Telekinesiologist now at JREF!
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desertyeti
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"I warn you not to underestimate my powers."
The resolution of the image is not fine enough to reveal the horsehair attached to the paper and the performer's right hand (which moves very little, except when the paper is also moving).
If an alledged "telekinetic event" could be duplicated by a simple magician's trick, then a grainy video of what could also be a magician's trick is not proof of a true act of telekinesis.
I used to perform this very same trick myself "to amaze and amuse my friends" as the saying goes. I'm sure Mr. Randi could debunk this video more convincingly that I.
Therefore, what is shown in the video is not conclusive proof of telekinetic ability.
By the way, I offered to help you design a conclusive test for your abilities. You have not responded. Are you interested or not?
-Fnord of Dyscordia-
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Wimp. He only killed one dinosaur-like beast, only brought down one heavily armed and manned flying ship, and only saved one princess in a modicum of distress.
And he had a light saber.
I coulda done that.
TK: I strongly suggest you take Fnord up on his offer. I had not realized he was/is a magician. That makes it far more likely that any test you two devise in cooperation will pass muster. Assuming, of course, that you can demonstrate your abilities in said test.
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TK, why do you consider this video proof of anything? It's been said before - videos are easy to fake. Looks like it's on a string to me.
Where is the video of him performing the same trick from 10 feet away?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
If you wnat us to believe you "sola fidelis," then you may as well start your own religion and ask us to convert.
And if you can not provide proof of your claims, then do not expect us to believe.
-Fnord of Dyscordia-
TheTelekinesiologist
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Thanks for your support truthseeker. I am actually a high school student in Gr.12 and have applied for university. From what I have learnt from this forum, my abilities prove absolutly nothing. So...I have created a schedule for myself, which I will follow to help me improve my ability over the next couple of weeks. If I've been only doing this for 2 months, than 2 weeks has got to improve it a little. Mabye if I try it on a variety of objects that are larger and heavier, it might be more convincing than the old psi wheel. I'll keep everyone posted on my progress including you truthseeker. I might follow up on your offer if everything goes well.
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TK,
I wanted to give you a heads up that the video you pointed to showing the young man levitating a wad of paper was likely done using invisible thread.
Invisible thread is a common magician's prop used to demonstrate all kinds of neat TK effects. But they are just that...effects. Tricks. Not real.
You seem like a nice kid. I strongly suggest doing a lot of research and exploring whether or not TK is real.
Since it has been demonstrated that it's very easy to move a psiwheel using things as simple as heat or static electricity, you should try this as an experiment. Take a six inch length of thread and ball it up. That should weigh roughly the same (probably less) than a piece of paper from a psiwheel. Put it on the table in front of you. Try to make it move.
If you truly have TK powers, you should be able to move the thread with no problem. If you don't, then you might want to consider the possibility that the psiwheel was moving due to other factors.
ETA: Folks, I know I disclosed a magician's secret here, but given the context of the thread, I think it's more beneficial than harmful.
I wanted to give you a heads up that the video you pointed to showing the young man levitating a wad of paper was likely done using invisible thread.
Invisible thread is a common magician's prop used to demonstrate all kinds of neat TK effects. But they are just that...effects. Tricks. Not real.
You seem like a nice kid. I strongly suggest doing a lot of research and exploring whether or not TK is real.
Since it has been demonstrated that it's very easy to move a psiwheel using things as simple as heat or static electricity, you should try this as an experiment. Take a six inch length of thread and ball it up. That should weigh roughly the same (probably less) than a piece of paper from a psiwheel. Put it on the table in front of you. Try to make it move.
If you truly have TK powers, you should be able to move the thread with no problem. If you don't, then you might want to consider the possibility that the psiwheel was moving due to other factors.
ETA: Folks, I know I disclosed a magician's secret here, but given the context of the thread, I think it's more beneficial than harmful.
desertyeti
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I did the same thing when I was your age, no need to be ashamed...oh...wait...you're talking about the telekenesis thing, aren't you?
Never mind...
TheTelekinesiologist
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that's why I mentioned that because he doesn't. that is the proof. If he is using static electricity, then it wouldn't work from 10 feet away. I mentioned earlier that if you really had telekinesis, it should work for any distance. In my experiences, for some reason, the farther I am the more control I have over it.
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That's a good idea, TK, to get to the bottom of this. Note, still, that this set up is extremely sensitive to conditions that are pretty darned hard to control. Why not take the advise of another poster and try a different apparatus, such as a sensitive scale. Heck, I have a cheap digital scale that is accurate to 1/100 g. I bet your school's chemistry department has at least as good a scale. They are much less influenced by the things that will make your paper spin, and it will be much easier for you to see if in fact you have this skill or not.
TheTelekinesiologist
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but I've never been farther than 10-15 feet so I don't know what the limit is.
TheTelekinesiologist
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In my experiences, for some reason, the farther I am the more control I have over it.
We have already explained why that happens - the darn psi wheel spins even when no one is in the room with it - and even under glass. It's notoriously susceptible to static, temperature, air, convection currents, etc. And it's easy to fool yourself into thinking you "control" it.
latent aaaack
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The quickest and easiest way to move past this point, is like a previous poster said, set up a psi wheel like you've been using, paint an arrow on it, and leave the room after noting where the arrow is pointing. Set up a few of these in different rooms in your house, then go do something else for a few hours and come back to them and see if they're in the same position. If you did this today and then posted what happened then I think people would be give you more credit.
that's why I mentioned that because he doesn't. that is the proof. If he is using static electricity, then it wouldn't work from 10 feet away. I mentioned earlier that if you really had telekinesis, it should work for any distance. In my experiences, for some reason, the farther I am the more control I have over it.
What is the proof? That you said he could? Mere testimonials are irrelevant. Also, I said nothing about static electricity.
Merely saying that you or someone else can do something is insufficient proof. Doing something to support your claim in front of reliable witnesses is sufficient proof. Doing something repeatedly on many different occassions, under any conditions, in front of many witnesses, and while being recorded from many angles in high-resolution video each and every time is overwhelming proof.
Do you want me to help you design a test to prove your abilities or not? Keep in mind that if you turn down (or even ignore) my offer, you could automatically void any credibility you may have built up in this forum. I work in Research & Development. I have performed sleight-of-hand tricks for "fun and profit." I could be your best help, or your worst detractor. It's all up to you.
Here's your chance. Take it or leave it.
-Fnord of Dyscordia-
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Actually, she probably doesn't know it's a trick. Her hands are so close to the paper it's either heat or static electricity. What I've learnt is that the heat coming from your hands can actually interfere with telekinesis. 5-10 feet away should do it. The heat coming from your hands makes a clockwise current. If you asked her to change directions she won't be able to do it. Trust me. I tried it.
Standing 5-10 feet away should do it and prove it.