telekinesis:

-People don't lack the capacity to do telekinesis. Practicing it just makes them better at believing it, which would make them better at it.

I also think creativity plays a big role. If you can't imagine the paper falling off the needle, how can you do it. This was definitly the hardest stage for me. Some people with a more developed creative mind could argue and laugh at me about how it's common sense to be able to... I disagree. I did an assignment in math class a few months back that included drawing 3d objects. More than 90% of the class, including me, was not successful at drawing it(or even viewing it from the right perspective!). I guess the government forgot to add that into the curriculum from Gr. 1 -11...(sigh......). I dunno about any other generations, but generation X is definitly screwed up.

 

[Jackalgirl]

TKist --

Forget the jar. Just put up four--no, six--of your pin-and-paper setups in close proximity to one another, choose one, and knock only that one off. If there is some other factor in play, it should affect more than just the one chosen setup. In fact, number them 1-6. Roll a die and knock off the one indicated by the die. This should be good enough for a rough test.

P.S. Good on you for the grounding. That was a good idea and I'm glad you tried it.

 

[Yahzi]

<Poster describes how he can overturn all of science and philosophy, rendering the work of Einstein, Newton, and Archimedes into laughable drivel, demonstrating abilities that trump the powers of every military, intelligence, industrial and scientific institution in all of history, and earn himself all of the Nobel prizes for the next ten years>

You just dont get it. This is a hobby.

You might, in some spare moment of idle time, entertain the proposition that perhaps it is not we who do not "get it."

 

[TheTelekinesiologist]

Try setting up four pin/papers in close proximity to one another. Then, pick one and knock that one off -- and only that one. Can you do that?

Yes I have tried it. It definitly took a good amount of time though...approximatly 20 min. I have to get more efficient at this stuff. It's all in my head and I can't let it out. Believe it or not but doubt still exists within my mind that I can't erase and it is obscuring my goal. Why do you think its so hard for a noobie to start this stuff? Because the big sentence, "This is stupid, what am I doing" will enter their mind almost immediatly. I still can't get rid of it. That's why at night it works better for me. I don't have to think about it much. I just do it. The question, "can I do this" is the question that creates doubt. It should actually be, "I can do this". But it is hard to say it and believe it at the same time. It's almost like a habit. I mean, you can't erase 12 years of education in 2 months can you? No, but you wouldn't wan't to anyway right? That's why most can't move beyond the psi wheel. Your demanding that much more from yourself.

There is only one path a person can take in their lifetime:

school, career, family, retirement, death.

Society only accepts this path. Therefore, full fledged telepathy is next to impossible. When you put your child in school, you are letting the government shape your child's life by letting them put information inside their brain. They not only teach it, they repeat it and test you on it to make sure you know it. I'm not saying this because I hate school, I'm saying this because it's reality. When is the last time I had a debate in physics, chem, etc? Um...never!

You are probably thinking, "But that's the only path to be successful!!!"
and right you are. Basically what I'm trying to say is telepathy in general is a lifestyle. It might get easier for people to do it in the future , perhaps my children, just because of evolution, but for now that's just the way it is.

I have no idea how far I will get, while at the same time maintaining my daily goals.

 

[Jackalgirl]

Yes I have tried it. It definitly took a good amount of time though...approximatly 20 min.

Did it work?

In your earlier messages describing the "one paper/pin setup", it sounded like you were getting good results -- that you were definitely knocking the paper off, it wasn't air currents, etc.

With the multi pin/paper setup, were you able to actually knock the target paper off without the other papers reacting? Even if it took 20 minutes, I'd think that this would be a very encouraging result.

The next thing to try is the random target attempt. Wait 'til you're tired, since that works better. If you can knock a single, randomly-determined target over out of a group of targets, I'd say that that would be VERY encouraging (and definintely time to break out the camcorders).

 

[Miss Whiplash]

For TheTelekinesiologist:

I know I shouldn't ask this, but have you ever tried a Hieronymous machine? If so, what are your thoughts? Results?

 

[The Atheist]

There is only one path a person can take in their lifetime:

school, career, family, retirement, death.

Hey, TK. Please read this.

I know I've poked a bit of fun at you so far, but again, I'm trying to be serious here.

I honestly think that you really need more assistance than you're going to get on an internet forum. You'll certainly get some good advice, but I think you might benefit from more one-on-one than is available here.

You're a young lad with an entire lifetime of choices available (by no means limited to your short list) and I think you just need a bit of guidance.

Is there someone at school, a family friend - hell, even a preacher - you can talk to without fear of ridicule?

Give it a go, mate.

 

[Yahzi]

Also, a glass jar would definitily restrict telekinesis by at least 50% if not more. It's already hard enough knocking it off the pin. Putting a jar would make it almost impossible at this stage.

Apparently GenX wasn't paying attention in math class.

If the jar reduces your power by 50%, then reduce the size of the paper by 50%. So it requires less power to move it.

I guess the government forgot to add that into the curriculum from Gr. 1 -11...(sigh......).

School is like life: what you get out depends on what you put in.

As long as you're more interested in believing fantasies than in learning, you'll find school to be very unrewarding. Unless you specialize in theology...

 

[TheTelekinesiologist]

Did it work?

In your earlier messages describing the "one paper/pin setup", it sounded like you were getting good results -- that you were definitely knocking the paper off, it wasn't air currents, etc.

With the multi pin/paper setup, were you able to actually knock the target paper off without the other papers reacting? Even if it took 20 minutes, I'd think that this would be a very encouraging result.

The next thing to try is the random target attempt. Wait 'til you're tired, since that works better. If you can knock a single, randomly-determined target over out of a group of targets, I'd say that that would be VERY encouraging (and definintely time to break out the camcorders).

yes it did work. The only problem is it doesn't work well always. Let's say I am successful at doing it twice. Naturally my mind will think, "too good to be true" and the next two will not work. I just can't help thinking that. All this practice is a matter of flattening out all the doubt accociated with it. The only way to remove the doubt is to practice and see the result. Measuring the amount of practice and the amount of improvement is helping. This will take a bit of time getting used to. As soon as I'm confident enough, this thing will be on youtube in a heartbeat.

 

[TheTelekinesiologist]

Apparently GenX wasn't paying attention in math class.

If the jar reduces your power by 50%, then reduce the size of the paper by 50%. So it requires less power to move it.

Apparently you didn't see the post I posted about Surface Area.

decrease in surface area of object = decrease in TK (for me at least)

School is like life: what you get out depends on what you put in.

Actually I think it's more like you give a finger and it takes your arm .

 

[CLD]

Try going outside and concentrating on clouds. Use your mind to make them slowly move around. I think you will find that you will be very successful at it.