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Target: Europe

I don't want to drag this thread over to the subject of Lockerbie, but I was reading about the warning(s) that were received before that incident, and it struck me that perhaps the authorities are becoming much more inclined to go public about potential threats.

In early December 1988 there was a specific warning declaring that a Pan Am flight from Frankfurt to New York would be bombed within the next two weeks. This was not widely circulated. On 21st December, PA103 (which began in Frankfurt with a feeder flight) fell out of the sky.

Caustic Logic blogged on this last week.

On 9 December the warning was also distributed to embassies worldwide, the only one of which to respond was Moscow. The mission in the USSR put out an advisory on 13 December, over a week into the two week period of possible danger. It was widely seen and remembered in that community. One of the chiefs there told the PCAST panel in 1990 that 80 per cent of the Pan Am reservations by embassy staff for the holiday season were cancelled after the so-called Helsinki warning. [dB] He explained:
“It named a carrier. It named a route. And it covered a time period when many Americans in Moscow would be going home for Christmas. Here, it seems to me, we have a moral obligation to let people know." [Coleman and Goddard, chapter 9]​
In contrast, the head of aviation security at the UK Department of Transport told victims' families in June 1989 the since the warning had been a hoax, its posting around Moscow had been a "mistake," rather than a moral obligation. Family member Martin Cadman is said to have replied
“[A]re you really telling us that there may be some Americans alive today because someone in the embassy in Moscow made a mistake in issuing a warning? Are you saying that 259 passengers [including his son William] are dead because the British Government did not make the same mistake?"​
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The current warnings seem very out of character compared to the procedures of 20 years ago. Have the authorities become more open? Or is it just that they don't mind issuing general warnings to "be vigilant", but actually cancelling actual planes is a different matter?

Rolfe.
 
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I saw it in the news. Like the vast majority of my compatriots I say: "so what?" We know there are terrorists. The likelyhood to become a victim is almost nil. I (We) trust our crime fighting agencies to do their best. It is more a laughing matter than a scary issue. **** the terrorists! I am living here 24/7. Do I care about this threat? No way!
The threat might or might not be real. We are like the British. Stiff upper lip...
 
DC said:
how many have been convicted?
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Why would they even need to be charged?

Combatants captured in an armed conflict can be held until either hostilities end or they are released at the pleasure of their captors. They don't have to be charged with anything, in fact under the GC you can't charge them merely for being an enemy combatant.

But you know all this, it's been discussed to death.

eta: the above applies only for those individuals, groups, or governments involved in the 9/11 attacks per the AUMF. All others are subject to civilian criminal proceedings.
 
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WildCat said:
Why would they even need to be charged?

Combatants captured in an armed conflict can be held until either hostilities end or they are released at the pleasure of their captors. They don't have to be charged with anything, in fact under the GC you can't charge them merely for being an enemy combatant.

But you know all this, it's been discussed to death.
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Suspected Terrorists inside the USA or Germany in this case, would be captured as Enemy Combatants?
 
DC said:
Suspected Terrorists inside the USA or Germany in this case, would be captured as Enemy Combatants?
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5 German terrorists were killed in Pakistan by a drone a few days ago... in fact it's a German captured in Afghanistan in July who is the source for this terror alert.

If Germany captures a terrorist on their soil they'll take care of it as they wish. If the US captures them on US soil they'll do likewise.
 
being killed by a drone attack is not a conviction afaik.
 
DC said:
being killed by a drone attack is not a conviction afaik.
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So you think it's OK to just kill them on sight, but if you capture them you must put them on trial?
 
Aepervius said:
I dunno about false flag or true flag or rainbow flags, but I do know about "the boy who cried wolf".

I have stopped taking seriously any warning coming from the US (and their 52th state the UK) about "terrorist" (especially if it mention al quaeda which is more organized and wide spread than S.P.E.C.T.R.E) quite a long time ago.
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Are you contending that the US has been deliberately lying about terrorist threats? Because if not the "Boy Who Cried Wolf" analogy doesn't really fly since the Boy was deliberately falsely crying "wolf."

Also, would you think people might be held accountable should the US issue a terror alert, everyone ignores it, then it happens and lots of people die?
 
Interesting...

Perhaps USA government wish to extend the political powers over Europe...

So, some USA intelligence departments came with this amazing idea of release warnings without any evidence at all.

Even Japan issued an warning, as well Australia.

After all, German told that USA was overreacting.

But USA really wish extend Big Brother powers over Europe:

New US Demands for Information Angers European Parliament
10/04/2010

Members of the European Parliament have responded critically to new demands for data by Washington for people traveling to the United States.

US officials are demanding access to additional European police databases in their hunt for potential terrorists traveling to the US. The demands include DNA samples, fingerprints, access to criminal registers and other information. The request is being opposed by members of the European Parliament.

Under massive pressure from the United States government, European Union member states are moving to provide American security officials with access to data in European police databases. Last week, Austria gave in to pressure from Washington to provide access to data including DNA samples, criminal registries and fingerprints.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,721131,00.html
 
DC said:
Thats up to the Pakistani and or German authorities.
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I'm asking what your opinion is.

Germany doesn't seem to think so. Nor are they protesting the holding of the German captured in Afghanistan and held since July, without charges!
 
WildCat said:
I'm asking what your opinion is.

Germany doesn't seem to think so. Nor are they protesting the holding of the German captured in Afghanistan and held since July, without charges!
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you know, actually i was talking about the police arresting terror suspects in the US or in Germany etc. I was not talking about a freaking battlefield.
 
DC said:
you know, actually i was talking about the police arresting terror suspects in the US or in Germany etc. I was not talking about a freaking battlefield.
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It sounded to me like you were referring to Gitmo etc when you said:
DC said:
how many have been convicted?
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And if al Qaeda strikes in the US, is that not "the battlefield"?
 
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