Telekinesiologist now at JREF!

Alright. I'm gonna try and create a video and post it on youtube with a psi wheel sometime this week or next. Tell me what rules I should follow during the filming of it (i.e angle of camera?,etc).
 
There is a period during the learning of TK where you can't distinguish between wind and your energy. As TK is developed, you will notice the difference.

As someone who has ALWAYS wanted TK, I am intrigued. I'd like to first make a few points about the Challenge: you have until April 1 of this year to apply; after that, the prerequisites get harder. Make sure you read the rules.

I think that what's even more important than the $1,000,000 is that if you could demonstrate TK under properly controlled conditions, you'll blow open wide a whole new field of physics. I mean, WIDE. You-probably-won't-be-able-to-keep-track-of-the-grant-money wide. You'll-go-down-in-history wide. This is HUGE. One million bucks is /nuthin'/ compared to this.

But you've got to design a good, rock-solid test. And I do mean solid, because you're going to come up against a lot of outright disbelief.

Many of the other forum members have already touched on some absolutely excellent means to control your test. For example, setting up your test apparatus and just observing it. I'd actually recommend two things: 1) leave the room entirely and videotape what's going on, so as to control for the possibility that you might be subconsciously turning on your TK or 2) find someone else, whom you trust, who knows nothing about your TK, and ask them to sit and observe the paper, recording what it does (video camera still recommended). Tell them you're doing some kind of air-current test or something. That way, someone's actually breathing and affecting the air currents in the room (though I'm not sure someone who wasn't obviously trying to huff and puff would make a difference from 10 feet away. I don't know your room, tho).

Putting your test target under a glass or lucite box is another excellent idea. You mentioned earlier that putting the target under a glass blocks the TK energy, at least for novices, so I'm assuming you're past this point, yes? If you are strong enough, you should definitely do it. Make sure you put something else in the box, like the styrofoam peanuts, or tape thin long strips of paper to hang down from the top of the box so that you can demonstrate that whatever's going on in the box, it's /only/ affecting the target. Again, run the test /without you & your TK/ first, then apply your ability. Later on, you might want to further demonstrate control by having someone roll a die -- for example, a 10-sider with the results of:
1-5 -- make no change to what you're doing
6-10 -- stop the spin and make the paper rotate in the opposite direction
with the expectation that the expected result will occur within x seconds of your receiving the new instruction (where x is a number determined by you based on your ability). Those die numbers, btw, would need to be run past someone who actually knows something about randomness -- I'm not mathematically inclined and just pulled those numbers out of my kiester.

Anyway, see where I'm going with this?

As for the negative posts on this thread, don't worry about it. It's training for what you'll encounter when you publish a paper that puts science on its ear. If you need any help or suggestions for test protocols, definitely post here and I'll do my best to help (and, as you've seen, there are others who are genuinely interested in helping you design a good test). I am /totally/ rooting for you!
 
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Wait a sec...

You're claiming to be able to rotate a piece of paper on the head of a pin?

And that's it? Not lift it up and float it around the room or something?

That's not TK... that's a lot of wishful thinking. Like someone said... put it in an aquarium and suddenly your powers disappear.

Gasp at amazing powers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdBE3t2S95I&NR
 
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Alright. I'm gonna try and create a video and post it on youtube with a psi wheel sometime this week or next. Tell me what rules I should follow during the filming of it (i.e angle of camera?,etc).

I'd suggest a camera action that shows both you and the target. Does the power only work if you have Line of Sight (LoS)? You might want to try filming the target, with you sitting there, with one of those night-masks on -- something that completely blocks your ability to see -- assuming that you have to have LoS. Do this for about five minutes. Then take off your blinders & apply your powers. That'd be a good start.

But I have another question: does your school -- say, your psychology or criminal justice departments -- have any of those rooms with a one-way glass window in it looking into another room? If you could affect a paper target on the other side of the glass (assuming you're strong enough, at this point, to affect the target through the glass), I think that'd be pretty strong evidence. You'd have to film the target by itself, no application of TK, first, though, to demonstrate that there aren't any extant air currents in the target room that are causing the paper to move.

ETA: Dude! I am totally stoked about this test! : )
 
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Alright. I'm gonna try and create a video and post it on youtube with a psi wheel sometime this week or next. Tell me what rules I should follow during the filming of it (i.e angle of camera?,etc).

Why are these always about precariously balanced things that will move spontaneously with air currents, heat convection, or other impetus? No video of a teeny little scrap of paper balanced on a pin is going to convince me. Here's what I suggest. Take that little piece of paper and fold it in half. Sit it on top of an inverted jar or glass, like it was an open book standing on end. Place an aquarium upside down over that. Make the piece of paper fall off the glass. We're dealing with the same mass of matter, we're just not using a method which has been demonstrated, over and over again, to be unreliable.

I live north of Toronto. I have a camcorder, and a digital camera. I would be happy to assist in any demonstration. However, those little floating pinwheels of paper balanced on a pin are just not going to do it for me, or I suspect, for anyone else here. Heck, I'll even supply the paper, glass and aquarium if you want. Place and time of your choosing (subject to that fitting in with my schedule, of course).
 
TK - Here is the link for the challenge. It is "open" (that is, anybody can apply) until April 1. Then, the application process becomes a little more strict.

And welcome to the forum!!
 
The paper just rests on the pin. You can put the pin through an eraser or some clay to hold it up. If you wan't to try this, don't put your hands close to the paper. The body heat coming from your hands can sometimes interfere or make you apear to be doing telekinesis. I sugest, having your hands a few feet away from it and ensure that there are no gusts of wind coming from anywhere including you.

If you are a beginner, do not put a cup over it to block wind. This will, for some reason interfere with all telekinesis results by 80% or more. As you get better your energy will be able to penetrate the cup.

Ok, I did it. Here's what I found:

1) The paper is so well balanced that ANY air movement causes it to turn quite easily. (Think off camera with a straw)

2) When I first put the paper down, I was able to spin it in either direction for a turn or two. Then I grounded myself and tried again. Nope... my magic was gone. Then I walked around carpet in socks and built up another charge... and my magic was back! In fact, I was quite good... I could spin that sucker any way I wanted... through glass even. Grounding again... and it was gone again.

3) I could breath right and get it to spin... in either direction.

I suggest grounding yourself as you do it (with a grounding strap would be best) and wear a mask or bandana over your face. I think much of your powers will be gone.
 
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TK, you came to one of the worst places in the world if you expect people to take your word that you have this power. The only way to convince me is to submit to a proper test. If you won't or can't do that, my default position is that you're lying or delusional. Do you think my position is reasonable?
 
Thank's for making this thread athiest.

Sorry for the wait guys.
I'v been studying for exams.....lol(fly's exam paper across the room)

No problem & thanks for coming back to answer questions. We're all pretty keen and I see there's been a million posts since you came back on. I'll come back and read it all later, but just wanted to pass on thanks first.

Cheers - well played.
 
Why are these always about precariously balanced things that will move spontaneously with air currents, heat convection, or other impetus? No video of a teeny little scrap of paper balanced on a pin is going to convince me.
Exactly. TK, it should go without saying that if you're claiming an extraordinary power, you can't prove it by accomplishing something that anyone can do.
 
THIS IS TO ALL PEOPLE:

Anyone who thinks I'm a fraud will get their proof sooner or later. Even if I have to learn how to use youtube I'll give you PROOF. I don't own a camcorder or anything of that sort so I'll have to borrow one from a friend. As far as the $1 millon million challenge goes, there are things way more important. Your asking me if I wan't want a million dollars when University's universities are sending applications offers to me? Srry Sorry, but I don't want to be on tv and be some freak teen! Bad things happen to people that can do stuff. That's right. Instead of alien autopsy it'll be teen autopsy!

Hope you spellcheck your college applications better than your posts here.
 
Well, TK. I'm glad you dropped by. Until this thread, I wasn't aware of the various fake TK/psi demos (the pin wheel being the most common) and how they can be done without any psi at all.

Psi Wheels Without Psi

Now I understand why "100% belief" is a requirement for success at TK. If you are 100% convinced you can do TK, you won't try very hard to find mundane explanations for what you feel is happening.
 
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I also like to think of ways I could be fooled. For example in the youtube video, placing something that could be magnetized inside the folded paper, and then rotating it with a large magnet hidden under the table.

Some inks are magnetic, it would be fun to try it and see if it that worked. Just a little bit of iron filings dusted on the paper might be enough.

Or more complicated but easily done with a PC, video mixing a spinning piece of paper onto a still image of a room. The high quality and cheap cost of modern editing software has only made me more skeptical about photos and videos.

It would be awesome if some of the telekinesis people could pass a simple pressure sensitive transducer in an isolation chamber. Simple, controlled, straightforward. There are plenty of scientific devices made to measure the effects of forces much smaller that it takes to turn paper. A person with true telekinesis should be able to make meters dance.

There are natural effects caused by magnetism, static, ions, chemicals, temperature and the like. And of course, the possibly that telekinesis exists and some kind of mind power is moving the paper.
 
You would be 100% right if I was actually doing that.
Naturally I didn't get the details right - how could I when I don't know exactly what you are doing. But what I do know is that you are not doing double blinded trials that require no judging. There's a reason science requires those kinds of tests - because otherwise we all fool ourselves. The most conscientious, and brilliant scientist you could ever meet will still fool herself. Everyone does. I'm not slagging you at all.

In other words, just because you try to purposefully manipulate the paper by (for example) blowing on it, shaking the table, or whatever, and can't duplicate the effect doesn't mean the only other method is psi. It just means that you can't consciously figure it out. But, our bodies are great at working unconsciously. For example, did you see the post after yours pointing out how easy it is to make the thing spin when you have a static charge built up?

Now, before you reply "I know I don't have a static charge because..." stop. Again, the point is not that I am offering the specific and exact mistake you are making, because I don't know what mistake you are making (or if you are). But, until you have eliminated all sources of non-psi manipulation, you don't know you have psi. It's clear that you haven't done this, so my objection stands, even if the specific example I chose doesn't apply to you.

A piece of paper balanced on a pinhead is one of the lowest friction devices you can readily make, and it is also extremely sensitive to tiny forces, such as heat, air currents, static electricity, magnetism, etc. You've shown this yourself, by vastly reducing the effect when you covered it with a glass (or whatever you did).

But, it's a little hard to take you too seriously, as I don't know anyone who wouldn't go to great lengths to get a million dollars for a simple 15 minute demonstration. So, I'll stop here.
 
After reading this thread, and the thread that spawned it, I have come to believe to a reasonable degree of certainty that TheTelekinesiologist is playing some kind of game where he is goading us into responding to what would be the ramblings of a deranged mind if they were not fiction written to elicit a response. Perhaps this is a class project, perhaps he just thinks he is funny, but I don't think that he actually thinks that he can move objects.
 
Claiming that you will not take the MDC because you only want to use your ability for educational purposes is a bit stupid when you consider what the 'E' stands for in JREF.
 
There is a period during the learning of TK where you can't distinguish between wind and your energy. As TK is developed, you will notice the difference.

Drat, I wish I'd seen this TK FAQ before, it really says all there is to be said about your claims.

Again, TK, thank you, your posts prompted me to do a little research. I now understand why many people like yourself are deluding themselves into thinking they have TK powers. In a way, your goal of "education" has been realized. Keep up the good work.
 
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Well done, guys. I have a busy day and all the questions have been asked and answered in the meantime. The old "paper-moving" technique!

I remember seeing this debunked 30+ years ago, when some clown was moving a piece of paper inside an upturned fish-tank. Very much like CLD's glass one. These things are so sensitive to air movement that even a slight breath under a tiny gap creates movement.

Nice try, TK, but no cigar here.

Man, you paranormal types REALLY need to lift your game. TK, buzzlightyear, dargo, sheesh. Piss weak.

Thanks for playing, TK, you may now return to Kleenex and #########.com.

Cheers.
 
Many long years ago, when I was a gullible lad of ten years of age, I got into telekinesis. One of the older kids in the neighborhood had bought a bunch of books on psi and got some of us interested.

I built some of the psionic wheels, and tried to see if I could make them work.

Being a thorough sort of kid, I decided to set the bleeping gadgets up and wait for them to stop moving before trying to make them run on psi power.

After a couple of hours fiddling and waiting, I came to the obvious conclusion: The silly things respond to just about ANY kind of current in the air and will NEVER be still. Even the convection current caused by a strong light shining on the surface under the gadget will make it turn.

Psionics: Open and shut case.
 

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